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[Maddy 0]

I have to agree with Maesie.

 

 

A tank doesn't sound like a good idea, it seems to me that it would have no ventilation in there.

And like Maesie said, if he gets too hot he won't be able to escape it.

 

Just get a flat top cage, covered 3 sides and a heat lamp on top to one side.

Lots of perches too so he doesn't have to move much.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Just wanted to inform everyone that after a long day of visiting and chatting to numerous breeders, someone will came around and euthanise the bird tommorrow afternoon, if he has not passed by then. I will keep him in a show cage until then. I have also set up all of my medication for the future, and restocked in various things. I will be using coccivet for coccidiosis , s76 for worms and scaly, vetafarm spark for emergencies and solivite d for breeding birds. This plus the bird bread, and getting red pannicum, charcoal and grit will be the birds diet (plus soft food and veggies)

[GenericBlue 0]

may i ask why your going to take his life

if you have treatment now you should treat him

but your bird and im sure you were told good advice and the reason is good

and im happy you will now be maintaining a plan for your studs well being

you only get out what you put in

its costly but worth it in end

id be asking how you could improve your flight set up was best thing i did questioning that and listening

my birds are sitting at 15 deg nightly 10 my change in their flights been good all round even if i do prefer it be longer and wider

its warm and draft free lots sun and dry floor

 

your club will help you all you need darl you should ask their advice over ours they have you as a interest as your their new blood listen to them mate

[**KAZ** 0]

Just wanted to inform everyone that after a long day of visiting and chatting to numerous breeders, someone will came around and euthanise the bird tommorrow afternoon

Why would someone come to euthanase a bird they havent as yet assessed. The bird may be able to be saved.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Just wanted to inform everyone that after a long day of visiting and chatting to numerous breeders, someone will came around and euthanise the bird tommorrow afternoon

Why would someone come to euthanase a bird they havent as yet assessed. The bird may be able to be saved.

 

The person examined the bird, but didnt have the right tools to deal with the bird at that moment, and was busy. People I talked to on the phone recommended I also do it, just from my description. it is a sad ending, but the bird is to far gone. He has no sense of up or down, or how to use his wings. He isn't eating properly and has dropped 2 grams since yesterday.

[**KAZ** 0]

Just wanted to inform everyone that after a long day of visiting and chatting to numerous breeders, someone will came around and euthanise the bird tommorrow afternoon

Why would someone come to euthanase a bird they havent as yet assessed. The bird may be able to be saved.

 

The person examined the bird, but didnt have the right tools to deal with the bird at that moment, and was busy. People I talked to on the phone recommended I also do it, just from my description. it is a sad ending, but the bird is to far gone. He has no sense of up or down, or how to use his wings. He isn't eating properly and has dropped 2 grams since yesterday.

Very sad but at least you are learning from this and beginning a medicine cabinet too.

 

 

PS I dont need tools to euthanase a bird.

[GenericBlue 0]

no tools are needed squeak

but i can imagine what you were told

his savable till hes dead mate :} give him treatment give him a chance just keep him away from others for few months even if h recoops

 

or dont be bothered cause hes just a bird and a cock at that n nothing supper >>>>>

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

 

Very sad but at least you are learning from this and beginning a medicine cabinet too.

 

 

PS I dont need tools to euthanase a bird.

 

I grew up not having to medicate animals much, just because we really only had cats, and growing up on a farm my mum's family never did any special with them as in worming etc. I am now learning about all the medicine's more, but I really only want to keep to the basic's, I don't want my birds to be surviving off drugs, I want my stud to be strong and healthy.

 

no tools are needed squeak

but i can imagine what you were told

his savable till hes dead mate :} give him treatment give him a chance just keep him away from others for few months even if h recoops

 

or dont be bothered cause hes just a bird and a cock at that n nothing supper >>>>>

Everyone euthanises different, this person used to be a nurse, so she just gets a needle and injects them. She prefers it this way, and so would I. Any animal in general is not savable until it is dead. An animal is savable until it give's up on itself. Once an animal is to far gone, they just shut their body down, no matter how hard you try. He has treatment for cocci in his water. I am not going to let this bird suffer any longer.

