Pink Budgie

[**KAZ** 0]

I can assure you that it is possible to breed a pink budgie:) I know a breeder in Adelaide who has in fact bred one, many years back. He won a prize in a show from it. I am considering breeding one. All I have been told is that they somehow come from a Rainbow budgie, and a proper rainbow one not just different mutations mixed.

A rainbow budgie is a made up or common usage name to descibe a composite vartiety bird as far as I know................ Clearwing, opaline, yellow face, in blue series.What is a " proper Rainbow" budgie then ?

this ORANGE budgie is on a reputed top breeders website 'ANYONE can see its been photoshopped

I found another took 2 seconds on photobucket edit feature.

 

and here is its brother

 

Edited March 12, 2010 by KAZ

[JimmyBanks 0]

Squeak_Crumble, I think if the person had photo's of the bird they would've sent them to Budgie Breeders world wide by now so that they could take credit for a new mutation... Plus they could smuggle the bird out and sell it for $$$$$. I think they are having a lend of you...

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

*shrug* okay. I personally have not seen the bird, but he has been a geneticist and a show breeder for his whole lifetime, so I think he would know what he is talking about. You can choose to believe what you want to believe JimmyBanks.

[**KAZ** 0]

*shrug* okay. I personally have not seen the bird, but he has been a geneticist and a show breeder for his whole lifetime, so I think he would know what he is talking about. You can choose to believe what you want to believe JimmyBanks.

 

Seeing is believing. A lot of stuff is said but never proved..............photos would convince the multitudes.

[RIPbudgies 0]

*shrug* okay. I personally have not seen the bird, but he has been a geneticist and a show breeder for his whole lifetime, so I think he would know what he is talking about. You can choose to believe what you want to believe JimmyBanks.

 

 

Once a geneticist always a geneticist. You can retire from activley participating but you are always genticist. Does he have a sprinkling of letters after his name? Being a geneticist is one thing but one must also know how colour is produced in budgies as well. He obviously does not know how colour is produced or he would not be claiming to have a 'pink' budgie.

 

Like Kaz says....photos will prove it.

 

Many times over the years 'pink' budgies have claimed to be bred. All so far have turned out to be fake. If a 'pink' budgie, by some absolute micracle, were to be bred the owner would have a most valuable bird indeed. Since the mechanisim required for the budgie to produce pink was rendered redundant through thousands of years of evolution it would take a miracle for it to be activated once again. Too many changes in the feather structure would need to be in place for it to occour. Any change in any organisim is not simply a matter of turning on or off genes as one would a light bulb.

[ultrav0x 0]

*shrug* okay. I personally have not seen the bird, but he has been a geneticist and a show breeder for his whole lifetime, so I think he would know what he is talking about. You can choose to believe what you want to believe JimmyBanks.

 

PHOTOS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

 

(a favourite phrase of mine)

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Nup, no sprinkling of letters after his name. His name is Kelwyn Kakoshke (I think I spelt that right). I will try and get some photos, I don't know when I will see him next. Someone at my club is good friends with him, he was the one who originally told me about the bird. I will ask him if he would be able to get him to give me some photo's.

[Amy S 0]

close Squeak_Crumble you forgot the C in it

 

Kelwyn Kakoschke - he's had some budgies in one of the BRASEA auctions.He has some lovely birds. Being a Rare budgie club, i'd have thought he would mention a pink budgie in here if he had one? Unless of course he didn't want people to know?

 

He has also written an article on Trimming The Vent and In Breeding and Line Breeding - both articles I found useful.

 

Still not sure about the pink budgie though

[Ratzy 0]

I think there has been three topics with this exact same story since I joined. Maybe it was an albino with violet suffusion. What would happen if you kept on line breeding violets with lutes?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

It is possible it was an albino masking violet. He said that the bird came from a true Rainbow, which is a bird with alot of violet in it amongst other mutations.

[**KAZ** 0]

It is possible it was an albino masking violet. He said that the bird came from a true Rainbow, which is a bird with alot of violet in it amongst other mutations.

