Neville 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Member ID: 4,610 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,640 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 09/12/1940 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I would like members opinions on this bird's mutation. He is not what I expected Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Are the wings cinnamon? My first thought was clearbody. But if the wings are cinnamon (from the looks of the photo?) it may be a cinnamon clearbody? And opaline of course. Or possibly a cinnamon opaline with some type of suffusion? Link to comment
splat 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I can't see the cinnamon on my screen, but he does look like a opaline clearbody, but his flights look to dark. Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) SInce this is Nev asking I thinking it isn't a normal mutation. My first thought Clearbody as well. The body looks quite dilute but the markings aren't....could he have a darkwing modifier? Edited December 21, 2010 by *Nerwen* Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 21, 2010 What colour are the eyes ? If red, is it a fallow ? Link to comment
rachelm 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 6,042 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 740 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,045 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2014 Birthday: 15/06/1977 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) My first thought was fallow but he has a blue cere, so it can't be. Edited December 22, 2010 by rachelm Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 22, 2010 My first thought was fallow but he has a blue cere, so it can't be. AHA !! Forgot about that Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Wings do not looks cinnamon and his eyes look black to me Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Wings look cinnamon in some pics, but not in others. I have some VERY dark cinnamons myself, typically the flecked ones are darker (or one might say the dark ones are flecked ). A cinnamon opaline mutation combination could easily explain the pale patchy colour. But then some sort of clearbody could be in the mix. If you bred him yourself it should of course be evident in the parents, or at least the hen unless she is masking it? Link to comment
Neville 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 4,610 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,640 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 09/12/1940 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) The reason I posted the pictures was because I think he looks like a texas clearbody and I wondered if others would think so too. He is opaline cinnamon but his wing markings are very dark and in some lighting the body colour is hardly visible. His father was a sky blue opaline cinnamon & his mother was a grey opaline cinnamon dominant pied. To be a male of a sex-linked mutation like clearbody he would need to have inherited the mutation from both parents Edited December 22, 2010 by Neville Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted December 22, 2010 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) So it was something simple. very easy to work out when you know the parentage. Edited December 22, 2010 by *Nerwen* Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted December 23, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted December 23, 2010 There was none of the usual indications that Texas Clearbody was involved in this bird. I have seen this before in Opalines but in the green series only and never combined with Cinnamon. Opalines can cause patchy colour in my early days I saw fair few that were patchy around the chest area and this corresponded with just a general lack of colour all over but not to this extent. What you will find has happened is that there was a transcription error of the Opaline locus and it could be a one off or something new. Maybe an allele of Opaline who knows. Link to comment
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