 

And no, that last sentence is absolutely not true! I am very sad to say it was one of the bird's I got from you GB, and he was very special to me as he is partially tame and one of my better birds. I had big plans for him in my TCB line. You breed nice birds GB, and even though you can't see him proper, he is a good bird I would have used. I dont care what kind of animal it is, they are always worth trying to save.

[Guest K&M Breeding]

Sorry your going to have to put him down

 

I do agree the way your "friend"(not sure if she's a friend or not ) is going to do it is a nicer way

 

I know how my boyfriends dad does away with his birds that are not saveable and I do NOT like that at all! but he's a pigeon breeder and He's been doing it for well over 30 years He knows what he's doing I don't say anything about how he has to "kill" one - its not my place but you can guarantee his son has to hear my constant dislike in it So he just stopped telling me Which in the long run was a good thing

 

I also wanted to comment on the "tank" part

 

I use a fish tank when I hand feed babies - when done properly it holds heat perfectly , I use a mesh lid (for reptiles) and a Fleece throw to cover it I put a heating pad on ONE end of the tank and it only heats the area the Heating pad touches the other area stays at a nice temp and if a baby gets too hot they just move to the cooler end

 

I've never had a bird dehydrate , or anything else Mine are in it until they're fully feathered and start perching (I also put a perch in it at the proper time) They grow and do a lot better in the tank then the 1st home made brooder i used that I found on line which was 2 Plastic totes bottom one was filled with water with a fish tank heater in it, then the top one inserted into that, and lined with care fresh bedding (its what i use in nest boxes) layered with towels and paper towels and a Lamp above it, I almost lost the one and only chick i used this sort of brooder with, because no matter what I did the heat Would not stay consistent and it would go down low then back up high then low etc etc

 

I've never had that with my brooder I get it to the right temp before putting babies in and it stays there until I turn the Heating pad down when they get older

[GenericBlue 0]

 

Very sad but at least you are learning from this and beginning a medicine cabinet too.

 

 

PS I dont need tools to euthanase a bird.

 

I grew up not having to medicate animals much, just because we really only had cats, and growing up on a farm my mum's family never did any special with them as in worming etc. I am now learning about all the medicine's more, but I really only want to keep to the basic's, I don't want my birds to be surviving off drugs, I want my stud to be strong and healthy.

 

no tools are needed squeak

but i can imagine what you were told

his savable till hes dead mate :} give him treatment give him a chance just keep him away from others for few months even if h recoops

 

or dont be bothered cause hes just a bird and a cock at that n nothing supper >>>>>

Everyone euthanises different, this person used to be a nurse, so she just gets a needle and injects them. She prefers it this way, and so would I. Any animal in general is not savable until it is dead. An animal is savable until it give's up on itself. Once an animal is to far gone, they just shut their body down, no matter how hard you try. He has treatment for cocci in his water. I am not going to let this bird suffer any longer.

 

And no, that last sentence is absolutely not true! I am very sad to say it was one of the bird's I got from you GB, and he was very special to me as he is partially tame and one of my better birds. I had big plans for him in my TCB line. You breed nice birds GB, and even though you can't see him proper, he is a good bird I would have used. I dont care what kind of animal it is, they are always worth trying to save.

 

 

i was saying....or dont be bothered cause hes just a bird and a cock at that n nothing supper >>>>> thats what alot of people tell me but i always let the bird pass on its own unless its oviously passed eatting and is starving to death

injecting a bird seems extream you need to know how to do it as if you dont it wont work and bird will suffer

 

anyway im sure she you know whats best as i do know you have tryed to save few birds over time and keeping your stud medicated with preventitives although im like you and dont want to unless like me you keep learning the hard way is a must hun so

three that are needed is

canker 3 monthly

cocci 3 monthly in wet and 6 months in dry weather

doxy to any new bird brought in when its in quarantine for two weeks and full course if it seems it requires it

 

oh i forgot worming with ivomectom which kills lice and worms ever 3 month one drop to back of neck

[Guest K&M Breeding]

I'm curious why a lot of people on here medicate their birds so much and so frequently?

