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so my violet hen i breed in april is looking very not her self

two days ago i removed her from aviary and put in house

she was put onto sulffa as had iregular poo

but since is fine shes still on sulfa meds going her third day now however i have not seen her drink she is eatting fine

 

symptoms

okay shes was perching yesterday but having balancing issues

eating fine

drink well i have not seen her drink

she was on floor of cage this morning

shes still got normal poo normal everything to look at you would think shes is fine but she...s lethargic and sitting on my finger as we speak

shes she has grip with both feet yet is tending to look like shes very very minimally favoring her left side her right wing is held so slightly different if i didnt know my bird i would never of even thought she was not quiet right

she flys but with listlessness preferring to sit not fluffed but puffed if this makes sense on floor

any ideas welcome lack of vitamins , illness im open to any suggestions :thankyou:

shes my first worth while show quality hen self breed

thanks in advance

gb

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That's what my white DF spangle hen was like, but sorry GB have no idea. Are you sure she is eating and not just grinding the food, is there food in her crop?

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That's what my white DF spangle hen was like, but sorry GB have no idea. Are you sure she is eating and not just grinding the food, is there food in her crop?

shes eatting mate

she is life less though i can hold her no resistance

yet she can fly if had to

but wont

she can perch but is as of today prephering floor

and she seems to have her crop puffed out

herr tounge was swollen first day im sure of it

its weird

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sorry don't know, but my hen sounded similar and she was eating too , good luck with her :thankyou:

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sorry don't know, but my hen sounded similar and she was eating too , good luck with her :thankyou:

did yours die splat

and how long before she did

:)

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Sorry Gb but yes, I was devastated over it, She looked fine then she just got worse over a few days poos were normal the whole time. She ate well until the day before she died. She had plenty of weight on her body and keel until the day before she passed. i thought I killed her because of the heat in the hospital cage because she went it fine just not quite right and then after a few days it looked like she had a stroke as she couldn't balance probably. She looked like she was drunk. This hen was the full sister to my white boy and they both won champion cock and opposite sex adult birds in show at Riverina , so you can see how it devasated me. The judge at Ky said she was a beautiful hen but she palyed up that day and she was dead 6 weeks later.

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I have no real answers for you GB. I just want to say .............follow your instincts with this bird and you will have done the very best you can. :thankyou:

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I agree with Kaz, if you have any concerns, then you should do whatever you can to ensure that the bird is as well as could be.

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Yes I agree with Kaz and Dave, you know your birds better than anyone, So do and treat as best as possible, I think the sulpha is the right choice at the moment. Good luck Gb :thankyou:

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okay a little update

 

as i dont have a clue whats going on yet i do know shes not right she is inside in the landry its not cold but not overly different from outside flight

i was tossing up on weather to put her on to oxy b a antibiotic but then when i saw her eatting again relized her foot was stratng to stiffen to paralise

i also noticed yesterday her wing was dropped just a minor bit compared to normal

she seemed to be breathing slightly deeper to suggesting she was in some pain as eyes were closing with a little nod every so often

i rang a few breeders and splat it was suggested to me that she could be having a heart attach or stroke but im not sure this is case with her

shes just starting to have issues with balance and her foot grip

so i decided that before i go medicating to much and lowering her immune i will give her a dose of calcium mixed with glucose straight down her beak

so thats what i did

as i have not been able to find anybody with calcivet close by and im dead broke due to vet bills just payed for my dog that is now deceased

i crushed up half a tablet of my castrate and liquafided this

added the glucose and feed her a shot

ill let you know if any improvement i also put in some salt n minerals a cuttle bone a carrot seed and millit

as she is defendantly not sick just not right ,..she has just finished her 6 month molt which did take a lot from her and maybe calcium n mineral deficiency im thinking as was licked out of nest at 4 weeks had a bad cold for a bout a month i never had anything bar pvm and veggies cuttle bone and blocks available to her as chick but not all birds eat these things

so its worth the try i will give her more before bed and morn n night till Monday

see what happens

if worsens or other symptoms show i will straight put her onto oxyb then as its a pretty quick working effective antibacterial drug and only other thing i can think of is fungal in lungs ...

