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[Squeak_Crumble 0]

I am looking at making some bread for the birds. I have recently been reviewing my birds different vitamins they get, as I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency) I have slightly modifed a recipe I found, and I was just wondering what you all thought of it? It seems like it will be fairly wet? Is there something I can add to make it more like "bread"?

 

Ingredients

2 Cups finely ground oats

1 Very ripe banana

1/3 Cup wheat germ oil

1/3 Cup vegetable oil

6 Large eggs

2 Heaping tablespoons of canned pumpkin

1 Heaping tablespoon of applesauce

1 Cup of mixed vegetables

1 Cup of cooked or canned pinto beans

1 Cup boiled brown rice

2 Cups corn meal

 

1/2 cup of pumpkin seeds

 

 

1/2 cup of pecan

 

 

1/4 cup of each, pistachios, sunflower seeds, almonds

 

1 cup roughly chopped cherry tomatoes

 

1/2 cup of lima beans

 

3/4 cup peas

 

1 tablespoon fennel seed

 

1 cup chopped parsley

 

 

4 Tablespoons baking powder

Edited May 13, 2011 by **KAZ**

[stace 0]

From memory carrot and sweet potato have the highest Vit A content. Maybe grate some carrot up and some mashed spud in the bread as well, or substitute.

[**KAZ** 0]

I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency)

 

 

Vitamin A deficiency is not a sole cause of staining above the cere.

 

More often than not its respiratory issues.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

From memory carrot and sweet potato have the highest Vit A content. Maybe grate some carrot up and some mashed spud in the bread as well, or substitute.

Thanks stace, I will add a few carrots to the mix

 

I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency)

 

 

Vitamin A deficiency is not a sole cause of staining above the cere.

 

More often than not its respiratory issues.

I know that respiratory infections can also lead to this, but I overlooked the area and I cannot seem to find anything to be aggravating the aviary air?

Edited May 13, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble

[**KAZ** 0]

I cannot seem to find anything to be aggravating the aviary air?

How cold is it where you are and have your birds just moulted as well ?

[macka 0]

I am looking at making some bread for the birds. I have recently been reviewing my birds different vitamins they get, as I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency) I have slightly modifed a recipe I found, and I was just wondering what you all thought of it? It seems like it will be fairly wet? Is there something I can add to make it more like "bread"?

 

Ingredients

2 Cups finely ground oats

1 Very ripe banana

1/3 Cup wheat germ oil

1/3 Cup vegetable oil

6 Large eggs

2 Heaping tablespoons of canned pumpkin

1 Heaping tablespoon of applesauce

1 Cup of mixed vegetables

1 Cup of cooked or canned pinto beans

1 Cup boiled brown rice

2 Cups corn meal

 

1/2 cup of pumpkin seeds

 

 

1/2 cup of pecan

 

 

1/4 cup of each, pistachios, sunflower seeds, almonds

 

1 cup roughly chopped cherry tomatoes

 

1/2 cup of lima beans

 

3/4 cup peas

 

1 tablespoon fennel seed

 

1 cup chopped parsley

 

 

4 Tablespoons baking powder

Feeding all that to your birds,they will turn to fat & die.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

I cannot seem to find anything to be aggravating the aviary air?

How cold is it where you are and have your birds just moulted as well ?

In the last week, night temperatures have been about 10c and daytime 18c. All the birds just moulted and are loosing all the loose old pin sheaths, and unfortunately I have had two die. One was today, he was very skinny and hadn't kept up with the moult. The other one had been looking not to flash for a while, and the moult just seemed to finish him off.

[GenericBlue 0]

I am looking at making some bread for the birds. I have recently been reviewing my birds different vitamins they get, as I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency) I have slightly modifed a recipe I found, and I was just wondering what you all thought of it? It seems like it will be fairly wet? Is there something I can add to make it more like "bread"?

