splat 0 Posted March 24, 2011 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) If there is NO standard for suffused how come it is in the Australian National Budgerigar Council "the Standard" on page 39. in Other Varieties Edited March 24, 2011 by splat Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 24, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 24, 2011 If there is NO standard for suffused how come it is in the Australian National Budgerigar Council "the Standard" on page 39. in Other Varieties Random statements have been made by some with not enough knowledge at times. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted March 25, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) A black eyed self is in essence a suffused that has been heavily selected for little marking AND has had cinnamon added to reduce the suffusion. If anything the BES is the phoney variety (in genetic terms) but still an attractive and challenging bird to breed to standard. Keeping the suffusion and markings out of them whilst trying to improve the size and feather is a real effort. Dilutes on the other hand are generally very strong birds, having quite often come out of random pairings. They are extremely useful in clearwing and greywing breeding and MANY breeders have them in their aviary for that reason (including myself). It would be extremely nice to be able to show these birds in their own ligit class. Oh and S-C if you do actually read your standard you will find the suffused combined into the AOSV - I suggest your give it a quick going over. At the moment though the AOSV class is totally dominated by these high quality dilutes. What a SENSIBLE idea to split them away from this class and add them to the nationals. They are a variety in their own right genetically speaking anyway! And as far a judging them is concerned I think the standard suggests 30% suffusion is optimum. Well that's not too bad a target to aim for when BES breeding aim is a totally clear body colour. Speaking as a judge I don't think I'll have too much trouble with them. I still do say that for smaller state bodies it's going to be extremely difficult to accomodate extra classes, birds, space, staging, holding areas, holding cages, show cages etc etc etc. A horrible thought on that front. Edited March 25, 2011 by nubbly5 Link to comment
Matt Welchman 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Member ID: 5,835 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 361 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,075 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 21, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) If we go back a couple of years , there was a huge debate over 3 birds being exhibited on the bench instead of 2 and one reserve . Now there was a massive debate over this and most of it came down to cost!! . I cant believe now we are talking about adding even more varieties . You can say good bye to the not so well off states hosting a National . It will end up being an Eastern sea board Comp. Goodbye Nationals!!, Then the hobby wouldnt be far from the Grave. I believe we need to start at the Matrix , not the Nationals, Stop destroying our existing varieties before adding new ones. Honstly when have you last seen a clearwing clearwing and not something somewhere between dilute&greywing . I can see this debate going for a while yet. Edited March 26, 2011 by Matt Welchman Link to comment
macka 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Member ID: 3,383 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,136 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 31, 2012 Birthday: 24/06/1948 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Lets just say,what if the main states run the Nationals & the other states,sent there birds,across to the National in those States, that could afford to run the National. Why should the main states, be disadvantaged by the less financial states,they are only holding back,the Budgie shows,because they can't afford to run the National. I think it might come,to where the big 3 might say,this is what is going to happen Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2011 How about the states that want to introduce all these new classes fund the smaller zones to run Nationals in their zones - bet there would be an even BIGGER debate about that one! Link to comment
macka 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Member ID: 3,383 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,136 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 31, 2012 Birthday: 24/06/1948 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Thats what they would be doing,running them in the 3 main states,what more do you want.Any way,it was just a thought on my part,I don't think the National degalates, would agree to it. Link to comment
Twisted 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Member ID: 6,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,110 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 27, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2011 It's some of the smaller states that are pushing for the new classes.... Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Umm well not ours!......... maybe........ I don't think........... Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted April 29, 2011 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted April 29, 2011 How many people are ready to breed the proposed new classes for the 2013 & 2014 Nationals? Birds shown at the 2013 Nationals are rung with 2012 ring, which we receive on the 1st Sept, nearly 4 months away. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted April 30, 2011 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe some dilutes and definitely dark factors. Not anything else. Link to comment
Matt Welchman 0 Posted May 1, 2011 Member ID: 5,835 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 361 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,075 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 21, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How many people are ready to breed the proposed new classes for the 2013 & 2014 Nationals? Birds shown at the 2013 Nationals are rung with 2012 ring, which we receive on the 1st Sept, nearly 4 months away. Im that enthused about the new classes that I dont even know what they will be , In saying that if I pair a heap of odd varieties together then im sure I will have something to fit in the proposed classes. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted May 1, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How many people are ready to breed the proposed new classes for the 2013 & 2014 Nationals? Birds shown at the 2013 Nationals are rung with 2012 ring, which we receive on the 1st Sept, nearly 4 months away. Im that enthused about the new classes that I dont even know what they will be , In saying that if I pair a heap of odd varieties together then im sure I will have something to fit in the proposed classes. :D Link to comment
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