**KAZ** 0 Posted April 8, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Not quite the same things as a blackface budgie but one called a coalface. http://www.budgieworld.co.uk/15.html blackface http://didiermervilde.bestofbreeds.net/didier/blackface.htm and a hen I used to have that I called MUDDY Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted April 8, 2010 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Heavely flecked? Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted April 8, 2010 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted April 8, 2010 looks interesting Kaz, Ratzy her is heavily flecked but if you look at the throat spots feathers of this 'coalface' budgie they are totally black not with the normal black spot. sounds like the breeder doesn't have the parents any more to try for another like him. it will be interesting to hear if any chicks appear with this of his. Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 8, 2010 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Sometimes I think that some people are so hopeful of discovering somethign new, that they try to see things that are not there. The blackface, yes, i agree with, but this coalface - to me, it is just a heavily flecked opaline. The spots are so big, that they look like just one big messy spot. I might be in the minority, and I am often there for some views of mine, but there is no way that I would call the "coalface" a new variety. Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted April 8, 2010 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Sometimes I think that some people are so hopeful of discovering somethign new, that they try to see things that are not there. The blackface, yes, i agree with, but this coalface - to me, it is just a heavily flecked opaline. The spots are so big, that they look like just one big messy spot. I might be in the minority, and I am often there for some views of mine, but there is no way that I would call the "coalface" a new variety. I agree with dave. Unless they are able to reproduce it in a determined fashion - eg show that it DEFINATELY passes from parent to child in a dominant, recessive or sex linked fashion then to me it is just a heavily flecked bird. Even a single new mutation isnt a variety unless and until the genetic pass on is determined and the mutation is established within a sustainable population. Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Im with Dave and Dean on this. To many people are too quick to label a bird a new mutation. Generally they have a little to no understanding of genetics of colour. I already mentioned this on another thread but I will say it again here. I bred a hen back in the 80's with a black head and neck. She was hatched a completley looking normal Opaline Light Green. On her first moult she produced an abundance of black feather. Back then I gave my birds more sunflower seed than I do now and she may well have been one of those birds that likes one seed far too much and gorged herself on it. As she did she was producing new feathers which at this time. The oils in the sunflower can enhance colour to a certain degree. Opalines are a melanin distribution gene and over time what made them attractive has been lost in favour of the show bench. The result is the extra melanin that is now produced and in some individuals to such an extent that some birds appear to have spots on their heads. If enough spots join up (feathers overlap each other) it would appear as a solid area of black. The one thing I have always noticed about these birds pospping up is 1. they are Opalines and 2. they are always hens. I have yet to see a cock bird present with this phenomenon. Could there be some hormonal influence going on here also? Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted April 9, 2010 to me those throat feathers look nothing like normal feather even on Heavily flecked birds there is still only spots not total black. of cause this is a one off bird again to back up the claim more will need to be produced. Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Very interesting, has there been talk about a new mutation like this at the different shows? Link to comment
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