 

 

 

I can assure you that it is possible to breed a pink budgie:) I know a breeder in Adelaide who has in fact bred one, many years back. He won a prize in a show from it. I am considering breeding one. All I have been told is that they somehow come from a Rainbow budgie, and a proper rainbow one not just different mutations mixed.

A rainbow budgie is a made up or common usage name to descibe a composite vartiety bird as far as I know................ Clearwing, opaline, yellow face, in blue series.What is a " proper Rainbow" budgie then ?

 

 

Please tell me what is a TRUE rainbow ?

[ultrav0x 0]

Please tell me what is a TRUE rainbow ?

 

Duh KAZ everyone knows these birds are readily available from all reputable breeders

(this computer doesn't have photoshop but you get the idea!)

[Ratzy 0]

Please tell me what is a TRUE rainbow ?

 

Duh KAZ everyone knows these birds are readily available from all reputable breeders

(this computer doesn't have photoshop but you get the idea!)

 

 

Yep. All dyed in the colour of your choice.

[**KAZ** 0]

It is possible it was an albino masking violet. He said that the bird came from a true Rainbow, which is a bird with alot of violet in it amongst other mutations.

 

 

 

I can assure you that it is possible to breed a pink budgie:) I know a breeder in Adelaide who has in fact bred one, many years back. He won a prize in a show from it. I am considering breeding one. All I have been told is that they somehow come from a Rainbow budgie, and a proper rainbow one not just different mutations mixed.

A rainbow budgie is a made up or common usage name to descibe a composite vartiety bird as far as I know................Clearwing, opaline, yellow face, in blue series. What is a " proper Rainbow" budgie then ? What is a " proper Rainbow" budgie then ?

 

 

Please tell me what is a TRUE rainbow ?

 

 

Let me clarify....................Squeak_crumble I am asking YOU what you meant.......as twice now you have said TRUE RAINBOW AND PROPER RAINBOW not the mutations mixed

as far as I know the term rainbow was made up to describe a bird that came about by MIXING Clearwing, opaline, yellow face, in blue series. If not then what is your idea of a PROPER OR TRUE RAINBOW ??

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

A rainbow is a YF2 Blue Series Opaline Clearwing. It can have other mutations included. It could be for example, YF2 Opaline Spangle Cobalt Clearwing. As long as it has YF2, Blue, Opaline and Clearwing it is a true rainbow.

If you look on this website and go down to Diego and La Fiesta, you will see they are both rainbow : http://sitebuilder.yola.com/sites/Dfd2/D38...2f/my-birds.php

[**KAZ** 0]

A rainbow is a YF2 Blue Series Opaline Clearwing. It can have other mutations included. It could be for example, YF2 Opaline Spangle Cobalt Clearwing. As long as it has YF2, Blue, Opaline and Clearwing it is a true rainbow.

If you look on this website and go down to Diego and La Fiesta, you will see they are both rainbow : http://sitebuilder.yola.com/sites/Dfd2/D38...2f/my-birds.php

 

 

I know this........but your were saying

Rainbow budgie, and a proper rainbow one not just different mutations mixed.

and as far as I can see you are contradicting yourself as a rainbow is a blend of various mutations.

Edited March 14, 2010 by KAZ

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

What i meant by different mutations mixed is that some people think that a rainbow is just a colorful budgie. Eg YF Sky Blue Cinnamon Spangle, Light Green Opaline Spangle or a Cinnamon Opaline Spangle Violet.

[**KAZ** 0]

What i meant by different mutations mixed is that some people think that a rainbow is just a colorful budgie. Eg YF Sky Blue Cinnamon Spangle, Light Green Opaline Spangle or a Cinnamon Opaline Spangle Violet.

 

There are a lot of misconceptions out there thats for sure. But when you were saying whast you did as well as the rest of it I thought you knew something we didnt. :laughter:

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Haha, no sorry. Sorry if I mislead some.