 

Ingredients

2 Cups finely ground oats

1 Very ripe banana

1/3 Cup wheat germ oil

1/3 Cup vegetable oil

6 Large eggs

2 Heaping tablespoons of canned pumpkin

1 Heaping tablespoon of applesauce

1 Cup of mixed vegetables

1 Cup of cooked or canned pinto beans

1 Cup boiled brown rice

2 Cups corn meal

 

1/2 cup of pumpkin seeds

 

 

1/2 cup of pecan

 

 

1/4 cup of each, pistachios, sunflower seeds, almonds

 

1 cup roughly chopped cherry tomatoes

 

1/2 cup of lima beans

 

3/4 cup peas

 

1 tablespoon fennel seed

 

1 cup chopped parsley

 

 

4 Tablespoons baking powder

Feeding all that to your birds,they will turn to fat & die.

 

macka is right thats just over board i know i was over board queen for a year or two

 

just seems your birds are suffering hard molt best you can do is either a tad probo in water and some hulled Oates in separate dish in flight so birds can eat in warm their blood up a bit maybe cover flight from any draft with something a blind or what not

if you think they lak vits then a few days here in their of sol-ivet breeder (i cant spell it )can help with that in water

draft is biggest killer and you have dirt floor from memmorie so id give birds a dose of cocci vet or baycox for coccidia 2 day treatment in water of baycox will hold them through for three months which is all you need to do any wet area or damp floor will cause this very quick and no all birds die as most say they can drop one a month and it will be cocci and as its just one here in their people dismiss it but if fluffed green poo dark or light if hunched or leggs seem extended if birds are thin with weather like this cocci is first thing i look at birds can last months with cocci then die suddenly seeming like nothing was wrong bar weight loss

 

but draft has same symptoms so.... when in doubt get the flock checked out

[Guest K&M Breeding]

I am looking at making some bread for the birds. I have recently been reviewing my birds different vitamins they get, as I noticed a few of the birds have staining above the cere. (Vit A. deficiency) I have slightly modifed a recipe I found, and I was just wondering what you all thought of it? It seems like it will be fairly wet? Is there something I can add to make it more like "bread"?

 

Ingredients

2 Cups finely ground oats

1 Very ripe banana

1/3 Cup wheat germ oil

1/3 Cup vegetable oil

6 Large eggs

2 Heaping tablespoons of canned pumpkin

1 Heaping tablespoon of applesauce

1 Cup of mixed vegetables

1 Cup of cooked or canned pinto beans

1 Cup boiled brown rice

2 Cups corn meal

 

1/2 cup of pumpkin seeds

 

 

1/2 cup of pecan

 

 

1/4 cup of each, pistachios, sunflower seeds, almonds

 

1 cup roughly chopped cherry tomatoes

 

1/2 cup of lima beans

 

3/4 cup peas

 

1 tablespoon fennel seed

 

1 cup chopped parsley

 

 

4 Tablespoons baking powder

Feeding all that to your birds,they will turn to fat & die.

 

that is WRONG it is made in to bread and each bird gets a small piece of it they are not being fed all this stuff in a bowl for them to have a free for all eating it

 

Read what Squeak said - I AM MAKING IT INTO BREAD

 

its called birdie bread and there are hundreds of different ways to do it

 

I make my birds birdie bread Only I use different ingriedents they get a piece daily and have for the last 4 1/2 years They are not fat and have not died from it

 

read the entire post , research if you don't know what bird bread is before you make a comment like that which is 100% wrong

Edited May 13, 2011 by K&M Breeding

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

 

macka is right thats just over board i know i was over board queen for a year or two

 

just seems your birds are suffering hard molt best you can do is either a tad probo in water and some hulled Oates in separate dish in flight so birds can eat in warm their blood up a bit maybe cover flight from any draft with something a blind or what not The birds aviary is completely covered but the door, and it isn't drafty at all. They also get hulled oats and sunflower seeds in dishes.

if you think they lak vits then a few days here in their of sol-ivet breeder (i cant spell it )can help with that in water

draft is biggest killer and you have dirt floor from memmorie so id give birds a dose of cocci vet or baycox for coccidia 2 day treatment in water of baycox will hold them through for three months which is all you need to do any wet area or damp floor will cause this very quick and no all birds die as most say they can drop one a month and it will be cocci and as its just one here in their people dismiss it but if fluffed green poo dark or light if hunched or leggs seem extended if birds are thin with weather like this cocci is first thing i look at birds can last months with cocci then die suddenly seeming like nothing was wrong bar weight loss Quite a few birds are fluffed up, Thankyou for this suggestion gb! I never thought that, but knew that the damp/wet can cause it. I will treat them for cocci and see if it improves.

