Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 17, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Hello! My first show is fast approaching, being on Monday. I am showing a grey-green cinnamon cock. Two problems. 1. My birds cheeks are revoltingly muddled and cluttered with spots, I don't know which to pull??! 2. I pulled a feather on the birds head that was a little bloody, he is coming out of moult just now and has a ocuple feather cases left, it looks like one burst earlier on. So, I pulled the feather. But more blood came from where I pulled it?! Is this just going to be a cycle? Help, Apprecitated!!! Thankyou!! Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted September 17, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Well you learned tip #1 - dont pull blood feathers! Unfortunate timing of moulting is a constant problem. It is helpful to time feed changes or other changes that can force a bird to moult about 8 weeks prior to a show. Often birds moult after breeding, feed changes, location changes etc so these are tricks that CAN be utilised if done properly. As for the actual preparation I've never really done it so i'll leave it to the experts Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 17, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 17, 2010 Well you learned tip #1 - dont pull blood feathers! Unfortunate timing of moulting is a constant problem. It is helpful to time feed changes or other changes that can force a bird to moult about 8 weeks prior to a show. Often birds moult after breeding, feed changes, location changes etc so these are tricks that CAN be utilised if done properly. As for the actual preparation I've never really done it so i'll leave it to the experts boy have I learnt tip one. It wasn't the actual feathers that was a blood feather, it was dirty so I pulled it and blood came up. I probably should have just worked the blood off of it with water. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 17, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) You cant show that bird Squeak. Its missing flights. There are many things that can stop you taking a bird to show on the day. Often we want to take a bird but it has dropped it tail or something like that. You cant show a bird that hasnt its full tail.........two tail feathers. It needs all its wing flight feathers too. Try not to show a bird with any pin feathers. try to show a bird in condition not just having come out of a moult and with no natural sheen on its feathers etc. If your bird hasnt its full wing feathers, leave it home and take it to the next show when it does have them. Edited September 18, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Don't pull feather just because there dirty. Wash it. I don't pull feather full stop. Too easy to damaged follicles and then have further problem down the track. For feathers that are still sheathed on the head but are almost ready you run a tooth brush in the direction of the feather growth or gently roll the feather sheath backwards and forwards between thumb and finger to break the sheath. As for mask spots I cut not pull. This allows the mask to stay plumb and full as I find with some birds the mask is so full of spots that when they are removed by pulling you end up with a bird that just does not look complete. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Don't pull feather just because there dirty. Wash it. I don't pull feather full stop. Too easy to damaged follicles and then have further problem down the track. For feathers that are still sheathed on the head but are almost ready you run a tooth brush in the direction of the feather growth or gently roll the feather sheath backwards and forwards between thumb and finger to break the sheath. As for mask spots I cut not pull. This allows the mask to stay plumb and full as I find with some birds the mask is so full of spots that when they are removed by pulling you end up with a bird that just does not look complete. I agree with RIP Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2010 You can try removing blood with a little toothpaste and a tooth brush. A tip for removing spots , start at the cheek patches and work your way into the centre its easier to identify the main spots that way. To clarify the missing feathers birds missing flights are penalised, as are birds missing a tail feather. Birds missing both tail feathers are disqualified. Cheers clearwing Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 You can try removing blood with a little toothpaste and a tooth brush. A tip for removing spots , start at the cheek patches and work your way into the centre its easier to identify the main spots that way. To clarify the missing feathers birds missing flights are penalised, as are birds missing a tail feather. Birds missing both tail feathers are disqualified. Cheers clearwing Also directed at Kaz: That picture of the bird is quite old, I was just trying to show the spots and mask. So You guys reccomend cutting? Also, I removed most of the sheaths on the feather buy just rolling them off, like you said New feathers underneath are nice and clean, no blood feathers. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Cutting for spotting out is good as it only takes the excess spots and not the whole feather. Takes practice but and a lot of care making sure the birds head is still while you have sharp scissors near its face. Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Also when you cut rather than pull the effect is long lasting so the bird is in showable condition pretty much most of the time. If you pull chances are the bird will be moulting in new spots when you want to him/her again. