Ailes 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 3,272 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 36 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 330 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 11, 2012 Birthday: 08/06/1988 Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) Can anyone tell me why the body coloring is found only at the tip of the feathers on the back of this budgie. The feathers seems to be half yellow and half green. Here she a bit older. Edited October 30, 2011 by Ailes Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted October 30, 2011 It is a spangle and this is quite typical in Spangles. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Those spangle markings seem to be showing the pattern of a dominant pied spangle.....so what were the parents ? Link to comment
Ailes 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 3,272 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 36 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 330 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 11, 2012 Birthday: 08/06/1988 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) Those spangle markings seem to be showing the pattern of a dominant pied spangle.....so what were the parents ? okay, the half colored feathers are due to spangle factor. Here are the parents Mother: Normal Cobalt Father: Dark green violet spangle graywing possibly combination of Australian and Dutch dominant pied Edited October 30, 2011 by Ailes Link to comment
splat 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) The second photo of the father looks double factor spangle to me with bad suffusion, that would explain the spangle. and he is probably masking Dom pied too because the baby looks dom pied and spangle like Kaz said. Edited October 30, 2011 by splat Link to comment
Ailes 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 3,272 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 36 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 330 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 11, 2012 Birthday: 08/06/1988 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) The second photo of the father looks double factor spangle to me with bad suffusion, that would explain the spangle. and he is probably masking Dom pied too because the baby looks dom pied and spangle like Kaz said. The pictures are bad, because all the light gray markings wont't show up, also the flash lightens the body color on the back so much that he looks like totally yellow, but he isn't. He cannot be DF spangle, because he has got babies with normal markings, too. However, he is some kind of double factor dominant pied, because all the babies he has had, have been pieds, some similar to Dutch pieds and some to Australian dominant pieds. Edited October 30, 2011 by Ailes Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The important thing to do when asking for id for birds is to NOT USE THE FLASH ON THE CAMERA :D Link to comment
Tariq 0 Posted October 31, 2011 Member ID: 6,955 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 31 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 3, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The father is double factor Spangle masking D Pied as Splat said. If he would have been a DF D pied then the offspring should have not been spangle, since spangle is dominant and birds can not carry them in split form. Link to comment
Ailes 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Member ID: 3,272 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 36 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 330 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 11, 2012 Birthday: 08/06/1988 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) The father is double factor Spangle masking D Pied as Splat said. If he would have been a DF D pied then the offspring should have not been spangle, since spangle is dominant and birds can not carry them in split form. You are saying spangle is dominant over dominant pied? Spangle and dominant pied can't co-exist on double factor form in one bird? That would mean they would locate on the same gene locus and would be allelic to each other, i.e they would be mutations from the same gene. Edited November 1, 2011 by Ailes Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Share Posted November 1, 2011 But he can't be a DF Spangle if he has produced normal babies. From my understanding, a DF Spangle to Normal pairing produces 100% Spangles......doesn't it? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But he can't be a DF Spangle if he has produced normal babies. From my understanding, a DF Spangle to Normal pairing produces 100% Spangles......doesn't it? Yes........also a df spangle will have a blue cere. Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But he can't be a DF Spangle if he has produced normal babies. From my understanding, a DF Spangle to Normal pairing produces 100% Spangles......doesn't it? Yes........also a df spangle will have a blue cere. Good Point! Link to comment
Tariq 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Member ID: 6,955 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 31 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But he can't be a DF Spangle if he has produced normal babies. From my understanding, a DF Spangle to Normal pairing produces 100% Spangles......doesn't it? Yes........also a df spangle will have a blue cere. KAZ - Can we get spangle chicks from DF Dpied to Normal Pairing? Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Are these the only bird possible to be the parents. can we see a picture of the chicks (normal and spangle) kaz - if the pied genr is in the mix couldn't the cere be affected?? Link to comment
Ailes 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Member ID: 3,272 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 36 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 330 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 11, 2012 Birthday: 08/06/1988 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Are these the only bird possible to be the parents. can we see a picture of the chicks (normal and spangle) kaz - if the pied genr is in the mix couldn't the cere be affected?? Yes, these are the only possible parents, since it took some time for them to start breeding in the breeding cage. Here are all the chicks they've got. I think the mother is split to recessive pied, and that makes some of the Dutch pieds more pied. The mother is also split to graywig. If you click the text "Katso kuvia" below pictures, you'll find more pictures. I found a new picture of the father with his son. There you can see the green coloring on the back. Edited November 2, 2011 by Ailes Link to comment
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