Best In Show...df Spangle And Ubc

[nubbly5 0]

Eeeeeeek now THAT is getting complicated.

[JimmyBanks 0]

Its genetics, if it was uncomplicated we would've been cloneing a Loooooooong time ago :fear But yes Nubbly it is complicated and I have a small brain so I can't understand it... I can read the words but they just won't file away in my brain properly :fear

[nubbly5 0]

Its genetics, if it was uncomplicated we would've been cloneing a Loooooooong time ago But yes Nubbly it is complicated and I have a small brain so I can't understand it... I can read the words but they just won't file away in my brain properly

 

And you are a boy so maybe stop trying to do other things at the same time

[**KAZ** 0]

Its genetics, if it was uncomplicated we would've been cloneing a Loooooooong time ago But yes Nubbly it is complicated and I have a small brain so I can't understand it... I can read the words but they just won't file away in my brain properly :hap:

 

And you are a boy so maybe stop trying to do other things at the same time

:D :rofl: :rofl:

[Dave_McMinn 0]

I take offense at that male comment. I think........ not sure what I was typing, cool song came on the radio -

[RIPbudgies 0]

I take offense at that male comment. I think........ not sure what I was typing, cool song came on the radio -

 

 

:rofl: :rofl:

[renee 0]

I take offense at that male comment. I think........ not sure what I was typing, cool song came on the radio -

 

Well I'm not doing "anything else" and I still find it complicated.

 

However, I will say this : Genetics helps you understand the variety but sometimes birds are visually the same but with different genetic make up and it is ONLY when you breed them that all is revealed (I am thinking of Violets here as an example).

 

And genetics will only take you so far, as Show Budgie breeders we are breeding to a Standard of Style of bird and when you put that bird up on the bench 60 points is dedicated to that Standard.

 

Which is why you are often advised in Show Budgie circles to "breed the bird"!

[JimmyBanks 0]

Its genetics, if it was uncomplicated we would've been cloneing a Loooooooong time ago But yes Nubbly it is complicated and I have a small brain so I can't understand it... I can read the words but they just won't file away in my brain properly

 

And you are a boy so maybe stop trying to do other things at the same time

 

 

I take offense at that male comment. I think........ not sure what I was typing, cool song came on the radio -

 

 

:hap::hap::rofl::hap::rofl::hap:

 

Brilliant! But Nubbly please I would prefer 'Wee Lad' over the term 'boy' for future reference :hap:

[renee 0]

On the subject of Yellow Faces again, How did it happen that there are so many "Mutants"?

 

This Variety, it seems to me, is pretty unique as the others are very straightforward in comparison. I mean for example, it is either a Cinnamon/Opaline/Normal/Dommie Pied/Spangle etc or it's not, there doesn't seem to be mutations within it .... or are there and we just don't know about them and don't breed them?

[RIPbudgies 0]

On the subject of Yellow Faces again, How did it happen that there are so many "Mutants"?

 

This Variety, it seems to me, is pretty unique as the others are very straightforward in comparison. I mean for example, it is either a Cinnamon/Opaline/Normal/Dommie Pied/Spangle etc or it's not, there doesn't seem to be mutations within it .... or are there and we just don't know about them and don't breed them?

 

 

Oh Renee you forgot the Dilute series of alleles. They have and still cause confusion.

[**KAZ** 0]

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads

[renee 0]

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads :rofl:

Well Kaz my dearest you don't drink AND you have a much better head for genetics than I .... but yes, I can see our brave lecturers being driven to drink ... :hug:

 

I will endeavor to provide "quality" alcohol so the hang over isn't too severe!

Edited November 20, 2009 by renee

[**KAZ** 0]

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads

Well Kaz my dearest you don't drink AND you have a much better head for genetics than I .... but yes, I can see our brave lecturers being driven to drink ...

 

I will endeavor to provide "quality" alcohol so the hang over isn't too severe!

