June 17, 201113 yr I agree with Splat......hen is usually the case as its a sex linked gene, but could be a male if both parents were opaline or Mum opaline and Dad slit for opaline. So a front of clear cere shot and we can tell you what sex for sure
June 17, 201113 yr Kaz is right, I was only guessing, I actually bred a yellow face cobalt opaline cock last year.
June 18, 201113 yr actually looks grey now, and yellow face. what are the parents. could be mauve . Has the violet throat spot. Edited June 18, 201113 yr by splat
June 18, 201113 yr I was thinking the same thing, Splat. It's interesting how different it looks in the different lighting. The lighting in the second set of photos looks more natural. Â But now the bright lighting makes the cere look like it might be more washed out in the photo than in real life. I think if I had this chick at my house, I would be guessing about the gender up until the last minute, and then it would turn out to the opposite of my guessing.
June 20, 201113 yr Why do you say golden face Dean. I am asking because I do not know much about the golden face, I know Gb does. But i still reckon yellow face mauve because the yellow is not golden to me it is pale like a yellow face, does that make sense.
June 20, 201113 yr I have a T2 Goldenface and he is much more goldy yellow than this one.... see below... I wouldn't have said this baby was goldface, but then I am really new at this too! Â
June 20, 201113 yr Here's some other pics, hopefully a bit clearer.    in these pics i think this bird looks like a type two yf opaline as far as colour goes really cant tell im not even going to guess as the lighting is not right need chick to be perching if its indeed a mauve then its a violet move if could be a cobalt though in bad light or a plain violet for that matter really need to see whole bird but as splat said its not got enough suffusion over body to be golden face unless df form what are the Peronts i dont know why people dont give the details of birds peronts if known it helps so as we can truly make a decisive decision genetics can cull out coulors and sex issues really fast giving you truth a lot more reliable than assumptions i honestly unless it was in front of me could not rule out golden face as chick is flat on its belly one the main areas to decipher a golden face from a normal type two but given the first picture was taken in a florescent light and chick looked golden face violet their im going to say cobalt type two as splat originally stated  but more pictures and natural sun light may change my opinion and some history of its heritage also could affect my decision so really what im saying is your back at square one in my eyes better pics of whole bird in normal day light sitting on perch would help a whole lot  I have a T2 Goldenface and he is much more goldy yellow than this one.... see below... I wouldn't have said this baby was goldface, but then I am really new at this too!  [/quote are you able to get photo under wizz bangs wing as im thinking hes a single factor golden face not a df like you say but the lighting their two looks like a flash was used so .... need to see under wing to confirm Edited June 20, 201113 yr by GenericBlue
June 20, 201113 yr Yes, the flash has made him much much lighter and greener than he is. Is very very dark blue around the lower belly and rump, and the green on his chest is actually a whole lot darker too. He's my favourite boy, such a devil and very playful and friendly.
June 20, 201113 yr  Seems I am a little bit experienced in photograghy, having my certificate 1 and 2. I would say that this photo colour is wrong, a persons hand is not that colour , so by the time you fix colour of the hand the birds colour would come back to too and it would be more like the second lot of photos. The bird would be a mauve and the face would be more yellow (lemon colour) so to me I would think it is a yellow face 2 which would explain the colour running through the wings.
June 20, 201113 yr  Seems I am a little bit experienced in photograghy, having my certificate 1 and 2. I would say that this photo colour is wrong, a persons hand is not that colour , so by the time you fix colour of the hand the birds colour would come back to too and it would be more like the second lot of photos. The bird would be a mauve and the face would be more yellow (lemon colour) so to me I would think it is a yellow face 2 which would explain the colour running through the wings. im just having trouble with the cheek patch colors as to classing it mauve thats all splat i two think its tpye two yf but not sure on it being mauve still could be just cobalt looks mauve i do agree in second picture however they are useing wrong light in all pics acounts  and as for wizz bang he looks sky blue not cobalt in that picture and still looking single factor goldenface too me but again with the flash cant actually tell so will take you word on it
June 20, 201113 yr I know what you are saying Gb, because in the first post he looks cobalt, in one of the photos but the one one in the first post looks vary grey too. We know for sure that he is not grey because of the cheek patches. The best thing to do is take a photo of him with out flash in natural light. And like GB said what are the parents as that would help heaps.
