GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted February 2, 2010 okay so here are some pics and just say what you see then i will explain why these not mum and dad these foster birds it is the lacewing on cage floor these birds not related yet same age i put it in a plastic tub to get a clear picture for you guys but didnt work well so i supplemented it yesterday as it was not feed much okay what do you guys think is it okay or something wrong with it its 4 weeks old it was hatched on jan 4th this year its very light compared to my other chicks and its not got a full crop ever ??? can you see the feathers on its head they part and flop when it puts its blow on is it me or could something be wrong with this chick im hopeing its just a good bird and im on my way however im not to sure Link to comment
splat 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Sorry GB but I really think you have a feather duster, it's got the shark thing happening too (long secondary flights). BUT then it might not be, just watch it closely will be able to tell in a week. So far the wings are quite tidy but it does have that look about it. Just had photo 3 and 4 I think looks more feather duster but then I have also seen that fluffed up look in my friends birds, she looks hungry so she's all fluffed. Later later photos she looks fairly normal. You can tell by the time they are 5 weeks old if they are a mop or not. Keeps us updated Edited February 2, 2010 by splat Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Sorry GB but I really think you have a feather duster, it's got the shark thing happening too (long secondary flights). BUT then it might not be, just watch it closely will be able to tell in a week. So far the wings are quite tidy but it does have that look about it. i was thinking she is sitting very lazy though the wings look like all my other birds breed the thing that gets me is is very light and very thin is feather mass is huge but apart from that its feather develop meant is in time its beak is fine tail feathers and its quiet but when it does churp its normal and quiet loud i guess i will have to wait and see i just wish i could tell now as i will send it to god soon as i know as i rather that than it suffer ( they do suffer ) Link to comment
splat 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Normally mops are big and fat while with the parents as they demand all the food because they can't get enough nutritian from their food so they always want more , something like that, BUT once out of the nest and the parents stop feeding them they loose weight quickly. Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I agree - looks like a mop(feather duster) to me Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 I agree - looks like a mop(feather duster) to me i thought their feathers were ment to grow at a rapped rate and also that the tail feathers were ment to be more than normal mmmmmmmm and here i was thinking i finally got a goodn i did feel in my gut something was wrong ...however his sisters and brothers are all long feathered as she is and they are all also very big this is whats confusing me it was possable to get a supper chick from the pairing i paired so....thats why i was uncertain but i will go with you guys on this however i will wait for a few more responces although you guys are probbly right id hate to send a good bird to god if were wrong but also i dont want to keep it alive if it is as its hungry im feeding it extra twice a day do people agree its a mop ???? thanks guys for your opinion i can get more pics if needed just let me know what to snap and i will i really want to be sure on this one before i do anything hasty Link to comment
splat 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted February 2, 2010 GB by 5 weeks the wings should be messy like extra flights etc and they have this wow head about them that makes you think you have this wonderful bird I would just leave her for the time being and see how she turns out if you think she is fine because I had 2 this year that I was quite sure the were mops with great feather and wow heads and they were normal not mops. Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Look at the tail feathers, have the main two tail shafts grown beyond the other tail primaries, or is the tail still short. If the two main tail feathers are long then it will not be a mop, if they are short then chances are you have a very pretty mop. cheers Clearwing Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Does she make a different chirp than the others?? FD's sound quite different. Keep an eye on the head feathers - on a FD, the base of the feather shaft always has 2-3mm of sheath on it from continuous growing. I agree the flights are fairly tidy for a FD but she defiantly looks like a FD to me otherwise. Cirrus and Quilla at around 4 weeks old Edited February 2, 2010 by **Liv** Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 okay guys i will look at tail shaft shorter mop longer normal and i will check the feather sheath she has normal sound when she does chirp which is not much her feathers are quiet tidy so i will go and asess her as im going to feed her again if she has not feed herself or been feed thanks guys i will get more pics too Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 okay my chick has a short tail but no shorter than anyone else in the clutch the long one is longer than the other ones but not by much the head feathers do not have sheaths on them and seem to be more balanced now when she blows she is happy enough but still looks not feed but then again this morning the whole clutch bar two chicks seemed to be not feed and hungry this is a clutch of all fosters bar one chick i think mum and dad have just had enough of them all but all other options bar rearing are gone so looks like i may have to rear the chicks myself the oldest one is eatting its self i will leave it and the one being feed and feed others my self it still most probably a mop though by sounds of everyone's thoughts so.. i will give her one welk more to see for sure Link to comment
splat 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted February 2, 2010 She looks mop in some photos and in others she doen't but these 2 pics she does look mop but she looks hungry all fluffed up maybe that is all it is but time will tell. But if she has left the nest and the parents are feeding her that is a good sign that is a mop. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 she hasnt left nest as it hot i have nest on floor and the door off the chicks just wander around i put them all back at night she is hungry though in thoughs pick and i did feed her she was fine after that i will update i just rang breeder to see if any mops in his line of history they are going to get back to me Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted February 2, 2010 She seems to be a feather duster and as with others, time will tell for sure. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 2, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 She seems to be a feather duster and as with others, time will tell for sure. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Doesn't look quite the same as a mop but you'll see in time. What did you breed her from? Link to comment
