nubbly5 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2009 okay another little quiz. Don't be scared, just have a go at it. Tell me what the parents and chicks could be split for or masking. Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) okay another little quiz. Don't be scared, just have a go at it. Tell me what the parents and chicks could be split for or masking. Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen no id have to cheet and get out me old trusting book on this one i may try in morn when i have slept abit lol if cant work out will leave for others not my genetic strong point Edited October 11, 2009 by KAZ Link to comment
renee 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2009 okay another little quiz. Don't be scared, just have a go at it. Tell me what the parents and chicks could be split for or masking. Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen The idea of a Yellow Face Clearwing is so abhorrent I just cannot contemplate the genetics ~ Sorry Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Parents:Clearwing Olive Cock Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen The idea of a Yellow Face Clearwing is so abhorrent I just cannot contemplate the genetics ~ Sorry okay together renee we can do this the hen is masking df yf2 (mum) the dark green clearwing hen chick is masking yf2 the cock is split blue (dad) the hen is split dilute and the cock is split dilute (mum) okay thats without a book and with out brain function as need sleep how did i go what i get wrong or leave out thats with out the chicks possable splits of dilute and the dilute cock being split clearwing (the chick) oh man i got it backwards Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock split dilute Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock masking yf2 Dark Green Clearwing Hen poss masking dilute YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen poss masking dilute is that better Edited October 11, 2009 by KAZ Link to comment
renee 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Oh alright then seeing as you've done the objectionable Yellow Face part I would add that seeing that Clearwing is dominant over Dilute and one of the chicks is a Dilute then the Clearwing cock would have to be split Dilute .... and the Clearwing chicks would also have to be split Dilute ... Now for colours .... Cock is Olive (ie. Cobalt x Green) Hen is Sky Blue (split Violet) Chick 1 is Cobalt Violet Chick 2 is Sky Cobalt Chick 3 is Green Violet Chick 4 is DF Cobalt Yes, it should be obvious by now that I do not cheat and consult the various genetics tables or books but rely on my pea brain for this Edited October 11, 2009 by KAZ Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Good going you guys! Anyone else what to give this a whirl.......? Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Good going you guys! Anyone else what to give this a whirl.......? meaning i got it wrong lol knew i would as long as i didnt stuff up the yf part im all happy as id be kicking myself if i did since thats mainly what i breed pet type :fingerscrossed: and i didnt refer to books either renee just my brain trying to be active nubbly how close was i should i try again ??? Link to comment
shannon bird breeder 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Member ID: 4,671 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,386 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 7,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/09/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 24, 2011 Birthday: 12/09/1994 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Clearwing Olive Cock is split Dilute and split blue Normal Dilute Blue Hen is masking yf YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) Pretty close there GB. You can have another go at it if you want and maybe some other people would like to have a bash too. If anyone else who is reading this and LIKES these little quizzes, if you don't have a go and it turns out that there are just 2 or 3 of us doing them then there is little point posting up other quizzes. So if you want to see us keep posting little challenges like this then at least have something of a bash at it - even if it means you have to grab that old budgie genetics book out or do a bit of web referencing. Personally I love these sorts of little challenges so i thought maybe others would like them too - thanks to renee and GB who had a bash. I'll post up results in a couple of days. Edited October 12, 2009 by nubbly5 Link to comment
renee 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) If anyone else who is reading this and LIKES these little quizzes, if you don't have a go and it turns out that there are just 2 or 3 of us doing them then there is little point posting up other quizzes. So if you want to see us keep posting little challenges like this then at least have something of a bash at it - even if it means you have to grab that old budgie genetics book out or do a bit of web referencing. Personally I love these sorts of little challenges so i thought maybe others would like them too - thanks to renee and GB who had a bash. You should keep doing them even if only a few people get involved ... especially if you enjoy them! I'm sure the fact that GB and me don't mind getting it wrong and learning from our mistakes helps others who don't want to appear ignorant or overly reliant on the genetics guide Edited October 12, 2009 by renee Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) If anyone else who is reading this and LIKES these little quizzes, if you don't have a go and it turns out that there are just 2 or 3 of us doing them then there is little point posting up other quizzes. So if you want to see us keep posting little challenges like this then at least have something of a bash at it - even if it means you have to grab that old budgie genetics book out or do a bit of web referencing.Personally I love these sorts of little challenges so i thought maybe others would like them too - thanks to renee and GB who had a bash.You should keep doing them even if only a few people get involved ... especially if you enjoy them! I'm sure the fact that GB and me don't mind getting it wrong and learning from our mistakes helps others who don't want to appear ignorant or overly reliant on the genetics guide here here to that sometimes i sit and kick myself as i have memory lose and i say things backwards being dislexic and the whole thing gets put wrong as i also have difficultys expressing things with out complex long drawn out posts hence this but hey who cares were here to learn and enjoy have fun and just give thing a go weather we look like idiots or not to others who may be a tad more informed but hay look at it this way we all started somewhere and thoughs people who may laugh at our wrong awnsers well i bet they knew the same as we do nothing much ....the only mistakes you make