Chidel Auction

[GenericBlue 0]

Well let me say this. I think hobbies are a good thing and I encourage everyone to have at least one past-time.

 

Depending on your financial circumstances you are more or less able to invest in your passion.

 

I have no doubt that if I had the disposable income I would be over at the Hills auction every year and buying up big at this auction too - it is a very rare opportunity to bring in quality stock.

 

But I don't So I just look at the auction pictures instead

 

 

if i had half the money some these breeders do id be starting a new hobbie , id buy a rally car for sure

budgies would just be a on the side passed time

[Super Spangle 0]

The Greywing Went for $2000

One bid and no other challengers.

I really thought this bird would have gone for more.

It was a top class Greywing and most probably one i dont think will be reproduced for years to come.

The Fallows went for around the $1000 to around $1400 mark.

It was nearly $200,000 at the end of the auction.

I wrote down every price that the birds went for to keep tab.

Wouldnt mind to get some of the youngsters these Auction birds produce of someone.

Will give me a chance to get some sort of chidel blood on a cheaper sort of scale.

I guess if i could afford to spend that mony i definatly would have.

[Taboo 0]

Wow they sold for a lot of coin, they were very special birds and of great quality going by the pictures.

I'm just about over this hobby, because if you don't have the money to buy these quality birds your not in the game.

Every auction I go to you will see the top guys getting big dollars for there birds and then purchasing other top breeders bird for $$$$.

It's just a money game period.

[GenericBlue 0]

Wow they sold for a lot of coin, they were very special birds and of great quality going by the pictures.

I'm just about over this hobby, because if you don't have the money to buy these quality birds your not in the game.

Every auction I go to you will see the top guys getting big dollars for there birds and then purchasing other top breeders bird for $$$$.

It's just a money game period.

 

i know its daunting really i feel same at times

bit like now

but i keep reminding myself that

even though my birds are less feather and smaller than most if i keep breeding for my ideal then its not impossible

i got 8th at shields with my albino ..and i payed no one that's in the top ten and i did go up against some the nicest albinos ive seen i didn't think i had a hope getting to top ten but i did

also with the ubc shields lacewing hen 7th i was what ....nooooooooo way ..payed no one their either

so its possible to get to top if you chose your stock right and your pairings are chosen for reasons not just oh their both good as lets wak em together

doesn't matter how much you pay you do need to know what to do and the best place to start it remembering whom has what stock as these people that buy these top price birds usually end up shopping them rather than selling them on if they have had succeeded with breeding them

just other day i went to pet shop picked up a bird from last years auction that was brought for 380.00 i myself could never afford that

but i keep my ears open

i got wind that unfortunately this person had to get out of birds (not their choice ) so down i went to look for a certain cock bird i have the brother of however it was not their i spotted this hen not the best looking thing to be honest if i was to of not remembered this bird was obtained by this person as i went through my list in my head of brought and breed birds by them i would never of even given it a look at but i got the guy to catch it up read me the ring

it was the same bird same number ring and breeder that was sold at auction

today for 35 dollars shes flying in my flight ( well in a cage out back anyhow just a young hen also )

so

its all about going to auctions watching listening and waiting as guarantee every now and then u will hear of such a bird and thats how you can improve your stud at cost price

and never put a age limit on a bird unless it shows signs of being hagged out as some birds are solely moved on as people have what they wanted to achieve

[Dave_McMinn 0]

Wow they sold for a lot of coin, they were very special birds and of great quality going by the pictures.

I'm just about over this hobby, because if you don't have the money to buy these quality birds your not in the game.

Every auction I go to you will see the top guys getting big dollars for there birds and then purchasing other top breeders bird for $$$$.

It's just a money game period.

 

Here's the things - ask yourself what you want from the hobby?

 

I have never put a bird on the bench, not even at my club. Is it because I have poor birds? No. Is it because I will not do it if I cannot win? No. So why not?

 

Honestly, I am not sure that I am interested in chasing the glory that others seek from this hobby.

 

I want to breed the best birds I can. I will never get there, there will always be improvements that one can achieve.

 

Ask Chidel if his birds are perfect and he will tell you no.

 

I agree with you about what you are saying about the big breeders and the best birds, but so what?

 

I get pleasure waking up every morning listening to the birds chirp. Why not have pet budgies then, not show budgies? I like the look of show budgies more, so that is why I have them.

 

It is easy to get disheartened when you look at the negatives, but ask yourself why you have birds? If it is because you love your budgies and you enjoy them, does it matter if the big wigs with cash flash it around?