 

Me, not drink ??!! :rofl: This is not true. I just dont drink and drive. There is a difference

 

 

I am a VODKA girl when I drink :hug:

[JimmyBanks 0]

I still haven't heard where the Podcast/dvd/mp3 will be available of this Yellowface Symposium...

 

 

I HATE LAG... my computer disconnects me and when it reconnects it decides to send the same message 3 times :hug: Is it possible for a lay person like myself to delete my own posts?? I can't figure out how....

Edited November 20, 2009 by JimmyBanks

[RIPbudgies 0]

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads

Well Kaz my dearest you don't drink AND you have a much better head for genetics than I .... but yes, I can see our brave lecturers being driven to drink ...

 

I will endeavor to provide "quality" alcohol so the hang over isn't too severe!

 

Me, not drink ??!! :rofl: This is not true. I just dont drink and drive. There is a difference

 

 

I am a VODKA girl when I drink :hug:

 

 

I must say I agree with Kaz. I don't drink and drive. My license is my job so it is very much in need. I will have a drop or two but will spread it out.

 

What makes you think we havn't already been driven to drink.

 

Hey Kaz any chance of possibly getting some YF's off Libby on the way through?

[**KAZ** 0]

Hey Kaz any chance of possibly getting some YF's off Libby on the way through?

 

On loan for the day you mean ?

[RIPbudgies 0]

Hey Kaz any chance of possibly getting some YF's off Libby on the way through?

 

On loan for the day you mean ?

 

Yeah. The worst part about not having the birds I use to have is I can only bring three birds on Sunday and there are all single factor GF's. But they are all at least three different colours.

[nubbly5 0]

DF YF..... hic...... I mean GF....... hic........ are.........umm....... REALLY.......pretty! (JB that's an example of what you are going to get from a DVD of our YF discussion :hug: )

 

Bugger it, if none of us can drink & drive then we'll have to do a budgie girl slumber party (that's code for "drink as much as you like" party) some other time as well.

Edited November 20, 2009 by nubbly5

[**KAZ** 0]

DF YF..... hic...... I mean GF....... hic........ are.........umm....... REALLY.......pretty! (JB that's an example of what you are going to get from a DVD of our YF discussion :rofl: )

 

Bugger it, if none of us can drink & drive then we'll have to do a budgie girl slumber party (that's code for "drink as much as you like" party) some other time as well.

:hug:

[Finnie 0]

Green dominant over Goldenface over Yellowface Mutant II over Yellowface Mutant I over Blue. This does not affect the single and double factor versions but they do come into play when breeding composites of the yellow faced birds.

Thank you RIP! I will write this down on paper in my old-fashioned notebook, so I can look at it whenever I want, even if the kids are hogging the computer!

Its genetics, if it was uncomplicated we would've been cloneing a Loooooooong time ago But yes Nubbly it is complicated and I have a small brain so I can't understand it... I can read the words but they just won't file away in my brain properly

 

And you are a boy so maybe stop trying to do other things at the same time

 

 

I take offense at that male comment. I think........ not sure what I was typing, cool song came on the radio -

 

Brilliant! But Nubbly please I would prefer 'Wee Lad' over the term 'boy' for future reference

 

 

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads :rofl:

 

 

 

You guys are so funny!!!

I wish I could go on Sunday!

That's the trouble with being on the wrong continent. I post a question before bed, get up in the morning, and find that you have been having all the fun without me!! :hug:

 

:hap: :hap:

 

 

 

That's all right. While you are all sleeping, I will spend the day plotting more questions to make your heads spin. hee hee. (We need an evil plotting emoticon to put here)

 

Pleasant dreams, everyone... (evil plotting guy again)

[**KAZ** 0]

Hey Kaz any chance of possibly getting some YF's off Libby on the way through?

 

On loan for the day you mean ?

 

Yeah. The worst part about not having the birds I use to have is I can only bring three birds on Sunday and there are all single factor GF's. But they are all at least three different colours.