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I hope all goes well :)

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well apart from the foot lacking grip and her listlessness shes normal

i know that sounds like a contradiction but i dont know how else to put it

and thanks all :)

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I hope she gets better very soon GB :)

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thank you

still no change only i have put her onto a dose of oxy b

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My advice is to stop medicating her yourself. She needs to see a vet. These sulfas that I am guessing you are feeding the birds are sulphonamides? These will have very little use as there is huge resistance to them especially when used by themselves. The Oxyb stuff that you are using; is it licensed for use in birds? If not. do not use it. Even then this should only be used in animals under the supervision of a registered veterinarian both legally and responsibly. Do you know the dose rate? Too high a dose can result in toxicities that may worsen your bird's health or worse; kill it. Oxyb sounds like it is a tetracycline antibiotic. This antibiotic is really good at causing gastrointestinal upset, so I would not advise giving it or any antibiotic if she has had diarrhoea or any gastrointestinal problem.

What you are describing sounds neurological. She sounds far from normal to me. She sounds quite ill. She may have heavy metal poisoning which can not be cured by antibiotics and needs to be taken to a vet for this as only vets have the correct medication for heavy metal poisoning.

 

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.

 

You are doing right by giving her glucose. Keep giving her fluids and keep her very warm. A hot water bottle or heat lamp is definitely needed.

But the main thing is she needs to see a vet asap. I know you may not be able to afford it, but vets are often willing to work out a payment plan as they 'd prefer to get the animal better again than turn the animal away because you can not pay.

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My advice is to stop medicating her yourself. She needs to see a vet. These sulfas that I am guessing you are feeding the birds are sulphonamides? These will have very little use as there is huge resistance to them especially when used by themselves. The Oxyb stuff that you are using; is it licensed for use in birds? If not. do not use it. Even then this should only be used in animals under the supervision of a registered veterinarian both legally and responsibly. Do you know the dose rate? Too high a dose can result in toxicities that may worsen your bird's health or worse; kill it. Oxyb sounds like it is a tetracycline antibiotic. This antibiotic is really good at causing gastrointestinal upset, so I would not advise giving it or any antibiotic if she has had diarrhoea or any gastrointestinal problem.

What you are describing sounds neurological. She sounds far from normal to me. She sounds quite ill. She may have heavy metal poisoning which can not be cured by antibiotics and needs to be taken to a vet for this as only vets have the correct medication for heavy metal poisoning.

 

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.

 

You are doing right by giving her glucose. Keep giving her fluids and keep her very warm. A hot water bottle or heat lamp is definitely needed.

But the main thing is she needs to see a vet asap. I know you may not be able to afford it, but vets are often willing to work out a payment plan as they 'd prefer to get the animal better again than turn the animal away because you can not pay.

 

this is not a matter of money salior

i do know its nerv system

im not randomly medicating my bird i know exactly what im doing

their were a few things i had to rule out first before the trip to the vet

ive spoken to the vet and mate i took her in to be turned away when my bank card was denied access to moneys and the money was their just not able to clear till tomorrow

 

as far as meds and antibyotics goo i know you can give to much

my vet yesterday gave my sunconure a shot of vits and mild antibiotic when all he needed was hydrating as he was dehidrated i took him in to be looked at he decided to give a shot to boost him

he was dead in half hour after

i asked if it was needed and he said he will give just as a precaution as he was weak

i saw him deteriorate with in the ride home

and my poor boy died

if hed done what i knew needed he would be alive right now

 

 

 

my hen is not sick she does not have heavy metal poisoning she is either calcium defitiant or has had a stroke or hit here head flying their is no treatment for the last two mentioned only time can heel if at all

however she is not going to be put to sleep even if she does not recover as she is in no pain and can eat drink and move perch extra just not ever going to be able to join the flock

 

 

all medication was bird medication made for use for budgies

bar the calstrate CALCIUM

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.
sorry for my spelling im dislexic so and quiet often make imbaresing mistakes most dont pick them up and single them out they would try come to a guess of what i mean or pm and ask me rather than imbaress me more as you have done

 

IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN

ive saved animals of all kinds of specie that a vet has givin up on or refused to treat as to them it was not worth their effort as it would die anyhow

and they have called these creatures ive saved miracles

when really it was basic first aid and time knowledge i supplyed

 

to tell you truth vet told me i have done all i can possible with her bar put her on doxeyvet for two week course in which she needs not unless its respiratory in which it is not