[fordmob 0]

I don't agree that you have to spend a fortune to breed good birds. Buying non visual well bred stock is the way to go for most of us of meagre means. When you do breed a couple of good ones then you need to utilise them.

 

It's a great challenge to do it this way and as Splat says, very satisfying.

 

They year before I lost all my birds many years ago I placed in 4 shield classes. I was no star but just starting to develop a reasonable stud of birds. At that stage I did not pay over $50 for a bird, and most were $20-30 birds or were older birds that were given to me. I have a heap of kids and we survive on one wage.

 

I have "popped one out" with non visual smallish birds many times. I have also seen it in many other breeding rooms. We don't want people to be discouraged from getting involved in the "hobby" because they can't afford four figure birds. I don't begrudge anyone going out and spending money on good birds, it can certainly be a short-cut to success. You know what they say about how to skin a cat and all.

 

 

EDIT: You don't have to spend a fortune, but there comes a time when you may need to pay for certain features, hopefully by that stage you can fund it with you own sales.

Edited September 18, 2011 by fordmob

[GenericBlue 0]

I don't agree that you have to spend a fortune to breed good birds. Buying non visual well bred stock is the way to go for most of us of meagre means. When you do breed a couple of good ones then you need to utilise them.

 

It's a great challenge to do it this way and as Splat says, very satisfying.

 

They year before I lost all my birds many years ago I placed in 4 shield classes. I was no star but just starting to develop a reasonable stud of birds. At that stage I did not pay over $50 for a bird, and most were $20-30 birds or were older birds that were given to me. I have a heap of kids and we survive on one wage.

 

I have "popped one out" with non visual smallish birds many times. I have also seen it in many other breeding rooms.

 

i agree and to tell the truth some people pass up cheep birds thinking well they must be **** if their cheep

why would they sell them so cheep ?????

i know many a good breeder who will sell their birds for 30.00 or 50 .00 to people whom they know really want to excel however can not afford the costs that maybe they can

so even the deep pocketed breeders have hearts i think if they can afford it and its what they want to do with their money then why not maybe they could do it the cheaper way however ...if its what makes them feel good

go for it

really although its hard to see these people just pull out hundreds for a single bird

it is their dream they are for filling so bless em and i do wish em the best

some of these people sell their good birds or ten of their good birds just to buy one good bird and their pockets are not as deep as it may sometimes seems

 

all i know is that weather you pay big or pay small if your hearts in it

you will achieve what you want

be it one year or 20

just stick with your dream and see it slowly become a reality

i know that many people take this hobby way to serious

but its with all hobby's

i make it more interesting for myself and less overwhelming by choosing a few certain breeders whom i hope to bench better than this gives me a gold and a balance at sticking to my own challenge as these breeders advance i to must to stay up their with them

however most these breeders are now in intermediate so i need to find a new few people whom i can stay challenged with in beginner

i think i may just show at shields though in future as its very hard to get to any shows as i dont drive and birds are not allowed on public transport well v lines anyhow so im sort of stuck getting to any shows

but i still enjoy breeding and hope to be able to work out a way to achieve being able to get to more shows more often in future times

 

just love what you do and who gives a hoot really as to whos got money to spend as in the end how many of these people do you really see winning at top places ???? its still just the same old same old and thees guys need no money to get birds they just exchange them so .... money know money its really whom you know i think

[Taboo 0]

Look I do agree with you all to a point. Yes I enjoy my birds.

I'm happy for those who are content with where they are in the hobby. Thats great

My frustration is more for those people who have been in the hobby for 10 to 20 years

who are struggling on a pension and can not buy in the birds they need to be up there

with those who have the resources to buy good birds, which makes a huge difference.

Yes I'm a realest and know it takes time, skill, and dare I say it money to make to the top.

[PJI 0]

Look I do agree with you all to a point. Yes I enjoy my birds.

I'm happy for those who are content with where they are in the hobby. Thats great

My frustration is more for those people who have been in the hobby for 10 to 20 years

who are struggling on a pension and can not buy in the birds they need to be up there

with those who have the resources to buy good birds, which makes a huge difference.

Yes I'm a realest and know it takes time, skill, and dare I say it money to make to the top.

There are people out there ,like you just described Taboo.Who have won at the Nationals ,who are on the pension and who have never spent a lot on birds.They do exist and will win at the nationals again,simply because of there skill as breeders not there deep pockets.