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 Hmm okay. I may practice with some stock birds in the aviary first. Thanks for the great tips!! Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) Squeak...........look up photos of birds for the nationals and you will see a HUGE difference between a bird whose spots have been pulled and one whose spots have been cut away. I like the look of a bird whose spots have been cut not pulled Edited September 18, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 Squeak...........look up photos of birds for the nationals and you will see a HUGE difference between a bird whose spots have been pulled and one whose spots have been cut away. I like the look of a bird whose spots have been cut not pulled:D Are there photo's on here, or do I need to use the almighty google? ;D Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2010 A word of warning, it is actually illegal to cut feathers on a show bird, so if your going to do it you'd better be very good at it, I must admit I pull some of the larger spots and trim off the smaller ones. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 A word of warning, it is actually illegal to cut feathers on a show bird, so if your going to do it you'd better be very good at it, I must admit I pull some of the larger spots and trim off the smaller ones. Illegal!?! As is disqualification/penalising or as in against the law ( ) Just sounded funny. Trsut me, I won't be fiddling to much. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) A word of warning, it is actually illegal to cut feathers on a show bird, so if your going to do it you'd better be very good at it, I must admit I pull some of the larger spots and trim off the smaller ones. I think you will find that this rules has changed Clearwing. http://www.anbc.iinet.net.au/StandardAmendment1ANBC08.doc DisqualificationAny evidence of trimming (other than spots) Trimming anywhere else and spots is allowed as far as most of us are aware. Edited September 18, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I don't like the word 'illegal' used in the sense that clearwing has used it. I feel this is a term best used in the real world, not the budgie world. In budgiedom maybe as mentioned already 'disqualification' etc. Although cutting is not allowed and never has been this is to mean any part of the bird i.e flight feather thrimming maybe. The spot area of the bird to my knowledge has never been included in the regulation. Link to comment
shannon bird breeder 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Member ID: 4,671 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,386 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 7,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/09/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 24, 2011 Birthday: 12/09/1994 Share Posted September 18, 2010 this is the most help so far have a look at this http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=28699&hl= Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted September 19, 2010 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2010 A word of warning, it is actually illegal to cut feathers on a show bird, so if your going to do it you'd better be very good at it, I must admit I pull some of the larger spots and trim off the smaller ones. Illegal!?! As is disqualification/penalising or as in against the law ( ) Just sounded funny. Trsut me, I won't be fiddling to much. I use the word illegal as disqualification refers to the bird being disqualified, however if the breeder/exhibitor breaks the rules [ illegal] the exhibitor can be banned from exhibiting, I've seen people banned for up to 5 years. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted September 19, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Some have been banned longer haven't they clearwing, for painting spots on and and glueing tails in. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 19, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 19, 2010 Some have been banned longer haven't they clearwing, for painting spots on and and glueing tails in. Link to comment
shannon bird breeder 0 Posted September 19, 2010 Member ID: 4,671 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,386 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 7,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/09/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 24, 2011 Birthday: 12/09/1994 Share Posted September 19, 2010 haha that funny it just show how much thay wont to win dont it i will not i will go home and breed the best i can for next year Link to comment
rachelm 0 Posted September 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,042 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 740 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,045 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2014 Birthday: 15/06/1977 Share Posted September 20, 2010 How did you go at the show Squeak? Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted September 21, 2010 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 Because I am the only junior, I was put in the novice class. There were only two cinnamons (it was a mini show), the other bird being a blue cinnamon hen by forum member Sunnie. I got first place, which I am thrilled about :rip: Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted September 21, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Because I am the only junior, I was put in the novice class. There were only two cinnamons (it was a mini show), the other bird being a blue cinnamon hen by forum member Sunnie. I got first place, which I am thrilled about :rip: Great job !! Link to comment
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