 

and really after my most precious lose last night my faith in vets avian or not has diminished

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It seems you have interpreted my advice as a personal attack on you. It was not. I was giving advice to help the bird. If I was presented with this bird there would be so many things i would like to do for it and that can only be done with veterinary help. Ideally she should get radiographs and blood tests to determine what's going on.

this is not a matter of money salior

i do know its nerv system

im not randomly medicating my bird i know exactly what im doing

their were a few things i had to rule out first before the trip to the vet

ive spoken to the vet and mate i took her in to be turned away when my bank card was denied access to moneys and the money was their just not able to clear till tomorrow

 

as far as meds and antibyotics goo i know you can give to much

my vet yesterday gave my sunconure a shot of vits and mild antibiotic when all he needed was hydrating as he was dehidrated i took him in to be looked at he decided to give a shot to boost him

he was dead in half hour after

i asked if it was needed and he said he will give just as a precaution as he was weak

i saw him deteriorate with in the ride home

and my poor boy died

if hed done what i knew needed he would be alive right now

You do not know that. When birds present as sick they often die very soon after presenting. This is because they hide their symptoms as long as they can because they are prey animals. If he died that quickly after the vet clinic visit it is unlikely that fluids would have saved him.

How do you know he was dehydrated? Did you do a skin tent on him? Were his eyes sunken in? Did you do a PCV?

What was the shot that the vet gave to your bird?

 

 

my hen is not sick she does not have heavy metal poisoning she is either calcium defitiant or has had a stroke or hit here head flying their is no treatment for the last two mentioned only time can heel if at all

She certainly has some of the clinical signs of heavy metal poisoning - the neuro signs and the crop stasis and the GI problems. You can not rule out heavy metal poisoning without a blood test.

Calcium deficiency tends to result in muscle weakness, tremors and lethargy.

Birds don't often have strokes.

Trauma is a possibility

But then so are many things.

 

however she is not going to be put to sleep even if she does not recover as she is in no pain and can eat drink and move perch extra just not ever going to be able to join the flock

As long as you don't feel she is suffering then you don't need to put her to sleep.

 

all medication was bird medication made for use for budgies

bar the calstrate CALCIUM

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.
sorry for my spelling im dislexic so and quiet often make imbaresing mistakes most dont pick them up and single them out they would try come to a guess of what i mean or pm and ask me rather than imbaress me more as you have done

I'm sorry if I offended you. I did not mean to, but you can actually get castrate pills so I was wondering.

 

IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN

I have worked with some of the best avian vets and they work magic. They do exist. I feel though however you may have been jaded by your experiences. which when owning birds a sick bird that is sick enough to show signs of illness is often too sick to survive. I say often not always.

 

ive saved animals of all kinds of specie that a vet has givin up on or refused to treat as to them it was not worth their effort as it would die anyhow

and they have called these creatures ive saved miracles

when really it was basic first aid and time knowledge i supplyed

 

to tell you truth vet told me i have done all i can possible with her bar put her on doxeyvet for two week course in which she needs not unless its respiratory in which it is not

Well if you have done it under vet supervisoin that is fine. But you have to be careful as administering drugs to an animal without being a vet or having veterinary supervision is actually illegal. Even human doctors are not legally allowed to give drugs or medical attention to animals without the supervision of a vet.

 

and really after my most precious lose last night my faith in vets avian or not has diminished

I'm sad that you feel this way.

It seems that a lot of people don't realise the amount of work and thought and caring that actually go into veterinary medicine. Believe me it is not a walk in the park.

Had two trauma cases today. Was so sad. Had to try so hard to stop myself from giving them a big hug and pats to make them feel better.

 

I am sad that you interpreted my post as a personal attack as it was certainly not. I was giving my advice in the area. I went over my post again to see if it was written in a harsh way and i do not feel that it was. Giving antibiotics without a vet prescription is something I feel very strongly against, especially with sulphonamides and tetracyclines, because not only is it illegal but these drugs have huge resistances against them that cross over into the human world. Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

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Giving antibiotics without a vet prescription is something I feel very strongly against, especially with sulphonamides and tetracyclines, because not only is it illegal but these drugs have huge resistances against them that cross over into the human world. Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

Edit: On second thoughts I'd rather not say what I really want to say!