[setipus 0]

We have been breeding and exhibiting birds since 1984 and until the last 12 months we have never spent what could be called big money on any purchase and i think that we have been reasonably successful on the bench. We were lucky enough to purchase Bobby Smith birds for $100 each, this was before he hit the big time at National level. The trick is to develop your eye for a good bird and watch the birds that are benched..all of the birds not just the winners. You can see who has developed features in depth across all their varieties and you can and will spot who is improving thier birds dramatically. The next trick is to stop trying to buy the finished product. You know the complete show winner and really look at your own birds and be honest with yourself..what feature are your own birds lacking. and where are they strong and when u buy ,buy that feature doesn't matter if its not up tp parr in areas where yours are strong all you are looking for is an improvement where yours are lacking. Build them up it can be done. We did bite the bullet this last year and purchase a couple for $1000 each but we had to sell some really good birds that took years to build up, What we did was to open a seperate bird bank account and every bird we sold that money was banked, the seed gets paid from this account and it took two years but the birds saved enough money to buy a top pair from a top breeder. Remember nothing worth having comes cheap money wise or work wise!!

p.s We are a one income couple and my husband works in a factory as a labourer so no big income here!!

[renee 0]

There are people out there ,like you just described Taboo.Who have won at the Nationals ,who are on the pension and who have never spent a lot on birds.They do exist and will win at the nationals again,simply because of there skill as breeders not there deep pockets.

 

So true. I know of one.

 

And I intend to be one too .... one day - hopefully sooner rather than later

[clearwing 0]

Well my road trip to Sydney is over, so as I had posted on this forum that I would be there, I thought i'd share my thoughts.

Firstly WOW my congratulations to Mark, I have never seen that number of quality birds for sale at one time let alone all from one breeder.

Secondly, I believe Budgerigars in Sydney make more money than Budgerigars in Victoria. It was interesting to me that the auctioneer set the tone of the day when he opened the bidding on lot one at $500, in Victoria we often open the bidding at $20 or $100 for a better bird.

Thirdly it appeared that syndicates had been formed by states or clubs to buy Marks birds.

As for myself, did I buy any birds?

I like many of you have never had a lot of money to invest in Budgerigars, but I love this hobby and over my fifty years of breeding I have had a fair share of success. I give my birds away in an effort to increase membership at our local club, having given away over one hundred birds this year.

I decided [with my wife's approval] to make an investment that would hopefully take my birds to the next level. But as I sat in the auction room and bird after bird raced to prices I was not prepared to pay, I made an agreement with my mate, that we would buy a bird each, he would buy a hen, I would buy a cock. We decided which of Mark's families we wanted and bought a suitable pair, we will now breed with this pair and hopefully in 12 months have 20 Chidel birds between us.

This is a great hobby full of wonderful people, one of our club members came with us on the trip to Sydney just to help with the driving, he is a new begginer with a young family, he had no intention of buying anything, but was a great help. You can be assured his kindness will be remembered.

PLEASE people stop winging about what others have and enjoy YOUR birds and this great hobby.

Cheers Clearwing

[splat 0]

Dave I believe you need to bench your birds to see where you are at, a judge told me that, I don't believe it is chasing the glory.I believe it is to see where you have progressed and where and what you need to improve.

[fordmob 0]

Look I do agree with you all to a point. Yes I enjoy my birds.

I'm happy for those who are content with where they are in the hobby. Thats great

My frustration is more for those people who have been in the hobby for 10 to 20 years

who are struggling on a pension and can not buy in the birds they need to be up there

with those who have the resources to buy good birds, which makes a huge difference.

Yes I'm a realest and know it takes time, skill, and dare I say it money to make to the top.

There are people out there ,like you just described Taboo.Who have won at the Nationals ,who are on the pension and who have never spent a lot on birds.They do exist and will win at the nationals again,simply because of there skill as breeders not there deep pockets.

 

I agree PJI. And if I had the disposable income available then I would buy those great birds too. One day I might have the money there, but in the meantime I need to use my noggin. Jealousy can be a bit of a curse in the hobby, as clearwing says, I reckon you should enjoy what you can do with what you have.

Edited September 18, 2011 by fordmob

[Matt Welchman 0]

I think some people need to take check about what this auction was. That is a National breeders 20 years of experience all at one sale . Doesnt happen often.

So to say you need to match prices or think its to expensive , you are in the wrong place . The breeders that I saw buying were the Top breeders in the country and they were buying more than one bird.