I will ask. Would be a pain if they are down breeding :hug:

[GenericBlue 0]

I dont know how we are going to take all this in at our YELLOWFACE SYMPOSIUM on Sunday if alcohol is in the equasion. OR is the alcohol for our lecturers who will NEED IT SEVERELY trying to get all this stuff drilled into our heads

Well Kaz my dearest you don't drink AND you have a much better head for genetics than I .... but yes, I can see our brave lecturers being driven to drink ... I will endeavor to provide "quality" alcohol so the hang over isn't too severe!

Me, not drink ??!! :rofl: This is not true. I just dont drink and drive. There is a difference I am a VODKA girl when I drink :hug:

I am a VODKA girl when I drink lol me too go the vodka :celebrate:im with you im night owl on same contanent but always late night posts lol i agree with the sinister emo lol hay guys could i join in via cam (lol just jokes but mabe a vid should be made we could then purchus it throw mail a burnt copy of oridganal i would buy one

[JimmyBanks 0]

Looks like you got a couple of YF's to talk about on Sunday in the Mail KAZ

[Finnie 0]

okay, everybody, I did my genetics homework and I think I have figured it out (kind of, I hope)

And if I can copy my notes without making too many typos, this might make sense.

(Of course, if I get something wrong, point it out so I don't spread misinformation.) Here goes.

 

 

All these alleles are on the same gene: Normal (which is green), Goldenface, Yellowface Mutant II, Yellowface Mutant I and Blue. (In order of dominance)

 

Genes come in pairs, so here are all the possibilities we can come up with:

 

Normal/Normal

Normal/Goldenface

Normal/YFll

Normal/YFl

Normal/Blue (Normal is complete dominance, so all normal green birds)

 

Goldenface/Goldenface

Goldenface/YFll

Goldenface/YFl

Goldenface/Blue (Goldenface is incomplete dominance, so these are distinguishable from each other.)

 

YFll/YFll

YFll/YFl

YFll/Blue (YFll is complete dominance, so these all look the same -I think)

 

YFl/YFl (Double factor = blue bird, white face)

YFl/Blue (Single factor = blue bird, yellow face) (Again, incomplete dominance, because the /blue factor affects the appearance.)

 

Blue/Blue (least dominant, can't be split to anything. Blue, of course)

 

 

The tricky part is that because of the incomplete dominance, all four combinations of Goldenface look slightly different from each other. (RIP amazed us all earlier with her ability to detect the differences, I can't even begin to describe them properly!)

 

She did mention that we are supposed to think of these mutations as "yellow removing" factors. After studying how she described Kaz's (and my one) photos, I think I can list what each of them "does". This is the head spinning question part: Did I get it right?

 

 

Normal allele - removes NO yellow at all

 

Goldenface allele - removes NO yellow from the face, removes SOME yellow from the body and wings

 

Yellowface mutant ll - removes SOME yellow from the face, removes SOME yellow from the body and wings

 

Yellowface mutant l - removes SOME yellow from the face (when doubled up, removes ALL), removes ALL yellow from the body and wings

 

Blue allele - removes ALL yellow from the face, romoves ALL yellow from the body and wings

 

 

I found it interesting that the order they are dominant to each other is also the order in which more and more yellow is removed. (Note the NOs, the SOMEs and the ALLs.)

 

 

And I THINK, but am not sure, that it fits that when you combine the Goldenface with the lesser dominant alleles, you get lighter and lighter shades of yellow in the face, because more and more yellow is "being removed". I'm guessing that the double factor Goldenface doesn't make the yellow "extra dark", it just leaves it as dark as it normally is in a green bird.

 

So, what do you think? Does it make sense, or does it just make it more confusing? (Or did I just butcher it all?)

 

Well, it's after 11:00 here, and I'm no night owl, so I can go happily off to bed and dream of the frustrated Australians that I have helped drive to drink!

 

Have fun guys! Let me know how your Symposium goes on Sunday!

[JimmyBanks 0]

I hope your right because a just went on in my head when I read your post... If you're wrong I guess I just have to find a way to switch it off :party0011:

Edited November 21, 2009 by JimmyBanks