Thank you Jeff and Nubbly, they are good comments and information. All I have to do now is the hardest thing, breed birds that get picked for the Nationals, won't happen this year or next, I have no bird for the Shield this weekend, they are still moulting, pin feathers and blood on heads etc.

Good luck for all those that get their birds to the Nationals this year. BUT

 

Go Victoria

 

Although I understand where Kaz is coming from I think it comes down to risk versus effort and as nubbly has pointed out the current risk is generally considered too low to derive measured benefits from the implementation of a quarantine facility.

 

Splat, I have 3 birds going to our club pre-selection tonight. The SQ selection is on Sunday. Will possibly get a Lacewing in the club team by default but like you I won't have to worry about booking a birdie ticket to Canberra.

Finally, splat I'm concerned your post above may have been virus affected because it has a huge "Go Victoria" text at the end!!!!!!!

 

Finally, splat I'm concerned your post above may have been virus affected because it has a huge "Go Victoria" text at the end!!!!!!!

 

 

:D

Finally, splat I'm concerned your post above may have been virus affected because it has a huge "Go Victoria" text at the end!!!!!!!

Good luck with your Lacewing Daryl

Edited May 17, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

Thankyou to Daryl, Nubbly, Jeff and Chookbreeder for good info supplied so far in this Topic

 

 

PS how does everyone feel the thicker perches are working out, or not ?

this is the problem with forums, you read things in a 2 dimensional world.. if you were all talking in person you can get each others context

well i feel better about it all now i must say nubbly 5 you put it well and hearing others imput that have been their n done it helps

 

and well i had a change of heart

i took some birds to club selection

and got three in so

nothing to write home about but i will say that my birds weren't just gap fillers as was quiet a few in the selected classes

which makes me feel better - but not expecting to come close to the top 15 birds its big competition out their on the day and i feel this years going to be best birds for a while all over the state breeders have been improving in Victoria so clubs will all have some great birds in i feel

 

good luck all of you all over Australia

 

Go Victoria

 

**** i seem to have splats virus hee hee

Finally, splat I'm concerned your post above may have been virus affected because it has a huge "Go Victoria" text at the end!!!!!!!

Good luck with your Lacewing Daryl

 

NO NO POX on your Lacewing Daryl!!!!! Just jokes! The very best of luck with it.

 

And that IS a nasty virus a few people have there...... yes it is.......

 

Not sure that I'm a fan of the bigger perches Kaz. Some noises through the ANBC that the decision was taken too quickly. Not sure about that as the decision had to be made either way but I guess the question is now (that everyone has spent $ adapting cages) if the perch size should be returned to the original size.

Edited May 18, 201113 yr by nubbly5

 

i took some birds to club selection

and got three in so

 

 

 

Well done

thank you kaz

All the best for Sunday GB, I won't be there. I hope you do well.

well im not expecting anything but maybe to help my club out a bit doubt i got a nat contender in my bunch

in a few years im hoping to though

Nubbly, quick question about the perch sizes, what size difference did they go to?

 

Also are the nationals just for open breeders? or is there different categories eg novice/inter/open that are competed in?

All the best for Sunday GB, I won't be there. I hope you do well.

 

Gb just getting in the top 20 is doing good, that is what I have been told, the top 10 is even better. good luck.

 

Nubbly, quick question about the perch sizes, what size difference did they go to?

 

Also are the nationals just for open breeders? or is there different categories eg novice/inter/open that are competed in?

 

They are now 16mm perch, but there is talk of changing it back. who knows.

 

When it comes to the Nationals all states have some kind of selection, like Victoria has it's young bird shield, all comes select the best of all there members, only 3 birds of each variety go to the shield.

Everyone is treated equally, like beginners and Intermediates are up against open and Champion breeders. There is NO section for each class. The same goes when they get to the Nationals. Beginners can have birds selected and can do alright at the Nationals if they had bred that winning bird.

I actually enjoy the shields.

I as a beginner until this year, I won a shield 2 years ago with my violet but he never went to the Nationals as there is no class for violets there yet.

The same year my white DF spangle came 3rd and he got on the reserve team but he didn't go. But still it was a Privilege

to be on the team as a beginner.

I HOPE THIS EXPLAINS IT A BIT.

Nubbly, quick question about the perch sizes, what size difference did they go to?

 

Also are the nationals just for open breeders? or is there different categories eg novice/inter/open that are competed in?

 

Sorry Rmm I couldn't remember but Splat's onto it.

 

Also to be eligible for the Nationals you must be a member of a club that is affiliated with the ANBC (via their state body) and each bird must be owner bred and carry the current years specially coded leg ring.

The Nats are a unique competition in the world. It is basically a competition to find THE BEST bird in the country for that year in each recognised variety. As Splat said, there is no distinction between Nov,Int etc etc. Just the birds. Makes it sweeter as a Novice when you get birds selected.

