starlina 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,234 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 35 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I hate to start my first post this way, but I am frantic. I've had my young 3 to 5 month old budgies for about 4 weeks now. They have been doing great, till this morning. On Tuesday evening, late, an aquaintence came over with her son and wanted to finger hold the budgies. I saw no harm in that. Afterwards, she tells me they have been "playing" with fire belly frogs, letting them crawl all over their hands. They held my birds without washing their hands. On Friday morning both my birds were on the bottom of the cage, feather's ruffled, sneezing, very sick, lathargic and didn't resist my picking them up. My vet doesn't treat birds and the nearest one she suggested lives an hours drive away and I don't have an account with him. I am a college student on grants and loans, so a new vet is impossible at the moment. It may not have been the frogs, but I don't know. I keep the air conditioner on 75 so it doesn't get to cold, they are not in a draft, but the fan was on in the living room all night, but their cage was wrapped with two folded sheets. I did let them sit in the window sill Monday and Tuesday for an hour or so, but it was 90some degrees outside and humid. They loved hearing and seeing the other birds. Anyway, I've been keeping them warm with little bottles of hot water in socks, kept most of the cage covered with a sheet, and have been very quiet today. I have Doxycycline Hyclate 100mg from the vet that was for my dog (who had to be put to sleep due to cancer two months ago). If I dilute this in 8 oz of water and use an eyedroper to give it to my birds, will it help? Do I have a chance of saving my new little budgies? I don't want to loose them. Link to comment
Dellouisa 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,185 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 230 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 17, 2018 Birthday: 06/01/1958 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I hate to start my first post this way, but I am frantic. I've had my young 3 to 5 month old budgies for about 4 weeks now. They have been doing great, till this morning. On Tuesday evening, late, an aquaintence came over with her son and wanted to finger hold the budgies. I saw no harm in that. Afterwards, she tells me they have been "playing" with fire belly frogs, letting them crawl all over their hands. They held my birds without washing their hands. On Friday morning both my birds were on the bottom of the cage, feather's ruffled, sneezing, very sick, lathargic and didn't resist my picking them up. My vet doesn't treat birds and the nearest one she suggested lives an hours drive away and I don't have an account with him. I am a college student on grants and loans, so a new vet is impossible at the moment. It may not have been the frogs, but I don't know. I keep the air conditioner on 75 so it doesn't get to cold, they are not in a draft, but the fan was on in the living room all night, but their cage was wrapped with two folded sheets. I did let them sit in the window sill Monday and Tuesday for an hour or so, but it was 90some degrees outside and humid. They loved hearing and seeing the other birds. Anyway, I've been keeping them warm with little bottles of hot water in socks, kept most of the cage covered with a sheet, and have been very quiet today. I have Doxycycline Hyclate 100mg from the vet that was for my dog (who had to be put to sleep due to cancer two months ago). If I dilute this in 8 oz of water and use an eyedroper to give it to my birds, will it help? Do I have a chance of saving my new little budgies? I don't want to loose them. Do these frogs excrete a toxin? Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Sorry you have to start your first post this way. Don't put ANYTHING in their water unless you have experience with it or your vet gives the okay. The frogs could well be the cause but I'm not so sure. Put them in a smaller cage with a heat lamp, water and food. Budgies don't get this way until they are about to die so I'd put them in the car and drive as fast as you can to the nearest avian vet!!!! You can work out a payment plan with the vet afterwards. Unless you get to an avian vet, your chances of saving them are VERY slim and even then it might be hard to save them. The longer you wait, the less time you have. Link to comment
starlina 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 6,234 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 35 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Do these frogs excrete a toxin?From what the internet says, The salts on our skin will hurt your toad and can be fatal. <LI>Their oils are slightly toxic and can cause a rash. <LI>Fire bellied toads are known to become extremely excited when touched by a human. They are not meant to be touched. <LI>Only handle the toad when cleaning the tank. Use latex gloves to take it out and put it in a moist container.Sorry you have to start your first post this way. Don't put ANYTHING in their water unless you have experience with it or your vet gives the okay. The frogs could well be the cause but I'm not so sure. Put them in a smaller cage with a heat lamp, water and food. Budgies don't get this way until they are about to die so I'd put them in the car and drive as fast as you can to the nearest avian vet!!!! You can work out a payment plan with the vet afterwards. Unless you get to an avian vet, your chances of saving them are VERY slim and even then it might be hard to save them. The longer you wait, the less time you have.I am sorry, but thought it would be understood. I don't have a car that will go to a vet in columbus - i could get to the vet here, but not that far away. and even if i could get there, I can't pay them. I read on the internet that Bird Biotic (Doxycycline Hyclate) 100mg (100 Capsules)is used for the control of non-specific systemic and local bacterial infections in pet birds, exotic gamebirds or racing pigeons. Directions for use: Add the contents of one capsule (100 mg) to 8 ounces of drinking water. Make a fresh solution daily. Continue for 7-10 days. If my birds have a bacterial infection, then would the Doxycycline Hyclate 100mg that the vet gave to my dog be the same compound? Edited August 20, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