[RIPbudgies 0]

A rainbow is a YF2 Blue Series Opaline Clearwing. It can have other mutations included. It could be for example, YF2 Opaline Spangle Cobalt Clearwing. As long as it has YF2, Blue, Opaline and Clearwing it is a true rainbow.

If you look on this website and go down to Diego and La Fiesta, you will see they are both rainbow : http://sitebuilder.yola.com/sites/Dfd2/D38...2f/my-birds.php

 

The word 'Rainbow' was coined by Keston Foreign Bird Farms who developed the combination of Opaline and Clearwing and they also used available 'yellowface' mutations of the day. Over time the Goldenface, Clearwing, Opaline combination has become the one most associated with the term 'Rainbow'. So when you use the term 'true' you must be aware of the subject matters history or you risk doing what many other do, diseminate false and misleading information. I think there is enough of that out there already.

 

I have personally met Kelwyn some years ago when I took some birds over to show in South Australia. He is a good budgie breeder no doubting that, and I have heard many things, both good and bad, about him over the years but I found most of it untrue as it usually is. I found him to be a rather quite, reserved individual, but willing to discuss anything budgie. To my knowledge he is not a geneticist. As I said earlier they usually have quite a sprinkling of letters after their names which shows the degrees of education they would have to achieve to reach their final goal. Whilst I was visiting SA and doing the customary aviary visits I came across a pair of hens that Kelwyn had mis-identified. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not having a go at Kelwyn, it is just something I see on a regular basis that some top breeders do not have variety recognition skills and and/or the genetic/colour develolpment skills in which to identify the seemingly out of the ordinary occourances.

[macka 0]

A rainbow is a YF2 Blue Series Opaline Clearwing. It can have other mutations included. It could be for example, YF2 Opaline Spangle Cobalt Clearwing. As long as it has YF2, Blue, Opaline and Clearwing it is a true rainbow.

If you look on this website and go down to Diego and La Fiesta, you will see they are both rainbow : http://sitebuilder.yola.com/sites/Dfd2/D38...2f/my-birds.php

 

The word 'Rainbow' was coined by Keston Foreign Bird Farms who developed the combination of Opaline and Clearwing and they also used available 'yellowface' mutations of the day. Over time the Goldenface, Clearwing, Opaline combination has become the one most associated with the term 'Rainbow'. So when you use the term 'true' you must be aware of the subject matters history or you risk doing what many other do, diseminate false and misleading information. I think there is enough of that out there already.

 

I have personally met Kelwyn some years ago when I took some birds over to show in South Australia. He is a good budgie breeder no doubting that, and I have heard many things, both good and bad, about him over the years but I found most of it untrue as it usually is. I found him to be a rather quite, reserved individual, but willing to discuss anything budgie. To my knowledge he is not a geneticist. As I said earlier they usually have quite a sprinkling of letters after their names which shows the degrees of education they would have to achieve to reach their final goal. Whilst I was visiting SA and doing the customary aviary visits I came across a pair of hens that Kelwyn had mis-identified. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not having a go at Kelwyn, it is just something I see on a regular basis that some top breeders do not have variety recognition skills and and/or the genetic/colour develolpment skills in which to identify the seemingly out of the ordinary occourances.

Seeing as you know genetic/colour,what was it that Kelwyn,misread the variety.

be very interested,to know & a picture would help. :bump:

Edited March 15, 2010 by KAZ

[RIPbudgies 0]

A rainbow is a YF2 Blue Series Opaline Clearwing. It can have other mutations included. It could be for example, YF2 Opaline Spangle Cobalt Clearwing. As long as it has YF2, Blue, Opaline and Clearwing it is a true rainbow.

If you look on this website and go down to Diego and La Fiesta, you will see they are both rainbow : http://sitebuilder.yola.com/sites/Dfd2/D38...2f/my-birds.php

 

The word 'Rainbow' was coined by Keston Foreign Bird Farms who developed the combination of Opaline and Clearwing and they also used available 'yellowface' mutations of the day. Over time the Goldenface, Clearwing, Opaline combination has become the one most associated with the term 'Rainbow'. So when you use the term 'true' you must be aware of the subject matters history or you risk doing what many other do, diseminate false and misleading information. I think there is enough of that out there already.