Edited May 19, 201113 yr by nubbly5

I have in the past entered the National Show, mostly with the rarer varieties of course. Only one year we (was partnered back then) did not send birds as there was an outbreak of Newcastle Diesease (from memory) and we just didn't want to take the chance. That was our decision. Of the times birds have gone they travelled well and came back healthy and all bred.

 

I would have had a couple of Clearwings this year to go but not being able to join a club at the time I had to get my rings direct from the manufacturer and so they are ineligable to go.

 

Nubbly your post was well put and I totally agree that pretty much all that can be done is done to minimise risk. Showing of any livestock has its risks as soon as that livestock leaves the property.

 

Perch sizes. From what I understand there was no real data put forth as to why larger perches were needed. The birds are bigger, are they really? Well in a way they are but a lot is feather. Skeletally how much change is there in the budgie. I dare say over the past 100+ years of domestication with the at least the last 50 - 70 years being for size we would have without a doubt increased the skeleton of the bird, but has it changed sufficiently to decrease the birds ability to perch correctly. Personally I would love to see the return to the smaller perch.

Finally, splat I'm concerned your post above may have been virus affected because it has a huge "Go Victoria" text at the end!!!!!!!

Good luck with your Lacewing Daryl

 

NO NO POX on your Lacewing Daryl!!!!! Just jokes! The very best of luck with it.

 

And that IS a nasty virus a few people have there...... yes it is.......

 

Not sure that I'm a fan of the bigger perches Kaz. Some noises through the ANBC that the decision was taken too quickly. Not sure about that as the decision had to be made either way but I guess the question is now (that everyone has spent $ adapting cages) if the perch size should be returned to the original size.

 

Thaks Julie and nubbly. As expected the Lacewing hen made the club team by default. I'm looking forward to showing her purple rung brother next year as he's not too bad but the hen is just a bird. I also got a Spangle in who is not too bad, and if he doesn't muck up too much he might finish in the top half of the class which I'd be rapt with.

 

WRT $ spent on the new perches I think even if it proves to be not such a good decision then the $ factor and the need to save face will keep the 16mm perches with us. I have no opinion on them yet as I still have the 12mm perches.

16mm perches are a joke. They appear to do the opposite to what they were intended - i.e. help those birds that have a tendency to throw their back toe(s) forward. From what I can see, birds that tend to do this seem to do it more in cages with the 16mm perches. Bring back 12mm perches. I am pleased I haven't changed my perches yet.

More ill thought out "change for change sake" from the ANBC. Let's hope there are no more "brilliant ideas" coming out of the next meeting at Canberra.

 

Cheers

 

PT

Have been following this thread although I have no idea about showing budgies, I do have a question.

 

If a new perch size was brought in, why are you not made to have that perch size? I've noticed a few people say they are glad they haven't changed theirs yet. Were you given a period of time in which to make the changes by? I just remember reading about all the guidelines and if you don't have the proper cage you can't show... thought that may be the same with the perches. Purely curious. Thanks.

There is a time limit set, for when the perches have to be changed

& I just can't think when it is & as PT said, most have not changed yet,

They are hoping it will be rescinded & they will not have to do it.

Yes we have a time line to change over, I think we are meant to have them for the shield or after can't remember but I am sure they are using them for the nationals this year.

I haven't changed mine yet but I won 3 new cages with the 16mm perches this year.

i hope its not for the shields as i haven't got them so would be straight disqualification would it not ????

i hope its not for the shields as i haven't got them so would be straight disqualification would it not ????

 

 

No change yet and by the sound of things there may never be a change.

 

As long as your showcage conforms to the current standard you will be fine.

Edited May 20, 201113 yr by chookbreeder9

Ahhh... makes sense. Thanks for that.

i hope its not for the shields as i haven't got them so would be straight disqualification would it not ????

 

 

No change yet and by the sound of things there may never be a change.

 

As long as your showcage conforms to the current standard you will be fine.

 

 

 

thanks pt im sure my show cages do not sure about the birds though but must be better than i think to be even selected so ill just see wont i

i doubt ill get a bird in the top 20 but if i do even that id be very happy with them

16mm perches are a joke. They appear to do the opposite to what they were intended - i.e. help those birds that have a tendency to throw their back toe(s) forward. From what I can see, birds that tend to do this seem to do it more in cages with the 16mm perches. Bring back 12mm perches. I am pleased I haven't changed my perches yet.

More ill thought out "change for change sake" from the ANBC. Let's hope there are no more "brilliant ideas" coming out of the next meeting at Canberra.

 

Cheers

 

PT

 

 

Before the 16 mm perches came in and when I was building my aviary at the house we just sold, I made most of the perches in the aviary 16mm dowell. One thing I noticed was the birds did have a tendency to use them in a platform like fashion. They had a tendency to mostly perch three toes forward and not the two toes forward and two back. Luckily I also had varying perches sizes within the aviary in other places.