anne101 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 5,199 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 941 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,680 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) PLease don't use any medication that is not intended for birds.I'm sorry I don't have enough experience to advise you what to do in this situation, but I would not give any meds at this stage.If you have a lamp with a normal globe you need to bring them indoors if they are not already and turn the lamp on close to the cage (without the shade) cover them on all sides except where the lamp is and keep it quiet....Make sure they have seed and water.A more experienced member will be on at some stage today and advise with more knowledge..Good luck mate... Sorry just read that you can use the meds for birds, but don't self diagnose for now.... Edited August 20, 2010 by anne101 Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted August 20, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Well it seems you wont be able to get these birds to a vet. If what you read about the meds is correct, ( and I have looked it up too ) I would then take that chance rather than nothing. I say go for it, as well as the warmth. If the issue is something other than poisoning from the frogs you might see a result. If its poisoning from the frogs there is likely nothing you can do. http://www.healthypets.com/bibidhy101ta.html Edited August 20, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
starlina 0 Posted August 21, 2010 Member ID: 6,234 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 35 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Well it seems you wont be able to get these birds to a vet. If what you read about the meds is correct, ( and I have looked it up too ) I would then take that chance rather than nothing. I say go for it, as well as the warmth. If the issue is something other than poisoning from the frogs you might see a result. If its poisoning from the frogs there is likely nothing you can do. http://www.healthypets.com/bibidhy101ta.html I am going to do what it said to do, seems as if there is no other choice. Hope something is on my side. I do love my budgies so. I just wish I knew how much of that compound they need to ingest per day, so i could make sure they do. will let you know what the out come is in a week or so. sigh....................... Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted August 21, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted August 21, 2010 (edited) Well it seems you wont be able to get these birds to a vet. If what you read about the meds is correct, ( and I have looked it up too ) I would then take that chance rather than nothing. I say go for it, as well as the warmth. If the issue is something other than poisoning from the frogs you might see a result. If its poisoning from the frogs there is likely nothing you can do. http://www.healthypets.com/bibidhy101ta.html I am going to do what it said to do, seems as if there is no other choice. Hope something is on my side. I do love my budgies so. I just wish I knew how much of that compound they need to ingest per day, so i could make sure they do. will let you know what the out come is in a week or so. sigh....................... if your going to try the doxiline then drip the mixed solution on to top of beak let it roll in have you tried to give salt warm water to get rid of any toxins the frogs may of given off onto the boys hands and transferred to birds the salt will help travel through body quick maybe save them but thats just a thing i would try from my knowledge not actually a promised treatment so but id try anything that being one thing doxline m yea second thing nbut also last resort Edited August 21, 2010 by GenericBlue Link to comment
starlina 0 Posted August 21, 2010 Member ID: 6,234 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 35 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 A sick budgie update. I did start the doxiline last night, with an eye dropper and mixed it in their water as the doxiline website directed. They are still alive, not as lathargic, ate seed and brocolli this morning. They are chirping some to bird songs off of youtube. The bluest birds dropping was black with a smidge of white and a bit wetter than usual. Should I still try salt water? If so, how much salt to water mixture? I am off to buy more seed sprays this morning and new Eco bedding. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted August 21, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Good to hear they are felling better. Fingers crossed for ongoing improvement Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted August 22, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted August 22, 2010 well if the docxiline working i guess not and as for salt water it just flushes system out for a day i just use a tea soon in half cup then just seringe a bit down beak not much but i would say dont stress them any more with it if they seeming better Link to comment
birdluv 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Member ID: 2,137 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,842 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,670 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/03/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 30, 2018 Birthday: 06/04/1978 Share Posted August 27, 2010 How are you budgies doing? Link to comment
starlina 0 Posted August 9, 2013 Member ID: 6,234 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 35 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Three years later and my little blue budgie is well and singing. The doxycycline hyclate worked. Sorry for the late update. Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted August 11, 2013 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Wow, that WAS a long time waiting for an answer l.o.l. !! glad it worked and even though it's an old post someone in trouble with their bird may benefit from it. Link to comment
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