jpb 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 6,043 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 20 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 15, 2018 Birthday: 26/01/1951 Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) Hi all. Been lurking around the forum for a few months now, digesting information. Have decided to get back into budgies now I'm retired. Last time I bred them I was about 14 (a long time ago), put some nesting boxes in the aviary and let them go for their lives. Would like to be a little more scientific now. To that end I have "inherited" some birds from a friend. Could you help with mutations etc? I believe the first two are about three years old and the others about one year. http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.jpg Thanks in advance, Paul Edited June 4, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll have a go. 1# Grey opaline 2#Yellow face type 2 rec pied 3#Yellow face type2 cobalt 4#Spangle? Rec pied 5# Rec or Dom pied These are just a guess, based on my limited knowledge. Listen to what others have to say before taking me at my word. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll have a go.1# Grey opaline 2#Yellow face type 2 rec pied 3#Yellow face type2 cobalt 4#Spangle? Rec pied 5# Rec or Dom pied These are just a guess, based on my limited knowledge. Listen to what others have to say before taking me at my word. five is DF dom pied Link to comment
brumbyracer 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,828 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 265 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 5, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2010 My guess is 1 A Grey Normal could be opaline but cannot tell without seeing the back of the bird. Looks like it could be a dark grey. 2 YF Cobalt Recessive Pied 3 YF Sky normal 4 Grey Green Recessive Pied could be cinnamon but hard to tell 5 Sky Recessive Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance At a guess from photos posted Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Did I get them right, appart from the DF dom pied? I've never actually seen one before. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) 5 Sky Recessive Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance At a guess from photos posted Number 5 is a DF dom pied not recessive...... and proof is in this photo as well .....see iris rings I didnt need to see the iris rings ...the fact it was DF dom is obvious. Edited June 4, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
brumbyracer 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,828 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 265 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 5, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2010 5 Sky Recessive Recessive pieds dont get the white iris rings in the eye so if any of the pieds have iris rings they would be dominant pieds. Some DF doms look a lot like recessives at first glance At a guess from photos posted Number 5 is a DF dom pied not recessive...... and proof is in this photo as well .....see iris rings I didnt need to see the iris rings ...the fact it was DF dom is obvious. Yep your right there Kaz. I missed that other picture with the bird there opps you can also see the cere starting to blue up. Your right dom Pied. Have to get my eyes tested Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Share Posted June 4, 2010 what ????????? why are you all saying grey? this bird is obviously blue! and cobalt too! and i think it may be opaline Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) well im sorry to say but number 2 the rec pied cobalt is a df Australian yellow face cock the hen number three is a australian yf single factor hen skyblue if you ask me not cobalt number one is a grey opaline by looks id say from a cobalt pairent the rec pied im going to leave that one not good enough picture for me to judge you have a grey df dom as kaz said and they are very nice birds to start with lots of combos you can get alpaca .... this is what i call a blue grey a cobalt grey bird a grey bird breed from blue birds or a grey x cobalt pairing they hold a blue shine some hold violet Edited June 4, 2010 by GenericBlue Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Share Posted June 4, 2010 thanks GB for the info i thought i was going colour blind their for a miunte, as everyone was saying grey but i could clearly see a cobalt there so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt well its pretty thats fo sure Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 4, 2010 so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt No it isnt blue its grey Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 4, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 4, 2010 so what your saying is that it has greay factor but is a cobalt No it isnt blue its grey kaz is right its grey but its a blue grey im really not going to try explain myself as everytime i do i just end up looking stupid all i will say though is that i class my blue grey birds in a diffrent class to my greys but this is only as if i was to breed a blue grey to a cobalt or sky blue i would more than likeley get blue birds and one or two greys and i dont want to breed blue greys into my albinos just grey birds with grey cheek patches for that if a grey bird has blue slate cheek patches and even if its darkgrey with no blue sufushion it stays away from my albinos no one here seems to understand what i mean when i try to go in depth on this grey blue bird thing so im not going to bother but dean explaind it quiet well on the thread someone asked about maves and greys it was alpaca or you i think who asked not sure anymore but read that it explains it exactly Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted June 5, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Hi all. Been lurking around the forum for a few months now, digesting information. Have decided to get back into budgies now I'm retired. Last time I bred them I was about 14 (a long time ago), put some nesting boxes in the aviary and let them go for their lives. Would like to be a little more scientific now. To that end I have "inherited" some birds from a friend. Could you help with mutations etc? I believe the first two are about three years old and the others about one year. It is an opaline grey cock, but a very BLUE colour showing through. May well be a violet grey or a mauve grey, even the cheek patches look bluer than usual for greys. Inlcined to agree with GB on this one. DF australian YF recessive pied cobalt cock - looks like a SF violet cobalt at that. Again this is a stronger yellow than the usual YF2. I would be inclined to say SF australian YF sky blue hen. Grey green recessive pied, looks to be greywing or cinnamon - some sort of diluting factor there anyway. Looks to be a cock but the cere is rather ambiguous. http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.jpg This is clearly recessive - pink feet, bright orange beak, no iris rings. However it would appear there is also either a double or single factor of dom pied in there as well - making it a combination pied. Looks to be cobalt under all that pied and a male at that. Thanks in advance, Paul Edited June 5, 2010 by Dean_NZ Link to comment