are thoughs you dont learn by so come on give it a go **** if you did do what nubbly said and got out the good old text books or even looked in our breeding expectations you would see the awnser is their plain and simple me i just prefer to try do with out falling back on book ....so now for another read and reasesss lets see if i can do this ..mmmmmmmmmmmmm[/size ]Parents:Clearwing Olive Cock split dilute Normal Dilute Blue Hen ...IS SHE SPLIT CLEARWING..???? i know clear wing is receive so and as renee stated clear wing is dominant over dilute so mmmmmmmm YF2 Violet Clearwing HenYF2 Blue Dilute Cock masking yf2 Dark Green Clearwing Hen poss masking dilute YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen poss masking diluteis that better question is the dad carrying violet or is mum carrying violet ??? what dark factor is mum are any of the chicks light no dark factor ???is she sky, cobalt ???cause if mum is sky dad is carrying violet or am i still wrong and where am i going wrong any clues please with out giving it away Edited October 12, 2009 by GenericBlue Link to comment
fran71 0 Posted October 13, 2009 Member ID: 5,473 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/07/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30, 2010 Birthday: 23/04/1971 Share Posted October 13, 2009 okay another little quiz. Don't be scared, just have a go at it. Tell me what the parents and chicks could be split for or masking. Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock Normal Dilute Blue Hen YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen YF2 Blue Dilute Cock Dark Green Clearwing Hen YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen cock clearwing olive carring violet hen normal dilute blue df yface carring violet yf violet clearwing yf blue dilute/clearwing dark green clearwing type 1 yf yf colbalt clearwing but not sure on the others been split for dilute but i think they are this caused great discusion between John and I Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted October 13, 2009 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2009 okay another little quiz. Don't be scared, just have a go at it. Tell me what the parents and chicks could be split for or masking. Parents: Clearwing Olive Cock split dilute and blue (although technically it would be split for the YF2 blue mutation specifically. Since chicks are YF2 it cant come from the hen as you can only mask YF2 via green birds, although the hen could be DF YF1 but the chicks are not all YF and they are in fact YF2 so its from the cock) Normal Dilute Blue Hen could be a sky blue or cobalt as mathematically even a cobalt could produce a clutch full of cobalts/dark greens (as opposed to mauves/olives), although a sky blue can paired to this cock could only produce cobalts/dark greens. I assume because the first chick is only referred to as a violet that it is a visual violet (1 violet factor + 1 dark factor IE SF violet cobalt) therefore it seems more likely this hen is a normal dilute sky blue. Since violet appears in the chicks, it is easiest to assume it is carried by the olive cock, being lost visually in the dark olive colouration. However a dilute blue hen could easily be carrying violet without anyone realising, especially a SF violet dilute sky blue. Violet could be from either parent, as I have a YF2 opaline sky blue cock and a LIGHT grey opaline hen that produced a sky blue violet and I wasnt aware either parent carried violet visually (not a cobalt - parents only ever produced light greys and sky blues). YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen split dilute (as above, assume you mean visual violet as in SF violet cobalt so the hen is carrying 1 dark factor) YF2 Blue Dilute Cock assume this is cobalt dilute Dark Green Clearwing Hen split dilute YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen split dilute Theres my two cents without reading anyone elses attempts (now to go see what i goofed up on lol) Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted October 14, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 I LOVE you guys!!!! Nice to see you about Fran71 (and John of course). I hope you enjoyed this little challenge. So okay now I think it's time for me to go through the results as I saw them (and that's not to say that I'm right also). Clearwing Olive Cock - split for dilute, possibly carrying violet Normal Dilute Blue Hen - double factor YF, possibly carrying violet okay, going on the current theory that YF is NOT masked by green but that green in fact gives you a split for YF AND that ALL blue chicks show YF the assumption is made that the hen MUST be double factor YF2 which shows as a normal white face. IF the cock was split for YF2 then you would have to assume that all the blue chicks would actually show as white faces as they would get one YF2 gene from mum and one YF2 gene from dad. The only other option would be one YF2 gene from mum and one green gene from dad presenting as a green split for YF2. And THIS is where I've cocked it up and I'll tell you why.......... my assumption was that the prominent YF in Australia is the YF2 AND I know of people who have white faced double factor YF birds that breed only YF's so my assumption (being now so very obviously wrong) was that it was the YF2 in double factor that produces a white faced bird. So I need to change the chicks to YF1 AND we in Australia need to undersatnd that it might well be YF1 that is more prominent than YF2. At least one of the parents is carrying violet. Dean is absolutley correct that violet could remain undetected in both olive birds AND dilute birds so it may be impossible to determine which parent is carrying violet without further test mating to known non-violet partners. Also yes Dean (violet I assumed would be visual violet so cobalt and violet). So mum would be skyblue considering all chick have single dark factor. YF2 Violet Clearwing Hen - split for dilute. Dad donates clearwing gene mum only has dilute genes to donate in this series. YF2 Blue Dilute Cock - possibly carrying violet. Dark Green Clearwing Hen - split for dilute. YF2 Cobalt Clearwing Hen - split for dilute. Anyway, that's it for my little quizzes for a bit. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted October 14, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted October 14, 2009 so i was wrong in all aspects dean your a smarty pants :bliss: here for you :laughter: i should have known the yf bit some breeder of yf im going to be they are good nubbly mabe dean you could give us a few we should start with basic ones for the silly people like me :laughter: and have memory lose its great to try get the brain functioning and we can look back here if we want to try our hand at breeding any of the mutations that have been quizzed on :sadsorry: as a quick and easy reference of what we may get Link to comment
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