 

Good luck with her GB!

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It seems you have interpreted my advice as a personal attack on you. It was not. I was giving advice to help the bird. If I was presented with this bird there would be so many things i would like to do for it and that can only be done with veterinary help. Ideally she should get radiographs and blood tests to determine what's going on.
this is not a matter of money salior

i do know its nerv system

im not randomly medicating my bird i know exactly what im doing

their were a few things i had to rule out first before the trip to the vet

ive spoken to the vet and mate i took her in to be turned away when my bank card was denied access to moneys and the money was their just not able to clear till tomorrow

 

as far as meds and antibyotics goo i know you can give to much

my vet yesterday gave my sunconure a shot of vits and mild antibiotic when all he needed was hydrating as he was dehidrated i took him in to be looked at he decided to give a shot to boost him

he was dead in half hour after

i asked if it was needed and he said he will give just as a precaution as he was weak

i saw him deteriorate with in the ride home

and my poor boy died

if hed done what i knew needed he would be alive right now

You do not know that. When birds present as sick they often die very soon after presenting. This is because they hide their symptoms as long as they can because they are prey animals. If he died that quickly after the vet clinic visit it is unlikely that fluids would have saved him.

How do you know he was dehydrated? Did you do a skin tent on him? Were his eyes sunken in? Did you do a PCV?

What was the shot that the vet gave to your bird?

 

 

my hen is not sick she does not have heavy metal poisoning she is either calcium defitiant or has had a stroke or hit here head flying their is no treatment for the last two mentioned only time can heel if at all

She certainly has some of the clinical signs of heavy metal poisoning - the neuro signs and the crop stasis and the GI problems. You can not rule out heavy metal poisoning without a blood test.

Calcium deficiency tends to result in muscle weakness, tremors and lethargy.

Birds don't often have strokes.

Trauma is a possibility

But then so are many things.

 

however she is not going to be put to sleep even if she does not recover as she is in no pain and can eat drink and move perch extra just not ever going to be able to join the flock

As long as you don't feel she is suffering then you don't need to put her to sleep.

 

all medication was bird medication made for use for budgies

bar the calstrate CALCIUM

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.
sorry for my spelling im dislexic so and quiet often make imbaresing mistakes most dont pick them up and single them out they would try come to a guess of what i mean or pm and ask me rather than imbaress me more as you have done

I'm sorry if I offended you. I did not mean to, but you can actually get castrate pills so I was wondering.

 

IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN

 

I have worked with some of the best avian vets and they work magic. They do exist. I feel though however you may have been jaded by your experiences. which when owning birds a sick bird that is sick enough to show signs of illness is often too sick to survive. I say often not always.

 

ive saved animals of all kinds of specie that a vet has givin up on or refused to treat as to them it was not worth their effort as it would die anyhow

and they have called these creatures ive saved miracles

when really it was basic first aid and time knowledge i supplyed

 

to tell you truth vet told me i have done all i can possible with her bar put her on doxeyvet for two week course in which she needs not unless its respiratory in which it is not

Well if you have done it under vet supervisoin that is fine. But you have to be careful as administering drugs to an animal without being a vet or having veterinary supervision is actually illegal. Even human doctors are not legally allowed to give drugs or medical attention to animals without the supervision of a vet.

 

and really after my most precious lose last night my faith in vets avian or not has diminished

I'm sad that you feel this way.

It seems that a lot of people don't realise the amount of work and thought and caring that actually go into veterinary medicine. Believe me it is not a walk in the park.

Had two trauma cases today. Was so sad. Had to try so hard to stop myself from giving them a big hug and pats to make them feel better.

 

I am sad that you interpreted my post as a personal attack as it was certainly not. I was giving my advice in the area. I went over my post again to see if it was written in a harsh way and i do not feel that it was. Giving antibiotics without a vet prescription is something I feel very strongly against, especially with sulphonamides and tetracyclines, because not only is it illegal but these drugs have huge resistances against them that cross over into the human world. Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

sailor i did not take your post as a direct personal thing at all

i know you are a vet in the making

and i understand the importance of medicating animals

 

as far as my coniour was concerned yes his eyes were sunken and he was dehidrated you do not know the cercumstances your lucky i dont tell you to foff in his case..... but where this hen is concerned is difrent