renee 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2010 She ISN"T a Feather Duster and grows into her feathers! Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 Doesn't look quite the same as a mop but you'll see in time. What did you breed her from? i breed her from one of my two split lacewing opaline grey green boys that i got just before i got your boys the one that could fly is the dad the mum is a really big hen my biggest i have she has loads of feather the cock comes from a breeder who has loads of feather and his mum was apparently a massive big lacewing hen i rang him but he wont be home till tonight so i asked if he could look at the familey history a bit for me see if its anywhere in their i know the hen has nothing in her history so...thats going right right back through alot of generations older sister her tail and older sisters tail they are same other lacewing day youngers tail the same another sibbling to this hen the others still are not feathered but also big like her and the yf grey Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Fingers crossed its just going to be the best chick you have bred so far Link to comment
splat 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think it just needs feeding, they say when you have good feather in your breedroom you undoutly get featherdusters. All you can do is wait and see. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think it just needs feeding, they say when you have good feather in your breedroom you undoutly get featherdusters. All you can do is wait and see. yes it does need feeding and i am feeding it myself and placing it back so it can be feed by other chicks mum dad what ever but seems that it just doesnt seem interested unless i feed it so... and im not to well at moment so not really up to having a budgie 24 seven in my pocket as i may forget and hurt it im feeding it two times a day but mabe it needs more im just hopeing it will get the hint like the other chicks and crack the seed its self but its just contented to prune its self and sleep im thinking of taking it to a freinds to get constant attention but if i do that i know they will fall in love and i will have to let them keep her as i will feel bad they did all the work she doesnt eat much when i do feed her she doesnt seem hungry but does eat willingly from a eye dropper Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Hi G. B., back in Nov I posted about my last lot of chicks. They were all feathers also and advice was, I had doubled up on long feather gene? I had four, 2 look pretty good now, last 2 are still "loose" feathered and one has short tail as if it's moulted out AND one has a very distinct loud chirp.They were very slow compared to others coming out of nest and very clumsy fliers as well.Their feathers arn't still growing like the pics of mops I saw. Maybe yours has a similar problem? Mine aren't for show so I don't mind, I just watch if I breed from them. Hope yours turn out o.k. (my parents were both big show stock olive cinnamon & gr Cinnamon). Thought this might be a clue. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted February 3, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 Hi G. B., back in Nov I posted about my last lot of chicks. They were all feathers also and advice was, I had doubled up on long feather gene? I had four, 2 look pretty good now, last 2 are still "loose" feathered and one has short tail as if it's moulted out AND one has a very distinct loud chirp.They were very slow compared to others coming out of nest and very clumsy fliers as well.Their feathers arn't still growing like the pics of mops I saw. Maybe yours has a similar problem? Mine aren't for show so I don't mind, I just watch if I breed from them. Hope yours turn out o.k. (my parents were both big show stock olive cinnamon & gr Cinnamon). Thought this might be a clue. thanks mate i am going to have to wait and see it is defenently hungrey as splat pointed out so i am going to feed her myself so tomorrow im off to the dentist with a chick in my bag the pub and out for a dinner with my friend lol all with chick in bag as its the only thing i can do i found out i was expecting to much from her when it came to food i was trying to feed it 10 ml but two to three is ive been avised plenty so thats what shes been eatting from me so makes sence i will keep you up dated lol on the adventures of....zapdos the lacewing. comming friday to australian budgie sight .com.au Link to comment
PJI 0 Posted February 6, 2010 Member ID: 5,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 205 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,295 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 17, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2010 okay so here are some pics and just say what you see then i will explain whythese not mum and dad these foster birds it is the lacewing on cage floor these birds not related yet same age i put it in a plastic tub to get a clear picture for you guys but didnt work well so i supplemented it yesterday as it was not feed much okay what do you guys think is it okay or something wrong with it its 4 weeks old it was hatched on jan 4th this year its very light compared to my other chicks and its not got a full crop ever ??? can you see the feathers on its head they part and flop when it puts its blow on is it me or could something be wrong with this chick im hopeing its just a good bird and im on my way however im not to sure I sent these pictures to Ray Welshman,this was hes reply. ///////////// The picture. of the bird You sent does not look like a MOP as the tail feathers are in line with the body, when it is a mop they are usually angled out about 30 degrees or more on each side. They just look natural feathers to me, they appear to have plenty of blood in them I would be more worried about them being french moulters than anything and I don't even think that is the case. Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted February 11, 2010 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Hi G.B., Have you taken any more pics of your lacewing yet? How is it looking now? :rofl: Link to comment
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