 

if they have no issues why medicate them? Giving them meds as preventives is just preventing the meds from working when there is a true problem. when a medication is given a lot over time the body "gets used to it" and it no longer works for what it is supposed to work for and i'm sure its not really good on their organs either. I know its not with humans and I also know in at least humans it usually causes more harm than good in the long run

 

is it because most of you house your birds outside??

 

I've never had to Worm any of my birds - they've never had worms

I've never given medicine for anything a vet did not prescribe it for - when a female had a tumor they drained and prescribed Baytril

 

and I've only had to treat scaly face mites 2 times in going on 5 years and I don't even think it was mites - since the medicine did nothing, It never got worse (like very noticeable honey combs on the cere etc) it was just more like extremely dry skin around the beak - and it was very hot in the summer both times I treated for mites and I don't think it was mites either time because no other bird got it and they were all bonded and preened and fed each other living in the community cage together I would think if it was truly mites more than just 1 bird would get it

 

but all my birds live inside. and I've never had any worms or any problems with diseases

Edited May 16, 2011 by K&M Breeding

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Just thought I would mention the cock bird wasn't euthanased. He received a week of treatment. At the end, he had but on 7 grams (32 grams --> 39g ) after the second week, I took the medicated water out, and he had lost 3 grams (now 36g). I have been giving him oats to get him up, and he chirps when he hears other birds. I have treated all the birds with coccivet.

[**KAZ** 0]

Just thought I would mention the cock bird wasn't euthanased. He received a week of treatment. At the end, he had but on 7 grams (32 grams --> 39g ) after the second week, I took the medicated water out, and he had lost 3 grams (now 36g). I have been giving him oats to get him up, and he chirps when he hears other birds. I have treated all the birds with coccivet.

 

Very pleasing to hear this news Squeak

[Ratzy 0]

Hope your cock continues to improve Squeak.

 

Just wanted to comment on the tank thing -

 

When Marigold had egg binding she was in one, and she recovered fine. It was pretty big though, heat lamp at one end and the over end was dark and cooler.

That tank is 160L though, that would make a difference, wouldn't it?

It was easier than using a cage, and I could monitor her easier.

[GenericBlue 0]

Just thought I would mention the cock bird wasn't euthanased. He received a week of treatment. At the end, he had but on 7 grams (32 grams --> 39g ) after the second week, I took the medicated water out, and he had lost 3 grams (now 36g). I have been giving him oats to get him up, and he chirps when he hears other birds. I have treated all the birds with coccivet.

 

 

really good to hear hun

he is a beautiful boy i remember him well

keep him away from others for good two months as if he returns to flight to soon may go backwards again

treat flight every 3 months with cocci vet then for summer one time after a big clean out of aviary you shouldn't need to do it again until the start of autumn then next year before the rain season starts this is to get the antibiotics in gut ready to combat any lurking cocci that may of brooded in warm humid months

 

great news let us know how he goes

grey sunflower seed is also good to feed him not black

Edited May 29, 2011 by GenericBlue

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

 

 

great news let us know how he goes

grey sunflower seed is also good to feed him not black

 

Unfortunately , this bird passed this afternoon. It's horrible. I truly, in all honesty, thought he was getting better. He was still inside, with seed and hulled oats (and sunflower seed's), and kept warm. He was more active. I have another bird I took out a few days after him, who wasn't so bad. He also had done a week of dosage. All of my aviary birds are fine, and these two bird's inside were both chirping to each other, nice and active. I was monitoring the budgie's weight, and it started decreasing on Thursday. I don't have a clue what happened, but it went from 38 back down to 35 in the space of 4 days. He started to spasm and twitch, and within 10 minutes was gone this late afternoon. I am very carefully monitoring the bird above him, to make sure he doesn't have a rapid decrease.

 

On a slightly more positive note, what does everyone think of this?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HERBS-HORSES-1kg-Seaweed-Meal-Kelp-/220766823470?pt=AU_Horse_Riding_Equipment&hash=item3366ba642e

[**KAZ** 0]

So sorry about your bird re the seaweed...........Splat uses it in her softfood mix....she posted it recently.