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Hi all. Been lurking around the forum for a few months now, digesting information.

 

Have decided to get back into budgies now I'm retired. Last time I bred them I was about 14 (a long time ago), put some nesting boxes in the aviary and let them go for their lives.

 

Would like to be a little more scientific now. To that end I have "inherited" some birds from a friend. Could you help with mutations etc?

 

I believe the first two are about three years old and the others about one year.

 

budgies-20100601-005a.jpg

 

budgies-20100601-003a.jpg

 

Budgies-25042010-012a.jpg

 

Budgies-25042010-015a.jpg

 

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.jpg

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Paul

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I'll have a go.

1# Grey opaline

2#Yellow face type 2 rec pied

3#Yellow face type2 cobalt

4#Spangle? Rec pied

5# Rec or Dom pied

These are just a guess, based on my limited knowledge. Listen to what others have to say before taking me at my word.

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I'll have a go.

1# Grey opaline

2#Yellow face type 2 rec pied

3#Yellow face type2 cobalt

4#Spangle? Rec pied

5# Rec or Dom pied

These are just a guess, based on my limited knowledge. Listen to what others have to say before taking me at my word.

 

 

 

five is DF dom pied

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My guess is

 

1 A Grey Normal could be opaline but cannot tell without seeing the back of the bird. Looks like it could be a dark grey.

2 YF Cobalt Recessive Pied

3 YF Sky normal

4 Grey Green Recessive Pied could be cinnamon but hard to tell

5 Sky Recessive

 

Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance

 

At a guess from photos posted

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Did I get them right, appart from the DF dom pied? I've never actually seen one before.

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5 Sky Recessive

 

Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance

 

At a guess from photos posted

 

Number 5 is a DF dom pied not recessive......

 

and proof is in this photo as well .....see iris rings Budgies-25042010-012a.jpg

 

I didnt need to see the iris rings ...the fact it was DF dom is obvious.

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5 Sky Recessive

 

Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance

 

At a guess from photos posted

 

Number 5 is a DF dom pied not recessive......

 

and proof is in this photo as well .....see iris rings Budgies-25042010-012a.jpg

 

I didnt need to see the iris rings ...the fact it was DF dom is obvious.

 

Yep your right there Kaz. I missed that other picture with the bird there opps you can also see the cere starting to blue up. Your right dom Pied. Have to get my eyes tested

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what ?????????

 

why are you all saying grey?

this bird is obviously blue!

 

budgies-20100601-005a.jpg

 

and cobalt too!

and i think it may be opaline

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well im sorry to say

but number 2 the rec pied cobalt is a df Australian yellow face cock

the hen number three is a australian yf single factor hen skyblue if you ask me not cobalt

number one is a grey opaline by looks id say from a cobalt pairent

the rec pied im going to leave that one not good enough picture for me to judge

you have a grey df dom as kaz said

and they are very nice birds to start with lots of combos you can get

:D

 

alpaca .... this is what i call a blue grey

a cobalt grey bird

a grey bird breed from blue birds or a grey x cobalt pairing they hold a blue shine

some hold violet

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thanks GB for the info

 

i thought i was going colour blind their for a miunte, as everyone was saying grey

but i could clearly see a cobalt there

 

so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt

 

well its pretty thats fo sure

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so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt

 

No it isnt blue its grey :D

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so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt

 

No it isnt blue its grey :D

kaz is right its grey but its a blue grey im really not going to try explain myself as everytime i do i just end up looking stupid

all i will say though is

that i class my blue grey birds in a diffrent class to my greys but this is only as if i was to breed a blue grey to a cobalt or sky blue i would more than likeley get blue birds and one or two greys

and i dont want to breed blue greys into my albinos just grey birds with grey cheek patches for that

if a grey bird has blue slate cheek patches and even if its darkgrey with no blue sufushion

it stays away from my albinos

 

no one here seems to understand what i mean when i try to go in depth on this grey blue bird thing so

im not going to bother but dean explaind it quiet well on the thread someone asked about maves and greys

it was alpaca or you i think who asked not sure anymore

but read that it explains it exactly

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Hi all. Been lurking around the forum for a few months now, digesting information.

 

Have decided to get back into budgies now I'm retired. Last time I bred them I was about 14 (a long time ago), put some nesting boxes in the aviary and let them go for their lives.

 

Would like to be a little more scientific now. To that end I have "inherited" some birds from a friend. Could you help with mutations etc?