i do not know what is wrong with her i have only administered what anyother breeder whom knows their birds would do

im not guessing on what i administer and im doing so in the right way

the bird is alive with no change and has been for over a week now

poisoning by heavy metal would have my hen showing signs of seizures and vomiting constipation and the incapability to balance along with other things related to this

if it was respiratory shed be dead by now with other birds in my flock just starting to show signs within last few days

if it was fungel again dead by now

 

and just so you know

IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN
I have worked with some of the best avian vets and they work magic. They do exist. I feel though however you may have been jaded by your experiences. which when owning birds a sick bird that is sick enough to show signs of illness is often too sick to survive. I say often not always.

these animals /birds were not sick just very badly injured in a vets eyes beyond repair in my eyes nothings beyond the best chance you can give it

 

as i said im no vet but im no idiot either

i know birds

i know animals

they are my world

 

so you can sit their in most of your posts and tell them to go and seek vet advice

and if you read around you will see i too do this

but in my case just know

im very capable to self diagnose my birds

and other pets of which i have many if i even feel i may be slightly wrong its straight to the vet

and together we work out the issue

or he will tell me straight up

 

my poor baby died and it was due to vet administering un needed vitamins n antibiotics to a clearly very dehydrated bird

he agreed with everything i had done and just decided instead of a simple shot of something like glucose retaining substance down his crop to help with energy to give him something un necessary as a precortion

with out weaighing my bird just a estimated guess on his behalf which ended up killing him

 

 

ive breed birds since i was 8 and im now 37 even when i didnt breed i was still learning about them and i believe i have same if not more knowledge than many the vets in my town

 

i never pretend to know more than i do or do i guess if i have no clue

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I just want to add a little something here. I have a very good avian vet. This vet has come to trust my knowledge of my own birds and respects my knowledge base on previously being a vet nurse years ago. This vet listens to me and discusses my birds with me and he listens to everything I say about my observations. Based on this trust issue between he and I he has stated he doesnt necessarily have to see a bird of mine to be able to dispense a flock treatment as he knows I recognise the right symptoms in my birds to ask for such things as Doxy or Ronivet etc.

 

 

The point it..once you find a vet who will listen to your knowledge base and enhance your treatment of the bird, you are on a winner.

 

Also, our "working knowledge "with our birds based on intense bird husbandry and one on one close experience with these birds is sometimes taken on face value as being valuable information by some avian vets and not just pushed aside as someone else knows better than you do about your own birds.

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I just want to add a little something here. I have a very good avian vet. This vet has come to trust my knowledge of my own birds and respects my knowledge base on previously being a vet nurse years ago. This vet listens to me and discusses my birds with me and he listens to everything I say about my observations. Based on this trust issue between he and I he has stated he doesnt necessarily have to see a bird of mine to be able to dispense a flock treatment as he knows I recognise the right symptoms in my birds to ask for such things as Doxy or Ronivet etc.

 

 

The point it..once you find a vet who will listen to your knowledge base and enhance your treatment of the bird, you are on a winner.

 

Also, our "working knowledge "with our birds based on intense bird husbandry and one on one close experience with these birds is sometimes taken on face value as being valuable information by some avian vets and not just pushed aside as someone else knows better than you do about your own birds.

 

 

yes kaz this is true my vet said that although not qualified as avian the amount of birds treated and seen and with other vets discussions and with the owners alive they get to recognize things that save others lives

this vet particulate has worked with the big birds at hillsville so i trust his judgment even if he has made a few mistakes he really has done what he feels right and infact gave me a more time and actually has saved more birds than the so called best avian vet in Melbourne so i think even if he has made a mistake here or their his recovery and correct diagnosis and lives saved is 99 percent so i actually prefer him to the avian vet

infact if he doesnt know whats going on he will ring and talk with one or send bird to him for veiwing at a cost of course but not a huge charge

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You know what. I am considering this being one of my very last posts ever in these budgie forums. Time and time again I have tried to help people only to be told to F off. Every time i come in to these medical forums I see someone bagging vets. It is really disheartening to read.

