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yes my dog died recently

she was hit very badley by a car ran straight over

myself and a guy who saw it happen we rang three clinics as it was a sunday explained the dog was in a very bad way and was turned away by all

so we got smart and we rang one last vet and told them we had hit a dog and didnt know whos it was that it was very bad could we bring it in

the vet said do we have any idea at all whos dog and the guy said that he didnt know but it was posable the lady three houses down

the vet then was happy to let us bring it in and please call into the house to see if dog was theirs or not

he also said it was tripple time 150 dollors just to look at it before we walked in

when we got their he asked the guy did he find the owner before he even looked at the dog i was hlding her in my arms my daughter next to me in tears it was ovious we owned her i said yes im owner that the young lad had come over and i asked to come

vet told me that it would be up frount fee of 150 dollors then what ever after that

i told him i did not have money and he said that he really wasnt able to see her in that case i just looked at him and said well i get payed tomorrow and either you see her or i will see you in court

she was put down under his recommendation

on which i did totally agree as i knew before we got their she had internal indjerys and shed lost bowel motion already it was leaking i knew i was taking her to be put to sleep she had blood welling near her abdomen

 

and with my bird even the best avian vet in town turned me away after i drove 3 hours to get their

lucky my dad knew how important my birds are to me and payed for the conseltation and medications recomended swabs samles tests the lot 450.00 latter

and more visits to be had still no awnser he also managed to over medicate my flock unnececerily with three diffrent medications with no rezults

or did he find any cause to the birds deaths

2500 dollors i ended up paying sacraficed two birds to micro autopsys and had two autopsys done with tests for clamidia lead /metel poisoning

extra exetra

my children missed out on christmas gifts to try help me pay to find out what was wrong i was told i would get a answer if i did everything sugested and i did not still to this day have no clue why birds were droping

 

this hen has cost me so far a few hundred and thats after the kindness of a freind helping me out with paying some of the costs

and to be told i dont know but if she doesnt find a probblem then enithazizim is her only awnser

and im ment to be expected to keep comeing back to trust i will get answers yet never do

i have payed more on the vets than i have for my whole flock and aviary put together

never again

 

and as for becomming a avian vet mate i may as well be one as im the only one ever saved not only my own birds but others

i even saved a hen after a prolapse

i saved my friends chicken when no vet could give her a awnser

and ive mended many a mag pies broken wing when a vets said you can do nothing but put them down

so sailor i have no more on this subject but to say

vets when it comes to birds avian or not unless its a basic issue in which i could recognize and treat with success myself

ive never ever had a issue resolved and treated accordingly

 

and why didnt i ask for my little mate to get some liquard to help his dehidration

i did but was asured as he was eatting and able to preen himself and was not so bad that he was going to die yet weak

that some vitamins and a small dose of antibotics was the best recomendation i was very upset and trusted the vet knew what was best

if i had of been in a more stable way myself and not devostarted i would maybe stood in and questioned the use of antibiotics on such weak bird

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So many times I see people say a vet will allow you to make a payment arrangement... I dont know of a single vet who will do this. Some even keep your pets there like a hostage until you find the money and by the time you have the bill has gone up some more due to boarding fees.

 

Me neither Kaz..... this has never been an option at any vet i've been to...

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So many times I see people say a vet will allow you to make a payment arrangement... I dont know of a single vet who will do this. Some even keep your pets there like a hostage until you find the money and by the time you have the bill has gone up some more due to boarding fees.

 

This is so true. Years ago my dog delveloped hematoma (?spelling) on his ears and had to be operated on quickly. I was on a sole parent pension at the time and so no spare cash laying around. Op cost $200 they would not let me pay it off and held my dog until I found the money. Of course each day they charge board too!!!.

 

99% of Vets will turn you away. In a business scense they have too and that is a fact! After all if they treat every animals presented without payment and then had to chase up payments later they will suffer and go out of business. They have overheads too. Most vets do though however volunteer their time to animals shelters, rehomers and wildlife carers. People don't always see this side of the coin.

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Our local vet allows you to pay things off, But then you have to make sure you do regular payments to keep them happy.

But the avian vet doesn't. Yes I can understand that a lot people probably do not pay after they promise they will, but I am not one of those people.

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SW can you please explain to me this bit, how dangeruous to the family.

Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

I Have nothing against vets at all but My avian vet is ony available Mondays only and sometime only fortnightly. And one time I desperatley needed to see my vet but had no money until the next day and they turned me away. Pay on the day or no service which I found very dissappointed as they will send medication to me in the mail which I pay straight away, but wouldn't see my bird I said I will pay tomorrow and that they trust me to pay for medication but don't trust me to pay the next day, unreal.

 

If you dose your birds or any animal, including people, unnecessarily with antibiotics you are at greater risk of creating a resistant superbug which can not be killed by antibiotics anymore. This resistant bug can be caught by you or your family and then you may not be able to treat yourself because the antibiotics will not work on these bugs any more. This is how MRSA(aka superbug) was created in hospitals.

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okay new that sorry, I do not treat my birds unless they are sick, I do the KISS method.

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SW can you please explain to me this bit, how dangeruous to the family.

Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

I Have nothing against vets at all but My avian vet is ony available Mondays only and sometime only fortnightly. And one time I desperatley needed to see my vet but had no money until the next day and they turned me away. Pay on the day or no service which I found very dissappointed as they will send medication to me in the mail which I pay straight away, but wouldn't see my bird I said I will pay tomorrow and that they trust me to pay for medication but don't trust me to pay the next day, unreal.

 

If you dose your birds or any animal, including people, unnecessarily with antibiotics you are at greater risk of creating a resistant superbug which can not be killed by antibiotics anymore. This resistant bug can be caught by you or your family and then you may not be able to treat yourself because the antibiotics will not work on these bugs any more. This is how MRSA(aka superbug) was created in hospitals.

 

 

thats just common sense thats not a danger to your family

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SW can you please explain to me this bit, how dangeruous to the family.

Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

I Have nothing against vets at all but My avian vet is ony available Mondays only and sometime only fortnightly. And one time I desperatley needed to see my vet but had no money until the next day and they turned me away. Pay on the day or no service which I found very dissappointed as they will send medication to me in the mail which I pay straight away, but wouldn't see my bird I said I will pay tomorrow and that they trust me to pay for medication but don't trust me to pay the next day, unreal.

 

If you dose your birds or any animal, including people, unnecessarily with antibiotics you are at greater risk of creating a resistant superbug which can not be killed by antibiotics anymore. This resistant bug can be caught by you or your family and then you may not be able to treat yourself because the antibiotics will not work on these bugs any more. This is how MRSA(aka superbug) was created in hospitals.

 

An oversimplification of the issue SW.

 

MRSA developed specifically from overtreatment of people including sublethal doses (people who do not finish the enitre course of anitbiotics) - direct exposure of that particular bacteria to substantial and prolonged antibiotic treatment. NO DIRECT link has been found from animal treatment with bacteria transferring from animals to humans NOT EVEN from food producing animals which pose a higher risk to human health from anitibiotic usage than pet animal treatment. In fact the finger has been pointed squarely at GP's over prescribing antibiotics particularly to children as posing a significant risk to human health.

 

Many of the antibiotics now used in food animals are different from those commonly used in human treatment SPECIFICALLY to reduce the risk to human health from resistant bacteria and new antibiotic registrations take this into account EXCEPT for pet antibiotic registrations where the risks to human health has been assessed by the WHO (World Health Organisation) as negligible at worst.

 

Many strains of bacteria and protazoa are host specific anyway - e.coli for example has many different strains some of which are specific to one animal but not another. Cocci is the same. There are SOME zoonotic diseases (diseases which can transfer between animals and humans) psitacosis is one - but they are relatively rare. The risk would be pretty low that a) a healthy person contracts a zoonotic disease, b ) contracts a strain of bacteria that is resistant to an antibiotic treatment and c) is resistant to all antibiotics registered for the treatment of that specific bacteria in human health.

 

Splat the risk to you and your family from treating your budgies with antibiotics is extremely limited even if you went berzerk and treated them like crazy.

 

Oh and my vet has allowed me staggered payment but only because I am a long standing customer who has on most occasions settled my bill immediately and the bill in question was over $1000, I have seen them turn away newer customers on the basis that they cannot pay immediately.