 

but draft has same symptoms so.... when in doubt get the flock checked out

 

 

 

 

that is WRONG it is made in to bread and each bird gets a small piece of it they are not being fed all this stuff in a bowl for them to have a free for all eating it

 

Read what Squeak said - I AM MAKING IT INTO BREAD

 

its called birdie bread and there are hundreds of different ways to do it

 

I make my birds birdie bread Only I use different ingriedents they get a piece daily and have for the last 4 1/2 years They are not fat and have not died from it

 

read the entire post , research if you don't know what bird bread is before you make a comment like that which is 100% wrong

 

Yes, it is a bread. It wouldn't be everyday, it would maybe be a slice or two a week. Obviously if I saw they were getting overweight, I would not feed it as often. If I thought that they could have more eg a slice a day, I would change it accordingly.

[Dave_McMinn 0]

If you wwant to make them bread, go ahead I say. Good on you.

 

If you are feeding them a small portion a day, good for you and lucky them.

 

It is not overdone to give them various small treats.

 

Good job with the bread, keep up the thoughtfullness.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Thanks Dave. I just took a bird out of the aviary, he is very fluffed up and sick looking. He has scaly around his mouth a little, so I did a drop of invermection (is that what it is called?) and will do another once that soaks in. I am worried about him though, I have a wheat bag under him. I ran out of my coccivet, and I was planning on getting some Monday (club meeting night). I don't know if this guy will last until then? assuming it is cocci...

[**KAZ** 0]

I did a drop of invermection (is that what it is called?) and will do another once that soaks in.

it takes one drop on the back of the neck under the feathers.........thats it. How are you applying it ?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

I did a drop of invermection (is that what it is called?) and will do another once that soaks in.

it takes one drop on the back of the neck under the feathers.........thats it. How are you applying it ?

 

With a syringe. You said in another thread you should apply two drops if the bird is over 30 grams.

 

"how big are your birds. If larger than the 30 gram bird they will need two drops"

[**KAZ** 0]

I did a drop of invermection (is that what it is called?) and will do another once that soaks in.

it takes one drop on the back of the neck under the feathers.........thats it. How are you applying it ?

 

With a syringe. You said in another thread you should apply two drops if the bird is over 30 grams.

 

"how big are your birds. If larger than the 30 gram bird they will need two drops"

So why do you think you have to wait till it soaks in ?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

I did a drop of invermection (is that what it is called?) and will do another once that soaks in.

it takes one drop on the back of the neck under the feathers.........thats it. How are you applying it ?

 

With a syringe. You said in another thread you should apply two drops if the bird is over 30 grams.

 

"how big are your birds. If larger than the 30 gram bird they will need two drops"

So why do you think you have to wait till it soaks in ?

I assumed you did, otherwise the drops may just run off because the bird's neck area isn't as big as two drops of it. Does it really matter?

 

The bird is in a tank in our living room, where the heater is.

[**KAZ** 0]

It soaks in. The area you put the drops on is big enough to apply the solution. If it isnt then it isnt an average to large bird requiring two drops.

Why not make it a once application instead of going at the bird twice ?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

It soaks in. The area you put the drops on is big enough to apply the solution. If it isnt then it isnt an average to large bird requiring two drops.

Why not make it a once application instead of going at the bird twice ?

 

I will do it at the same time next time. The bird weighs 34 grams, but he is awfully skinny. I gave him some cous cous, egg and carrot. I think I will syringe feed him some hand-rearing mix tonight,

[maesie 0]

The bird is in a tank in our living room, where the heater is.

 

I wouldn't be keeping any bird in a tank... A cage with a lamp over it for heat would be a better option...

