Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Seeing as no-one has commented in my questions in my breeding journal, I will just post here. Are these chicks clearwings or dilutes? Very Interesting chick.....very. My only violet birds are the opaline sky cock/clearbody X violet opaline clearbody. So all chick are opaline, and either clearbody or split. This chick is....like a grey bird. With violet. Violet Grey Clearbody....but the wings are almost opaline spangle looking? Or Dilute? I just said it could have only come from my Sky Blue Opaline/Clearbody Cock X Violet Opaline Clearbody Hen BUT I found this chick How am I getting grey violet's? My only other clearbody pair I have down is a light green opaline cock X grey-green violet opaline hen. Edited October 11, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble Link to comment
splat 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) There probably not grey , they are more likely mauve. I think that top photo is more dilute than clear wing because it looks the same colour all over, if it was a clear wing the body colour should be much brighter Edited October 11, 2011 by splat Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) There probably not grey , they are more likely mauve. It is like a violet bird, with a grey wash over them, some feathers violet, some grey. I will try and get a better picture. They are like grey birds - Edited October 11, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble Link to comment
splat 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Still reckon mauve. oops the throats spots look grey. Well you have me bluffed. Edited October 11, 2011 by splat Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Anyone else? Is it possible to have a violet grey bird? If so, who would the parents be? Link to comment
Neville 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Member ID: 4,610 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,640 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 09/12/1940 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The chicks look like dilutes to me. Violet & grey will combine on the same bird Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 12, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 The chicks look like dilutes to me. Violet & grey will combine on the same bird Thanks Neville. Any idea's on the Clearbody looking one? Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted October 12, 2011 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) light green opaline cock X grey-green violet opaline hen do you know if these birds can be split blue? that could give you the grey-violet chicks Edited October 12, 2011 by *Nerwen* Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 12, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 light green opaline cock X grey-green violet opaline hen do you know if these birds can be split blue? that could give you the grey-violet chicks I don't know about the cock, the hen comes from a Violet Opaline Clearbody X Grey-Green Opaline Clearbody. So then hen could be. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted October 13, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Possible to have a dilute with wing markings modified by clearwing if you have both clearwing and dilute in the breeding. I've bred a few myself out of my clearwings. They look for all the world like clearwing dilutes (but of course you can't actually have the two genes visable at the same time). After much discussion and gnashing of teeth it was explained to me that it is actually a dilute (genetically) but has wing modifiers of a clearwing making the wings very very marking free (depending on how good your clearwings are in the first place though). BUT WAIT. Just been looking at the bird again. Is that a single smudgy brownish wing marking I see in the top photo? Can we get some close ups of wings and ANY markings that might be on them as well as tail? I like splat think that the violet grey is acutally a mauve. So patchy a colouring is typical of mauve but not grey and the cheek patches are not a typical grey either. Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted October 13, 2011 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I think your clearwings are dilutes. I am not a clearwing breeder so I could be wrong here, but I am sure that to get a clearwing, you need to put a clearwing to a clearwing. If you put a clearwing to a normal, you get a normal/clearwing. Breeders found out that you could breed a clearwing to a dilute and get clearwings/dilute. If you breed a clearwing/dilute to a clearwing/dilute, 25% of the offspring should be visually dilutes. Now, we know that 25% is the mathematical percentage, however in this nestbox you could have 2 dilutes and 0 clearwing/dilutes. Does that make sense? Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 I don't really mind as much about these dilute/clearwings, it was really the clearbody/opaline look one I was wondering about. Here are some more pictures. Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted October 15, 2011 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted October 15, 2011 You'll probably find they are Dilute Clearbodies. Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted October 17, 2011 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Seeing as no-one has commented in my questions in my breeding journal, I will just post here. Are these chicks clearwings or dilutes? When enlarged does this birds cheek patches look spangle? Very Interesting chick.....very. My only violet birds are the opaline sky cock/clearbody X violet opaline clearbody. So all chick are opaline, and either clearbody or split. This chick is....like a grey bird. With violet. Violet Grey Clearbody....but the wings are almost opaline spangle looking? Or Dilute? I just said it could have only come from my Sky Blue Opaline/Clearbody Cock X Violet Opaline Clearbody Hen BUT I found this chick How am I getting grey violet's? My only other clearbody pair I have down is a light green opaline cock X grey-green violet opaline hen. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted October 17, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 When enlarged does this birds cheek patches look spangle? I will need to check, but I don't think they have any. Also RIP, are all of the birds dilute clearbodies? or just the yellows? Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted December 28, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Does anyone still know what these chicks are? I am really looking into the dilute/clearwings, as I have sold one bird and kept his brother (both were cocks) to use for pet breeding, because I want to get some rainbow's . I have come to the conclusion that the violet is a violet spangle opaline clearbody...no clue were the spangle came from.... now that I think about it though, wouldn't he only have pink feet is he is a cinnamon? And whatever the clearwing thing is, he is spangle as well Link to comment
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