June 20, 201113 yr okay after looking at sunshine's dads profile picture im guessing mum is a mauve golden face in df form so that means that this chick has to be a mauve golden face single factor chick as looks like if dad is also in the picture hes a sky spangle so the chicks a hen in that case but it is also again really a fact of photos being done in corect lighting so i suggest untill we find out what mum n dad actually are we all stop guessing cause theirs a diffrence between agf and yf 2 so we need to really find out more before we call it
June 20, 201113 yr okay after looking at sunshine's dads profile picture im guessing mum is a mauve golden face in df form so that means that this chick has to be a mauve golden face single factor chick as looks like if dad is also in the picture hes a sky spangle so the chicks a hen in that case but it is also again really a fact of photos being done in corect lighting so i suggest untill we find out what mum n dad actually are we all stop guessing cause theirs a diffrence between agf and yf 2 so we need to really find out more before we call it  GB, am very interested to learn. Why does the dad being a sky spangle mean it's a hen? And why single or double factor. I'm still a bit confused on the factor biz.
June 20, 201113 yr Gb do mean that little one on the right hand side, avatar or something, isn't that a bar head.
June 20, 201113 yr Gb do mean that little one on the right hand side, avatar or something, isn't that a bar head. Â Â no hun i mean if you go to veiw his profile
June 20, 201113 yr okay after looking at sunshine's dads profile picture im guessing mum is a mauve golden face in df form so that means that this chick has to be a mauve golden face single factor chick as looks like if dad is also in the picture hes a sky spangle so the chicks a hen in that case but it is also again really a fact of photos being done in corect lighting so i suggest untill we find out what mum n dad actually are we all stop guessing cause theirs a diffrence between agf and yf 2 so we need to really find out more before we call it  GB, am very interested to learn. Why does the dad being a sky spangle mean it's a hen? And why single or double factor. I'm still a bit confused on the factor biz.  Moglet, sometimes GB's fingers type out differently than she means to say things. I'm pretty sure she meant that the chick has to be a hen because the mother is not opaline. Opaline is sex-linked, and the father might be split to opaline, and then it would show up in a daughter. And I think she meant that the chick can't be mauve, because if the dad is sky blue, he has no dark factor to give the chick. (But when GB comes back, she can tell us what she really meant. )  You wouldn't be the only one confused about the yellowface and golden face genes, LOL! They are basically yellow-removing genes. So a goldenface has a really dark yellow face, and some yellow in the body, but when it is in double factor form, more yellow is removed from the body, so you mostly only see the golden face still, and that might be a lighter yellow.  We need Sunshine's Dad to come back and tell us more info!
June 21, 201113 yr okay after looking at sunshine's dads profile picture im guessing mum is a mauve golden face in df form so that means that this chick has to be a mauve golden face single factor chick as looks like if dad is also in the picture hes a sky spangle so the chicks a hen in that case but it is also again really a fact of photos being done in corect lighting so i suggest untill we find out what mum n dad actually are we all stop guessing cause theirs a diffrence between agf and yf 2 so we need to really find out more before we call it  GB, am very interested to learn. Why does the dad being a sky spangle mean it's a hen? And why single or double factor. I'm still a bit confused on the factor biz.  Moglet, sometimes GB's fingers type out differently than she means to say things. I'm pretty sure she meant that the chick has to be a hen because the mother is not opaline. Opaline is sex-linked, and the father might be split to opaline, and then it would show up in a daughter. And I think she meant that the chick can't be mauve, because if the dad is sky blue, he has no dark factor to give the chick. (But when GB comes back, she can tell us what she really meant. )  You wouldn't be the only one confused about the yellowface and golden face genes, LOL! They are basically yellow-removing genes. So a goldenface has a really dark yellow face, and some yellow in the body, but when it is in double factor form, more yellow is removed from the body, so you mostly only see the golden face still, and that might be a lighter yellow.  We need Sunshine's Dad to come back and tell us more info! sometimes GB's fingers type out differently than she means to say things.  