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so thanks for that nubbly 5

ive come to the conclusion that even if you are a vet salior you may need to study longer as almost everything you say has been incorrect

but each to their own you probably should stick to none bird variety though as i think if i was to really be nasty i could shoot almost everything you tried to make me look like i know nothing with down the heavy metal poisoning bit specifically

you may know books

but i know birds

 

so getting back to my hen

shes now been having calcium shots straight in to crop for few days

she looking heaps good although shes still for my liking bit thin but still eating

shes actually improved so im holding my fingers crossed i was right with the calcium deficiancy thing

ill try get picture latter for you if you would like

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If you dose your birds or any animal, including people, unnecessarily with antibiotics you are at greater risk of creating a resistant superbug which can not be killed by antibiotics anymore. This resistant bug can be caught by you or your family and then you may not be able to treat yourself because the antibiotics will not work on these bugs any more. This is how MRSA(aka superbug) was created in hospitals.

We all know this stuff ( this knowledge has been around for thirty years or more ) and also how it applies to humans .......like running to the docs every time someone has a sniffle etc.

I would say though, it isnt about UNNECESSARILY dosing as much as it is about EXCESSIVE dosing. HUGE HUGE difference.

Many of the more experienced breeders dont excessively dose birds at all opportunities as they know what you have said already and so many find the importance of a good immunity system being established in their birds a top priority.......they have to really as the birds hold a great deal of value to a show breeder.....both dollar value and value in each birds place in your breeding program. Many of the more experienced breeders have learnt to recognise the common and wider symptoms and illnesses and treat their birds based on day to day experience with their birds that quite frankly some vets dont have. We have medicine cabinets with all we need in case of emergencies. The vets rely on us relaying our observations when we take a bird in. Some vets are up to the task and other simply drop the ball. Too many times I have heard of vets who injected a bird with whatever for that bird to drop dead within 12 hours or less afterwards. What does that tell me ? I wont let a vet use a needle on my birds unless he is bloody sure it is necessary and not just guessing.

I know how to treat my birds for a wide range of illnesses and situations, my vet recognises this and he knows if I bring a bird in, its important we get it right between us, by good communication by me to him and good listening and his education and knowledge back to me and the bird in return

Good vets.........avian vets.........are hard to find.

We all do the best we can within our range of expertise, within our budgetary limitations, and with having to rely on vets at times who may drop the ball occasionally too.

When you find a good vet you stick to them.

My vet unfortunately is only available part of the week and that part of the week he is only available mornings, and these appointments are always booked out. Sometimes you cannot get to see him for ten days or more. There really are no other choices.

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so thanks for that nubbly 5

ive come to the conclusion that even if you are a vet salior you may need to study longer as almost everything you say has been incorrect

but each to their own you probably should stick to none bird variety though as i think if i was to really be nasty i could shoot almost everything you tried to make me look like i know nothing with down the heavy metal poisoning bit specifically

you may know books

but i know birds

 

so getting back to my hen

shes now been having calcium shots straight in to crop for few days

she looking heaps good although shes still for my liking bit thin but still eating

shes actually improved so im holding my fingers crossed i was right with the calcium deficiancy thing

ill try get picture latter for you if you would like

 

I apologise if I have offended people. It was not my intention.

 

I'm surprised that no one else here has stepped in to remove that comment of hers. As it is downright offensive and as stated in the forum rules, personal attacks are not acceptable.Forum rules for heated topics/discussions

 

And no nothing I have said has been wrong at all. You have just decided it was wrong becuase you don't want to follow the advice I have given you. And that is your choice but it is not fair of you to be so rude and slanderous.

I did not write it in a condescending tone, you just chose to read it that way.

 

The resistance thing was an oversimplification on purpose becuase i felt obliged to answer splat's question but I did not want to overly get into it.

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SW.........if you review and look at your answer to GB previously you were very demeaning to her yourself. I feel sure she is reacting to the way you put her down previously. I wont remove the last post of GBs as you have already had your say and it was very much along the same lines.

 

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.

Condescending. No attempt to find out what she was meaning to say.

I know you may not be able to afford it, but vets are often willing to work out a payment plan as they 'd prefer to get the animal better again than turn the animal away because you can not pay.

Judgemental about what someone can afford or not. Payment plans.......rare as rocking horse doo doo. What planet do you live on ??

I went over my post again to see if it was written in a harsh way and i do not feel that it was.

perception.......always about perception and if you are on the receiving end or the other.

 

 

SW, please dont drag up forum rules to support your cases when you have done similar things in this thread.

 

I am closing this thread now and GB can repost any updates on her bird if she feels so inclined.

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