Neville 0 Posted June 5, 2010 Member ID: 4,610 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,640 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 09/12/1940 Share Posted June 5, 2010 1/ Opaline grey male 2/ Yellow face recessive pied violet male 3/ Yellow face cobalt female 4/ Opaline cinnamon recessive pied male 4/ Double factor dominant pied male (it is possible that this is a dominant pied & recessive pied combination) Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 5, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) http://i767.Photobucket.Com/albums/xx318/j...25042010019.Jpg this is clearly recessive - pink feet, bright orange beak, no iris rings. However it would appear there is also either a double or single factor of dom pied in there as well - making it a combination pied. Looks to be cobalt under all that pied and a male at that. thanks in advance, paul looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had Paul Heres two of mine I once had Atlas Max you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other. They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue. Heres another members DF dom pied and another and showing the iris ring in one eye and not in the other Edited June 5, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted June 5, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Always fun to have everyone weigh in and share opinions! You get the idea though :angel: Hehehe Good post by the way, Kaz :angel: Edited June 5, 2010 by Dean_NZ Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 6, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 6, 2010 well everyones right about everything and me and dean well i think we got the yf area covered i have breed them in pet type for 4 years now so i think i can tell one in picture and in person by now also i too did think the rec could have held violet factor dean but you dont know really from picture that as coulor of cobalt and violet in photo does change with the blue colour all beautifu;l regardless though that was good post kaz Link to comment
jpb 0 Posted June 7, 2010 Member ID: 6,043 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 20 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 15, 2018 Birthday: 26/01/1951 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 Thanks all for your input. I'm amazed at the technicality of it all. The "grey/blue" cock looks more grey in natural light but more blue in photos. Anyway now to study the likely outcomes of various pairings, and await the warmer weather. Paul Link to comment
SJW 0 Posted June 11, 2010 Member ID: 3,791 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 143 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 840 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 13, 2014 Birthday: 24/08/1976 Share Posted June 11, 2010 looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had PaulHeres two of mine I once had Atlas Max you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other. They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue. I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied). Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds....... I have a couple more exactly the same. SJW Link to comment
rachelm 0 Posted June 11, 2010 Member ID: 6,042 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 740 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,045 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2014 Birthday: 15/06/1977 Share Posted June 11, 2010 looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had PaulHeres two of mine I once had Atlas Max you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other. They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue. I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied). Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds....... I have a couple more exactly the same. SJW interesting Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 11, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 11, 2010 (edited) sorry thats a dom pie the combination part just means its split to rec pied the thing is if you breed a dom split rec pied to rec pied you get doms and rececives and normal split rececives the only way to tell a dom and a rec from dom rec pairing the dom being split is the chick will either get iris ring or it wont same as dom split rec paired to normal split rec pied you get doms and rec pied with only the iris ring to tell diffrents at times as the pied markings are verigated Edited June 11, 2010 by GenericBlue Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted June 11, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted June 11, 2010 looks no different to any df dom pied i ever had PaulHeres two of mine I once had Atlas Max you will often find a df dom pied also can have an iris ring in one eye and none in the other. They also often have two colours on the cere in males...both pink and blue. I think the DF dom pied versus combination pied argument is a little tricky to resolve! The following pics are my birds that are combo pied (parents dom pied and rec pied). Note their similiarity to Kaz's DF dom pieds....... I have a couple more exactly the same. SJW SJW you state the birds pictured are from the pairing of a dom pied and a recessive pied. Such a pairing can only produce dom pieds that are then split recessive. So if these birds whose pictures you have put up are the result of such a pairing they are dom pieds and not combination pieds. Link to comment
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