I also find it very offensive that you don't like to recognise that we have had at least 5 years of training and intense studying on medical workings of animals. And all avian vets have to sit a special exam inorder to be registered as an avian vet. Many vets are also involved in special interest branches and all vets are required to do continuing education to continue to be registered, yet you decide that they know nothing. I am also offended as I have a special interest in birds and have had birds since I was 11. I read up on special papers in birds and everything, and you have decided that I know nothing. I have been involved with these forums for a long time but because people have become so hating of vets on here I find it really unenjoyable to come on here.

 

It seems you have interpreted my advice as a personal attack on you. It was not. I was giving advice to help the bird. If I was presented with this bird there would be so many things i would like to do for it and that can only be done with veterinary help. Ideally she should get radiographs and blood tests to determine what's going on.
this is not a matter of money salior

i do know its nerv system

im not randomly medicating my bird i know exactly what im doing

their were a few things i had to rule out first before the trip to the vet

ive spoken to the vet and mate i took her in to be turned away when my bank card was denied access to moneys and the money was their just not able to clear till tomorrow

 

as far as meds and antibyotics goo i know you can give to much

my vet yesterday gave my sunconure a shot of vits and mild antibiotic when all he needed was hydrating as he was dehidrated i took him in to be looked at he decided to give a shot to boost him

he was dead in half hour after

i asked if it was needed and he said he will give just as a precaution as he was weak

i saw him deteriorate with in the ride home

and my poor boy died

if hed done what i knew needed he would be alive right now

You do not know that. When birds present as sick they often die very soon after presenting. This is because they hide their symptoms as long as they can because they are prey animals. If he died that quickly after the vet clinic visit it is unlikely that fluids would have saved him.

How do you know he was dehydrated? Did you do a skin tent on him? Were his eyes sunken in? Did you do a PCV?

What was the shot that the vet gave to your bird?

 

 

my hen is not sick she does not have heavy metal poisoning she is either calcium defitiant or has had a stroke or hit here head flying their is no treatment for the last two mentioned only time can heel if at all

She certainly has some of the clinical signs of heavy metal poisoning - the neuro signs and the crop stasis and the GI problems. You can not rule out heavy metal poisoning without a blood test.

Calcium deficiency tends to result in muscle weakness, tremors and lethargy.

Birds don't often have strokes.

Trauma is a possibility

But then so are many things.

 

however she is not going to be put to sleep even if she does not recover as she is in no pain and can eat drink and move perch extra just not ever going to be able to join the flock

As long as you don't feel she is suffering then you don't need to put her to sleep.

 

all medication was bird medication made for use for budgies

bar the calstrate CALCIUM

What was this 'castrate' pill you crushed up and gave to her? The word 'castrate' is a verb which means to remove the testicles from a male animal, so I don't think that is right.
sorry for my spelling im dislexic so and quiet often make imbaresing mistakes most dont pick them up and single them out they would try come to a guess of what i mean or pm and ask me rather than imbaress me more as you have done

I'm sorry if I offended you. I did not mean to, but you can actually get castrate pills so I was wondering.

 

IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN

 

I have worked with some of the best avian vets and they work magic. They do exist. I feel though however you may have been jaded by your experiences. which when owning birds a sick bird that is sick enough to show signs of illness is often too sick to survive. I say often not always.

 

ive saved animals of all kinds of specie that a vet has givin up on or refused to treat as to them it was not worth their effort as it would die anyhow

and they have called these creatures ive saved miracles

when really it was basic first aid and time knowledge i supplyed

 

to tell you truth vet told me i have done all i can possible with her bar put her on doxeyvet for two week course in which she needs not unless its respiratory in which it is not

Well if you have done it under vet supervisoin that is fine. But you have to be careful as administering drugs to an animal without being a vet or having veterinary supervision is actually illegal. Even human doctors are not legally allowed to give drugs or medical attention to animals without the supervision of a vet.

 

and really after my most precious lose last night my faith in vets avian or not has diminished

I'm sad that you feel this way.

It seems that a lot of people don't realise the amount of work and thought and caring that actually go into veterinary medicine. Believe me it is not a walk in the park.

Had two trauma cases today. Was so sad. Had to try so hard to stop myself from giving them a big hug and pats to make them feel better.