 

The bread you mentioned sounds yummy too. Hope they enjoy it!

[GenericBlue 0]

dont feed ill birds anything but seed and water if you want to try and find reason for illness i was told small amount of rasbery cordiel n squeeze lemmon off one the well known breeders and nothing more untill u can establish if its but a tummy bug or more if a tummy bug this will fix rather quickly if worse you will see other simptoms and be able to medicate as needed

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Well I will take out the soft food then. I had to crop feed him last night, and I seemed to be putting more, and more, and more in ! His crop wasn't swelling much. He was eating seed and drinking last night, but I couldnt feel anything, that was why I crop fed him. Even after 4ml of it, I could still barely feel the food in him. I woke up this morning to find the tank walls splattered with slimy seed. Canker? Does cocci have the same signs eg regurgitating seed? I have some stuff called sulfur remedy, than can be used for caecal coccidiossis. Two drops to the beak twice a day.

[GenericBlue 0]

4 mil you may of over feed him if he was eating also birds can vomit from being ovr fed like children do

 

was he drinking lots

can you get picture

has he got blotted crop

is he hunched or just fluffed

looking up or head down

is his crop hardened feeling and what poo looking like colour shape

 

just put seed in and water watch him carefully is he actually cracking the seed and eating or cracking it and dropping the seed

keep him warm but dont dehydrate him if anything gets cropped to him id give water around half a mil dont aspirate him though as its easy to do with water more so than food

most ill birds die from being dehydrated

 

really though a vet trip would be best may save your flock from a illness thats just starting to show in one or two birds

 

unless hes drinking loads then id guess canker and treat for this first thing if drinking loads dont crop him water

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

4 mil you may of over feed him if he was eating also birds can vomit from being ovr fed like children do

 

was he drinking lots Yes, quite alot

can you get picture they are uploading now

has he got blotted crop not sure I understand?

is he hunched or just fluffed fluffed and hunched a bit. he is to weak to flap his wings. his flights are very spread, and drooping alot. for example if I dropped him he wouldnt try and gluide, would just go plonk on ground.

looking up or head down head down. eyes look small.

is his crop hardened feeling and what poo looking like colour shape his poo looks normal, kinda brown/green colour and not heaps sloppy but wet enough

 

just put seed in and water watch him carefully is he actually cracking the seed and eating or cracking it and dropping the seed he is eating it as well, he is eating like a normal bird as far as quantity and frequenty.

keep him warm but dont dehydrate him if anything gets cropped to him id give water around half a mil dont aspirate him though as its easy to do with water more so than food

most ill birds die from being dehydrated he has been drinking lots.

 

really though a vet trip would be best may save your flock from a illness thats just starting to show in one or two birds

 

unless hes drinking loads then id guess canker and treat for this first thing if drinking loads dont crop him water

 

i will post pictue in a minute.

 

the pictures are not good sorry, taken from my ipod

 

When i first put him in:

 

Setup:

 

general:

 

drink of water:

 

picture of of front. i know the scaly looks bad, but his mouth was wet from the water as well. it isnt that bad.

[maesie 0]

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this... but I don't think you should be keeping him in a TANK... He needs a cage with over head heat, where he can escape from it as needed. The tank will hold the heat and could possibly dehydrate him even further.

[GenericBlue 0]

theirs food everywhere in their

he should have seed and water only

 

nothing else

 

that scaly is bad you can say it to yourself as much as u like it is bad though dont need clear picture to see that

but scaly is fixable but tells me that you dont regularly worm ivomectom your flock ever three months is the time span between doses infact ive been told every two weeks withthe one that you buy ready made but im happy with three months as thats what vet told me other wize it lapses

all chicks should be done when two weeks old then before realise into flock at no longer than 3 weeks

 

he needs warmth towels wont do it and ventilation

circulating put him in a show cage with nothing but seed on floor and water in their keep this in a warm room of no less that 27 deg 30 if poss youwont need to cover him then of find a lamp that gives heat near impossab;le these days

 

 

but only seed in water okay

 

then try get a clearer picture darl of mouth area (im not worryed about the scaley i want to see the area around his beak