Ellie 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 6,367 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 230 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2012 Birthday: 02/05/1991 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Hi anyone :-) This is my budgie, Butters. It is between four and five years old. Butters' cere has never given me or the previous owner a clear indication of it's sex. Can someone please help me? Thank you :-) Ellie P.S: Butter's lived alone with a female for at least four years and they never became close (limited preening & no kissing). Also, can someone please tell me what he/she is (pied, albino etc)? Links to larger photos: http://img59.imagesh...201170212pm.jpg http://img51.imagesh...201170551pm.jpg Edited August 31, 2011 by Ellie Link to comment
dillster 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 6,849 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 33 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,815 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 27, 2017 Birthday: 05/05/1999 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) girl i think thats all i can giv you Edited August 31, 2011 by dillster Link to comment
fordmob 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 6,842 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,355 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/07/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 26, 2013 Birthday: 01/05/1972 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sorry Dillster but he is definitely a recessive pied cock bird. A recessive pied cock birds cere doesn't turn blue like your other varieties, neither do the albinos, lutinos, lacewings and fallows. They stay a pink fleshy colour. The hens cere acts like other varitieties. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Sorry Dillster but he is definitely a recessive pied cock bird. A recessive pied cock birds cere doesn't turn blue like your other varieties, neither do the albinos, lutinos, lacewings and fallows. They stay a pink fleshy colour. The hens cere acts like other varitieties. Sorry Fordmob but you are incorrect. The bird has iris rings and no recessive pied has iris rings. It is a male though..........either lightly marked dominant pied or a df dominant pied but not recessive. girl i think thats all i can giv you Girl ? NOPE........boy Edited August 31, 2011 by **KAZ** Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted August 31, 2011 yep kaz is corect im going df dom pied light green cock im even going to go as far as calling opaline Link to comment
Ellie 0 Posted August 31, 2011 Member ID: 6,367 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 230 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2012 Birthday: 02/05/1991 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks for the feedback guys. :-x I'm so happy! ^-^ I have two males to four females now which is alot better than one male to five females! I don't think I'll ever get the hang of this genetics thing. I've been doing my research and feel none the wiser! *derp* Link to comment
fordmob 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 6,842 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,355 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/07/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 26, 2013 Birthday: 01/05/1972 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hey Ellie can you get another close up macro photo of it's eye. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Both eyes .................the right eye has an iris ring. If the bird is df dom pied the other eye may not have an iris ring....its common in DF dom pieds for one eye to have an iris ring and the other not. The photo you already put up shows an iris ring in the right eye, which means NOT recessive pied. ( Not convinced Fordmob ?? ) Link to comment
fordmob 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 6,842 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,355 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/07/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 26, 2013 Birthday: 01/05/1972 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Both eyes .................the right eye has an iris ring. If the bird is df dom pied the other eye may not have an iris ring....its common in DF dom pieds for one eye to have an iris ring and the other not. The photo you already put up shows an iris ring in the right eye, which means NOT recessive pied. ( Not convinced Fordmob ?? ) I had a reply typed where I had conceded that I had a boy look, but I just want to make sure that it is an Iris ring before I concede. The photo is a little out of focus at the eye and the eye looks like it is turned in the eye socket which may give the appearance of an iris ring. The colour in the eye looks too far toward the edge of the eye to be an iris ring. Then again it could just be an iris ring in which case I will post a photo of myself with a dunce hat on. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I have a dom pied cock here and his cere is nearly always pinkish, it never seems to turn blue. But he is totally fertile and he has won best adult in Interemediate this year with his pinky type cere. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 1, 2011 :D Link to comment
splat 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted September 1, 2011 It was funny because I thought they would of said he was out of condition but it must be normal. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 1, 2011 It is, I believe what RIP calls being "pied out" the differences in ceres and iris rings in eyes, and markings on wings Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Said it in one Kaz. Splat the pied or mottled markings on the pied can also affect the cere so if you imagine a cere with pigment removed by the pied gene you have the pink/purple cere - can occur in patches too so some of the cere can be blue whilst parts of it (that bear the pied markings) remain pink.Even on this bird there is a tiny bit of blue in the centre of the cere the rest of it is pied out. Edited September 1, 2011 by nubbly5 Link to comment
splat 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted September 1, 2011 That's is exactly what he is like, he some times has a little bit of blue but mostly the pinky purple colour. Link to comment
Ellie 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 6,367 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 230 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2012 Birthday: 02/05/1991 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 I guess I could try and take some photo's of his eyes. Butters isn't very tame but I'll do my best! Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Both eyes .................the right eye has an iris ring. If the bird is df dom pied the other eye may not have an iris ring....its common in DF dom pieds for one eye to have an iris ring and the other not. The photo you already put up shows an iris ring in the right eye, which means NOT recessive pied. ( Not convinced Fordmob ?? ) I had a reply typed where I had conceded that I had a boy look, but I just want to make sure that it is an Iris ring before I concede. The photo is a little out of focus at the eye and the eye looks like it is turned in the eye socket which may give the appearance of an iris ring. The colour in the eye looks too far toward the edge of the eye to be an iris ring. Then again it could just be an iris ring in which case I will post a photo of myself with a dunce hat on. In Fordmob's defence, I also thought that to me, the iris ring in that photo looked more like a thick eye lid. Maybe I will be wearing a dunce hat, too. Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Both eyes .................the right eye has an iris ring. If the bird is df dom pied the other eye may not have an iris ring....its common in DF dom pieds for one eye to have an iris ring and the other not. The photo you already put up shows an iris ring in the right eye, which means NOT recessive pied. ( Not convinced Fordmob ?? ) I had a reply typed where I had conceded that I had a boy look, but I just want to make sure that it is an Iris ring before I concede. The photo is a little out of focus at the eye and the eye looks like it is turned in the eye socket which may give the appearance of an iris ring. The colour in the eye looks too far toward the edge of the eye to be an iris ring. Then again it could just be an iris ring in which case I will post a photo of myself with a dunce hat on. In Fordmob's defence, I also thought that to me, the iris ring in that photo looked more like a thick eye lid. Maybe I will be wearing a dunce hat, too. Hats for everybody - :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted September 2, 2011 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted September 2, 2011 well im always happy to wear a hat if it fits so but i do agree with kaz it looks very much like and iris ring although he does look more like a rec than a df dom except that he has alot of striping down back of head to me confirms the df dom deal pics of him from back would be cool as well as i could see if he is in fact also Opaline Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted September 3, 2011 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted September 3, 2011 it is clearly an iris ring and not part of the skin around the eye. Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted September 3, 2011 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted September 3, 2011 it is clearly an iris ring and not part of the skin around the eye. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 4, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Shall we order those hats yet ? Link to comment
fordmob 0 Posted September 4, 2011 Member ID: 6,842 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,355 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/07/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 26, 2013 Birthday: 01/05/1972 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Shall we order those hats yet ? I think I'm a size 57 in hats. Link to comment
Ellie 0 Posted February 1, 2012 Member ID: 6,367 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 230 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2012 Birthday: 02/05/1991 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 sorry guys. i completely forgot to take those photo's & can't do it now as my boyfriend accidentally let butters out when he was entering the aviary! men -.- haha Link to comment
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