 

I am sad that you interpreted my post as a personal attack as it was certainly not. I was giving my advice in the area. I went over my post again to see if it was written in a harsh way and i do not feel that it was. Giving antibiotics without a vet prescription is something I feel very strongly against, especially with sulphonamides and tetracyclines, because not only is it illegal but these drugs have huge resistances against them that cross over into the human world. Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

sailor i did not take your post as a direct personal thing at all

i know you are a vet in the making

and i understand the importance of medicating animals

 

as far as my coniour was concerned yes his eyes were sunken and he was dehidrated you do not know the cercumstances your lucky i dont tell you to foff in his case..... but where this hen is concerned is difrent

 

This is very offensive to me especially when I was trying to help you. And you do not know the decisions that the vet made or the medical knowledge and background he was calling on.

 

i do not know what is wrong with her i have only administered what anyother breeder whom knows their birds would do

im not guessing on what i administer and im doing so in the right way

the bird is alive with no change and has been for over a week now

poisoning by heavy metal would have my hen showing signs of seizures and vomiting constipation and the incapability to balance along with other things related to this

 

No. Heavy metal poisoning does not always result in seizures or vomiting or constipation. There are different kinds of metal each with different effects and each case presenting differently.

 

if it was respiratory shed be dead by now with other birds in my flock just starting to show signs within last few days

 

No. Respiratory infections are not an automatic death sentence at all. I was just working with a cockatoo who has had a very chronic case of respiratory infection and is doing well. Infact i have seen many cases where respiratory infections are treated successfully.

 

if it was fungel again dead by now

 

Again No. Aspergillosis is a very common fungal infection in caged and hospitalised birds and is easily treatable.

 

and just so you know
IM NOT A VET BY PAPER NOR DO I CLAM TO KNOW AS MUCH AS ONE BUT I HAVE SAVED MORE BIRDS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEM THAN ANY VET I KNOW AT TIMES THEIR HAVE TOLD ME THAT ITS GOT NO HOPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN
I have worked with some of the best avian vets and they work magic. They do exist. I feel though however you may have been jaded by your experiences. which when owning birds a sick bird that is sick enough to show signs of illness is often too sick to survive. I say often not always.

these animals /birds were not sick just very badly injured in a vets eyes beyond repair in my eyes nothings beyond the best chance you can give it

 

as i said im no vet but im no idiot either

i know birds

i know animals

they are my world

And what do you think I am? I have loved animals my whole life and had pets my whole life. That is why I decided to choose this career path because I wanted to work with animals constantly and help them and their owners.

 

so you can sit their in most of your posts and tell them to go and seek vet advice

and if you read around you will see i too do this

but in my case just know

im very capable to self diagnose my birds

and other pets of which i have many if i even feel i may be slightly wrong its straight to the vet

and together we work out the issue

or he will tell me straight up

I am telling you straight up

 

my poor baby died and it was due to vet administering un needed vitamins n antibiotics to a clearly very dehydrated bird

he agreed with everything i had done and just decided instead of a simple shot of something like glucose retaining substance down his crop to help with energy to give him something un necessary as a precortion

with out weaighing my bird just a estimated guess on his behalf which ended up killing him

So if you felt so strongly that she needed fluids why did you not ask for them?

 

ive breed birds since i was 8 and im now 37 even when i didnt breed i was still learning about them and i believe i have same if not more knowledge than many the vets in my town

 

i never pretend to know more than i do or do i guess if i have no clue

 

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Well if you believe you know more than the vets in your town why don't you take the avian veterinarian exams and become one then?

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Nothings changed has it.......... :rolleyes:

 

Sailorwolf....are you using the "ROYAL" WE when you say we in relation to talking vets

 

or

 

are you a vet now ?

 

or how long do you have to do to become one ?

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SW can you please explain to me this bit, how dangeruous to the family.

Essentially by dosing your bird with tetracylcine unnessecarily you are putting yourself and your family at risk as well.

 

I Have nothing against vets at all but My avian vet is ony available Mondays only and sometime only fortnightly. And one time I desperatley needed to see my vet but had no money until the next day and they turned me away. Pay on the day or no service which I found very dissappointed as they will send medication to me in the mail which I pay straight away, but wouldn't see my bird I said I will pay tomorrow and that they trust me to pay for medication but don't trust me to pay the next day, unreal.

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So many times I see people say a vet will allow you to make a payment arrangement... I dont know of a single vet who will do this. Some even keep your pets there like a hostage until you find the money and by the time you have the bill has gone up some more due to boarding fees.

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