The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 18, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) I posted this on the 'Breeders Chat' forum, but haven't had any responses, so I'm trying again here! I think this is a female and is blue series (maybe mauve) - parents are: dark green opaline cock and albino hen Thanks in advance. Also, I notice quite regularly people referring to the colour of the middle two pin feathers as an indication of what colour/variety the chick is. Is there anywhere on this site that lists what the different colour pin feathers mean in relation to the various colours/varieties? Edited October 18, 2010 by The Black Doctor Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted October 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Looks like there is yellow coming through but its about 3 days too early to start seeing easily, especially from photos. on a side note, it might be nice to pick the dried poop clumbs off the nails Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 18, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 Thanks Dean - yes, I though I might get a comment about that, but I removed it after taking the photos! Will post some pics in the next few days when they colour up a bit more. Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted October 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I thought I was seeing yellow too Dean. White down so is Opaline. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 18, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Not blue But hen chick Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted October 19, 2010 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I thought I was seeing yellow too Dean. White down so is Opaline. I thought I saw yellow too. But I'm on a different computer now and its very very faint... Have no clue with the sex... Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 19, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Not blue But hen chick Thanks everyone. So, Kax, how do you know it's not blue and what's with the white down = opaline? As I asked previously, is there anywhere I can find out what I need to look for (i.e. colour of down, pin feathers etc.) in order to work out what colour and variety my chicks are? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 19, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Not blue But hen chick Thanks everyone. So, Kax, how do you know it's not blue and what's with the white down = opaline? As I asked previously, is there anywhere I can find out what I need to look for (i.e. colour of down, pin feathers etc.) in order to work out what colour and variety my chicks are? Tip of tailfeathers poking out of the feather shaft look dark green to me. White down on a chick is an early sign of opaline. Also, I notice quite regularly people referring to the colour of the middle two pin feathers as an indication of what colour/variety the chick is. Mostly you can tell a chick will be spangle by the middle two tailpins being clear in comparison to the others. With some other mutations the colour of the tailpins also shows before anything else what the chick will be. Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 19, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) Thanks Kaz - can you elaborate on which mutations you can identify early on by the colour of the tailpins? Edited October 19, 2010 by The Black Doctor Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Took some more photos this afternoon: Oldest chick: Second oldest chick: Definitely green series! The next eldest looks blue series, but I didn't get a photo. I also forgot to take a photo of their nostrils to try and guess their sex. Maybe tomorrow if I have time! Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted October 20, 2010 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Great Photo's Doc! Nice feet too hahaha! Sorry just had to, everyone commented on the feet when they were pooy so I figured I'd comment when they were clean! Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) LOL - thanks Jimmy! I made sure they were 100% clean of gunk before I took the potos this time! Anyway, I took some more photos this morning and the third chick appears to be green series as well. Anyone want to take a stab at their sex? Chick 1 Chick 2 Chick 3 I'm thinking hen, cock (maybe hen?), hen. Edited October 20, 2010 by The Black Doctor Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted October 20, 2010 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I'm terrible with sexing so I won't even bother trying but I think your right about the green series... Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 21, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Anyone want to take a guess? Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 21, 2010 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Anyone want to take a stab at their sex? Chick 1 This one looks pretty washed out, so hard to tell, but maybe a hen. (And those are really cute pin feathers!) Chick 2 I would guess hen for this one. Chick 3 Again, pretty washed out, there is some glare, but I would guess hen. I'm thinking hen, cock (maybe hen?), hen. Those are my stabs at it, but I'm not very experienced yet, so don't be surprised if I am wrong! Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 21, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Thanks Finnie - at least you had a go and we seem to agree, which is good! Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 22, 2010 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thanks Finnie - at least you had a go and we seem to agree, which is good! You're welcome. Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 31, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2010 It's been a while since I took any photos, but they're finally here: Chick 1 - I'm guessing dark green opaline hen Chick 2 - I'm guessing olive green opaline hen Chick 3 - I'm guessing olive green opaline cinnamon hen Chick 4 - I'm guessing olive green opaline hen Here's some group shots: Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 31, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) the chicks can not be olive as their tails are black so this makes them grey green the first is dark green as tail is blue very nice dark green to by way cute chickys so if mums albino shes masking grey and dad well hes / cinnamon i think youngest is a cock but i couldbe very off as seems opaline also if case mum is masking opaline also Edited October 31, 2010 by GenericBlue Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted October 31, 2010 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted October 31, 2010 They're looking good! Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 31, 2010 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I agree with GB, the mom must have grey factor, and if she' wasn't albino, we could tell whether she was cinnamon or opaline, which would rule out whether the chicks could be boys. When I took my stab at guessing their sexes above, I thought the photos looked a little washed out, which can make cocks look like hens. These new photos are also a little ambiguous, but now I think they could all be cocks. I have had a few chicks that make me change my mind every time I look at them. With those chicks, I have to wait a long time until they sort of settle one way or another. I think your chicks may be that way, too. I am retracting my hen guesses and saying I'm just not sure now. (There seems to be a whole lot of pink going on there, and the only white I see is if I try to imagine the white. Plus, when there is also black on the cere, it messes with my eyes like an optical illusion.) Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted November 3, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Thanks guys. So GB, I didn't want any cinnamons or grey greens to start with and now I've got some anyway LOL! That's interesting re: tail colour - another thing I didn't know and now do. Anywhere I can find out which coloured tail feathers = what colour bird? Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted January 10, 2011 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Okay - I've been very busy and have had computer problems, but finally found some time to get back on here and catch up with all the happenings. So, just to refresh: the dark green opaline cock and the albino hen's first round resulted in 2 grey greens, a dark green and a cinnamon grey green - all opaline. Here's some photos: The same pair have since had another round, which resulted in 3 grey greens and 3 dark greens - all opaline. Here are some photos: I therefore believe the cock must be split cinnamon and the hen is masking grey and opaline. As it appears there are no dd dark factor babies (or I guess the grey greens could be?), would it be reasonable to conclude that the hen is also a DD dark factor, or is this too difficult to work out? I assume all the cocks will be split albino and if I breed them to normal hens, any resulting hens would be albino. Also, the cinnamon baby must be a hen. Is this correct? Edited January 10, 2011 by The Black Doctor Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted January 10, 2011 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) I've also just put the following pair into the breeding box - cobalt cock and yellow face grey hen: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/ChicolaBubbles.jpg Do you guys think this is a good pairing? This violet cobalt opaline hen is almost ready to go down as well: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/Violet.jpg I am considering putting her with one of these five cock birds: Grey violet dominant pied (these two seem to have paired themselves up and should produce some good violets): Skyblue dominant pied: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/Sky.jpg Grey spangle (arguably the best bird I have): http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/Smog1.jpg Skyblue spangle (similar to the one above, but not as good - colouration on head due to a blood feather): http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/Nibbles.jpg Grey Normal (another good bird): http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/stubrady333/2011%20Breeding%20Pairs/Rocky.jpg Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Edited January 13, 2011 by Dave_McMinn Unfortunately you pics, though of lovely birds, were all oversized. 640 x 480 is the maximum. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted January 10, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Just thought I would say those opalines have gorgeous markings! As clear as glass. Your very lucky. As for the violet hen, I think you should put her to the first cock bird. Link to comment
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