 

I believe the first two are about three years old and the others about one year.

 

budgies-20100601-005a.jpg

 

It is an opaline grey cock, but a very BLUE colour showing through. May well be a violet grey or a mauve grey, even the cheek patches look bluer than usual for greys.

 

budgies-20100601-003a.jpg

Inlcined to agree with GB on this one. DF australian YF recessive pied cobalt cock - looks like a SF violet cobalt at that.

 

Budgies-25042010-012a.jpg

Again this is a stronger yellow than the usual YF2. I would be inclined to say SF australian YF sky blue hen.

 

Budgies-25042010-015a.jpg

 

Grey green recessive pied, looks to be greywing or cinnamon - some sort of diluting factor there anyway. Looks to be a cock but the cere is rather ambiguous.

 

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.jpg

 

This is clearly recessive - pink feet, bright orange beak, no iris rings. However it would appear there is also either a double or single factor of dom pied in there as well - making it a combination pied. Looks to be cobalt under all that pied and a male at that.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Paul

Edited by Dean_NZ

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1/ Opaline grey male

 

2/ Yellow face recessive pied violet male

 

3/ Yellow face cobalt female

 

4/ Opaline cinnamon recessive pied male

 

4/ Double factor dominant pied male (it is possible that this is a dominant pied & recessive pied combination)

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http://i767.Photobucket.Com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.Jpg

 

this is clearly recessive - pink feet, bright orange beak, no iris rings. However it would appear there is also either a double or single factor of dom pied in there as well - making it a combination pied. Looks to be cobalt under all that pied and a male at that.

 

thanks in advance,

 

paul

 

 

 

looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had Paul

Heres two of mine I once had

Atlas A1035x.jpg

 

Max AXX040x.jpg

 

you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other.

 

They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue.

 

Heres another members DF dom pied 4birds-2.jpg

and another DFDPRight.jpg

 

and showing the iris ring in one eye DFDPRightCloseup.jpg

 

and not in the other DFDP.jpg

Edited by KAZ

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Always fun to have everyone weigh in and share opinions! You get the idea though :angel: Hehehe

 

Good post by the way, Kaz :angel:

Edited by Dean_NZ

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well everyones right about everything

and me and dean well i think we got the yf area covered

i have breed them in pet type for 4 years now so

i think i can tell one in picture and in person by now

also i too did think the rec could have held violet factor dean but you dont know really from picture that as coulor of cobalt and violet in photo does change with the blue colour

 

all beautifu;l regardless though

that was good post kaz

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Thanks all for your input. I'm amazed at the technicality of it all.

 

The "grey/blue" cock looks more grey in natural light but more blue in photos.

 

Anyway now to study the likely outcomes of various pairings, and await the warmer weather.

 

 

Paul

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looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had Paul

Heres two of mine I once had

Atlas A1035x.jpg

 

Max AXX040x.jpg

 

you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other.

 

They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue.

 

I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied).

 

Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds.......

 

IMG_7511.jpg

 

IMG_7512a.jpg

 

I have a couple more exactly the same.

 

SJW

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looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had Paul

Heres two of mine I once had

Atlas A1035x.jpg

 

Max AXX040x.jpg

 

you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other.

 

They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue.

 

I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied).

 

Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds.......

 

IMG_7511.jpg

 

IMG_7512a.jpg

 

I have a couple more exactly the same.

 

SJW

interesting :P

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sorry thats a dom pie

the combination part just means its split to rec pied

the thing is if you breed a dom split rec pied to rec pied you get doms and rececives

and normal split rececives

the only way to tell a dom and a rec from dom rec pairing the dom being split is the chick will either get iris ring or it wont

same as dom split rec paired to normal split rec pied you get doms

and rec pied with only the iris ring to tell diffrents at times as the pied markings are verigated

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looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had Paul

Heres two of mine I once had

Atlas A1035x.jpg

 

Max AXX040x.jpg

 

you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other.

 

They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue.

 

I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied).

 

Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds.......

 

IMG_7511.jpg

 

IMG_7512a.jpg

 

I have a couple more exactly the same.

 

SJW

 

SJW you state the birds pictured are from the pairing of a dom pied and a recessive pied. Such a pairing can only produce dom pieds that are then split recessive. So if these birds whose pictures you have put up are the result of such a pairing they are dom pieds and not combination pieds.

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