this is the kindest way ive ever been told im missing major peaices of info lol also got me to read back my words ... your learning to read me very well finne   yes as a sexed linked gene the chick can only be Opaline hen if mother is not visually Opaline its the best way for beginners to start out so they can learn to recognize sexes in nest from young age i my self learn t this very way by buying all visually normal hens to start no sex linked ones their for i knew anything that popped out special was indeed a hen eg Opaline , cinnamon , albino ,clear-body ,lute ,so one  i then would wright my guesses of the other nest mates from very young age and compaire what i got right n wrong took me few years but i got their im very rearly wrong now with sexing inperson though  i dont remember saying that chick couldn't be mauve but your right dad being sky blue would mean that one ddf and one light you wouldn't get mauve heres a sheet with it all in simplistic words by brett some one (doran) Dark Factors  By Brett Doran  One of the reasons budgerigars are so popular both as pets and as exhibition birds is the range of varieties and colours that are available. In this article I will concentrate on colour rather than variety, as colour production is consistent irrespective of variety.  In both green and blue series there are three basic colours as follows:  Light Green   Skyblue  Dark Green   Cobalt  Olive Green   Mauve  We also have two modifier genes, which aren't colours in themselves, but as the name implies they modify or change the base colour. These modifiers are Grey and Violet. We will deal with these modifying genes in a future article, while in this article we will confine ourselves to the basic colours. As you can see in both green and blue series birds there are three shades of colour. The presence or absence of what we call "Dark Factor genes" produces these shades. The arrangement of dark factor genes is as follows and is expressed by the use of "d" or "D". No dark factor dd Light Green Skyblue One dark factor dD Dark Green Cobalt Two dark factors DD Olive Green Mauve  As can be seen above, genes are always grouped in pairs, with one gene passed on by each parent. Lets look at some pairings using dark factors.  Before we start I will be using what are referred to as "Punnet Squares" to demonstrate each pairing. In the examples I will be using it doesn't matter which gene pair, horizontal or vertical represents the cock or hen. Percentage results are based on results over many nests and may vary for individual nests except of course where the expectation is 100%.  Lets start with a simple pairing such as Light Green (Skyblue) x Light Green (Skyblue). As can be seen from the above list Light Greens (Skyblues) possess no dark factor ie "dd". d d d d d dd dd d dd dd d dd dd d dd dd  100% "dd" no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue).  As can be seen the resulting progeny are all no dark factor birds, therefore all Light Green (Skyblue).  Now lets pair Light Green (Skyblue) x Dark Green (Cobalt). d d d d d dd dd d dd dd D dD dD D dD dD  50% " dd " no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue).  50% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt).  As can be seen 50% carry no dark factor (Light Green or Skyblue) and 50% carry one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt).  Our next pairing is Dark Green (Cobalt) x Dark Green (Cobalt). d D d D d dd dD d dd dD D dD DD D dD DD  25% "dd " no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue).  50% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt).  25% " DD " two dark factors ( Olive Green or Mauve).  This pairing produces an unexpected result to the inexperienced breeder who would assume that pairing two Dark Greens (Cobalts) would result in all the progeny being Dark Green (Cobalt). As can be seen from the above result this pairing in fact produces birds in all three shades of green (blue).  For our final pairing involving two green series birds we will pair Light Green (Skyblue) x Olive Green (Mauve). d d d d D dD dD D dD dD D dD dD D dD dD  100% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt).  Hopefully you are getting the hang of this genetics stuff by now. Was this the result you expected? Once you understand the basic methodology of the punnet squares it all falls into place quite readily.  Lets pair a Light Green x Cobalt to prove that the dark factor theory holds true even when pairing green to blue.  Now that you possess this basic understanding of Dark Factor Genetics you will be able to pair whatever varieties you like and be able to work out the basic colour expectations for that pairing whether it be Normals, Dominant Pieds, Clearwings, Opalines or Cinnamons etc. As mentioned earlier we will look at the modifier genes Grey and Violet and their effect on the basic colours in a future article. Until then may all your eggs be full and your chicks Champions.   if the mothers mauve and dad sky blue but both holding violet genetics the chick could come out cobalt violet looking mauve in bad light   really do need sunshine's dad for more info Edited June 21, 201113 yr by GenericBlue
June 21, 201113 yr Sheesh, I need a bex and a good lie down. I'm going to print that out and absorb it several times. Thank you!
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