 

I have personally met Kelwyn some years ago when I took some birds over to show in South Australia. He is a good budgie breeder no doubting that, and I have heard many things, both good and bad, about him over the years but I found most of it untrue as it usually is. I found him to be a rather quite, reserved individual, but willing to discuss anything budgie. To my knowledge he is not a geneticist. As I said earlier they usually have quite a sprinkling of letters after their names which shows the degrees of education they would have to achieve to reach their final goal. Whilst I was visiting SA and doing the customary aviary visits I came across a pair of hens that Kelwyn had mis-identified. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not having a go at Kelwyn, it is just something I see on a regular basis that some top breeders do not have variety recognition skills and and/or the genetic/colour develolpment skills in which to identify the seemingly out of the ordinary occourances.

Seeing as you know genetic/colour,what was it that Kelwyn,misread the variety.

be very interested,to know & a picture would help.

 

I have been racking my brain for the past couple of days trying to remember what he said they were and I just can't remember. Now you just tweaked my memory by asking for photos. I did take a couple on the SLR. I'll will try and hunt them down later tonight, scan and post them.

 

As I have already said, please don't take this as having a go at anybody cause I am not. The birds were Dilutes by the way and at the time it was quite common for a lot of people to make the same mistake regardless of their position within the hobby. Dilutes still cause problems even today. A Picture was posted on another forum of a beautful Dilute Cobalt. A prominent fancier and breeder of National Level distinction labeled it as a 'Greywing Dilute'. The bird is either a Greywing or a Dilute not a composite of both, as Greywing is dominant over Dilute.

[**KAZ** 0]

I have been racking my brain for the past couple of days trying to remember what he said they were and I just can't remember. Now you just tweaked my memory by asking for photos. I did take a couple on the SLR. I'll will try and hunt them down later tonight, scan and post them.

 

As I have already said, please don't take this as having a go at anybody cause I am not. The birds were Dilutes by the way and at the time it was quite common for a lot of people to make the same mistake regardless of their position within the hobby. Dilutes still cause problems even today. A Picture was posted on another forum of a beautful Dilute Cobalt. A prominent fancier and breeder of National Level distinction labeled it as a 'Greywing Dilute'. The bird is either a Greywing or a Dilute not a composite of both, as Greywing is dominant over Dilute.

 

Funny you should say that as you know I have two dilutes here that were sold to me as greywings when you and I both know they have to be dilutes.

[**KAZ** 0]

Nup, no sprinkling of letters after his name. His name is Kelwyn Kakoshke (I think I spelt that right). I will try and get some photos, I don't know when I will see him next. Someone at my club is good friends with him, he was the one who originally told me about the bird. I will ask him if he would be able to get him to give me some photo's.

 

 

Well Squeak

 

you are still ranting on about the existance of a PINK BUDGIE and you have visited Kelwyn and still no photos ??

 

Why ?? Because they dont exist

 

 

What better way for a breeder to test YOUR knowledge squeak by putting out there a conversation about a pink budgie.

Edited January 19, 2011 by **KAZ**

[GenericBlue 0]

Nup, no sprinkling of letters after his name. His name is Kelwyn Kakoshke (I think I spelt that right). I will try and get some photos, I don't know when I will see him next. Someone at my club is good friends with him, he was the one who originally told me about the bird. I will ask him if he would be able to get him to give me some photo's.

 

 

Well Squeak

 

you are still ranting on about the existance of a PINK BUDGIE and you have visited Kelwyn and still no photos ??

 

Why ?? Because they dont exist

 

 

What better way for a breeder to test YOUR knowledge squeak by putting out there a conversation about a pink budgie.

well alot of my birds are from his lines so maybe i can get a pink budgie one day kaz :}

ill be sure to let you know if i do

if its rec gene im sure to come across one in my small flock in a year or two from his stock birds :}

Edited January 19, 2011 by GenericBlue