The Auctioneer was Stuart Williams, the Best in the business if you want Top dollar for your birds, He will sell the bird.

 

I started breeding in 2000, I got birds given to me from an old friend from when I was a junior breeder.

I bred the birds , got some more off club members as I went , I didnt spend more than $50.

Marks birds were the birds I looked up to , I photo copied a page off the Hills web site of his winning birds to aspire to.

So in 2009 after breeding and inbreeding, I bred a Yellowface Cock, This bird was the best bird I had ever bred .

I showed the Bird at the Hills Annual in 2010 and took out Champion Novice, The bird then went on to Beat Marks Yellowface blue and was Best Yellowface at the Hills Annual 2010.

This was my most memerable moment to date with the birds.

So you dont need a bottomless wallet , you need time and patience.

I say well done to Mark and his family, Im sure he will be back at some point in the future.

Happy Breeding to all those that bought birds.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Matt Welchman

[splat 0]

That 's what I am trying to say, you can breed some top birds from breeders culls if you have a bit of Know how and and eye for the bird.

I will be breeding from other breeders cull now and in the future. In my eyes birds at auctions are so expensive but as you said Marks birds are stunners and if he was still in the hobby no one would of got those birds.I would of loved to have gone and seen all those quality birds in the one place up for grabs.

But I still have to say in my situation if I had the money I would still buy a new car and then I would spend heaps on birds if I was able to but boy I would have tell Greg I paid $50.00 for a bird I spent a fortune on. lol.

I went to an auction a couple of months ago with Clearwing and had a lot of fun and spent $300 on 3 birds and told Greg I spent $100 on the 3 lol. But i was very happy with one of my purchases which cost the most.

[**KAZ** 0]

Talking about struggling on a pension. There's a pensioner in our clubs over here........deaf as a post, gotta say everything to him ten times before he gets it ....bids on birds and bids against himself and doesnt know where he's at bidding at auctions unless someone helps him, but he spends sh*tloads on birds....pensioner and all.

People will and do find the money for things they really want.......even if buying that special budgie means living on weetbix for 6 months LOL

Edited September 18, 2011 by **KAZ**

[fordmob 0]

 

People will and do find the money for things they really want.......even if buying that special budgie means living on weetbix for 6 months LOL

 

Yeah but in my marriage you have the "whatever you spend I spend rule" which sucks. You end up spending double the purchase price.

[splat 0]

[TAZ DEVIL 0]

KAZ whats wrong with us pensioners and weetbix taste better than dog/cat food LOL TAZ D

[renee 0]

Talking about struggling on a pension. There's a pensioner in our clubs over here........deaf as a post, gotta say everything to him ten times before he gets it ....bids on birds and bids against himself and doesnt know where he's at bidding at auctions unless someone helps him, but he spends sh*tloads on birds....pensioner and all.

LOL

 

Not quite Kaz. He would be the only pensioner I know who has a weekly cleaner ...

[splat 0]

He probably has a good super he is living off

[Taboo 0]

People will and do find the money for things they really want.......even if buying that special budgie means living on weetbix for 6 months LOL

 

Yeah but in my marriage you have the "whatever you spend I spend rule" which sucks. You end up spending double the purchase price.

 

I know how you feel lol.......................my wife just isn't into budgies at all

[Super Spangle 0]

You dont need to spend big money.

With all things it takes time to do things right,

What was your first car?

I know a breeder who is a national champion and they have never spent over $200 on a bird and basically never bring many birds in at all.

So i am sure that it is possible.

Anything is possible.

If you do something over a consistent period of time you will get results.

[splat 0]

That's the key, it is building a family, I think many of us loose sight of that including myself.

It all takes time, I am starting to see results in my breeding this year. It is a pity that I have lost

over 70 chicks though because I will never know what I had bred, some of these chicks are form my yellow Df spangle

and white df spangle and it has being so dishearting. The yellow Df spangle is 07 and he filled and hatched over 2 rounds of chicks with his daughter and I had high hopes for these chicks but all dead. He also filled and hatched chicks with a niece all dead.

The white df has one chick alive out of several from a daughter and half sister.

But what I am saying is what has survived is looking really good.

I have never spent a lot on birds. I know one day I will need to to bring in a feature. I did spend $160 on a cock a little while ago for a certain feature.

But then also I am very lucky because I have a mentor how looks after me very very very well. Geoff's great help with giving and loaning me birds when needed and helping me pair etc.