SJW 0 Posted July 16, 2009 Member ID: 3,791 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 143 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 840 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 13, 2014 Birthday: 24/08/1976 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hi All, Some of you may remember my topic from the first round, where I couldn't explain the white chick from YF2 (or GF) parents..... Here are the parents... And the chick from the first round... Note the iris rings, there was some thought that it may have been a recessive pied, however, I'm now thinking just a poorly marked dominant pied...? And the chicks from the second round... (I apologise for the flash, it was getting dark and I couldn't show the colour any other way! It is showing the colour correctly though)... All hens.... The white chick is shaping up to be a copy of her sister (still can't explain the white birds out of 2xYF2 or GF...), while the other 2 appear to be violet YF2 (or GF)! I hope that they stay as their father has with the yellow not affecting the blue (or violet) feathers!! Hope you like my chicks. I'll update the pics as they develop. Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted July 17, 2009 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted July 17, 2009 The father of that chick is not the actual dad. Its a DF dominant pied hen and being that its not opaline, it cant be from that cock. same with the second round. its quite normal for hens to mate with many cocks when colony breeding. Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted July 17, 2009 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Colony breeding aside you can easily expect white faced chicks from two yellow faced parents. 25% white face 50% SF yellow face type 2 25% DF yellow face type 2 So basically 1/4 chicks will be white faced theoretically. Thats if the parents are certain anyway Colony breeding is a genetic free-for-all! Edited July 17, 2009 by Dean_NZ Link to comment
SJW 0 Posted July 17, 2009 Member ID: 3,791 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 143 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 840 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 13, 2014 Birthday: 24/08/1976 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 The father of that chick is not the actual dad.Its a DF dominant pied hen and being that its not opaline, it cant be from that cock. same with the second round. its quite normal for hens to mate with many cocks when colony breeding. They are in a separate breeding cage, I'm not actually colony breeding, and even if I was, I don't have another dominant pied..... , the only other cock I have is a cobalt normal. The mother is recessive pied presumably (no iris rings), if the chick is definitely DF dominant pied, the mother would have to be dominant pied as well...? The chick did have the white opaline down...... Now everyone's confused..... Dean_NZ - Thanks for the explanation about the potential for white chicks from 2 YF2 parents, I never really got that bit about there being SF & DF YF2 and how that breeds on... Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted July 19, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) The father of that chick is not the actual dad.Its a DF dominant pied hen and being that its not opaline, it cant be from that cock. same with the second round. its quite normal for hens to mate with many cocks when colony breeding. They are in a separate breeding cage, I'm not actually colony breeding, and even if I was, I don't have another dominant pied..... , the only other cock I have is a cobalt normal. The mother is recessive pied presumably (no iris rings), if the chick is definitely DF dominant pied, the mother would have to be dominant pied as well...? The chick did have the white opaline down...... Now everyone's confused..... Dean_NZ - Thanks for the explanation about the potential for white chicks from 2 YF2 parents, I never really got that bit about there being SF & DF YF2 and how that breeds on... their is to explinations for this out come 1 the hen is to young but i dont think so she to me looks to be rec pied but ... and 2 she is a dominant pied hen from a domanaint pied / rec ped hen causing badley marked dom pie and holding the rec gene the iris rings dont always show also kazzy pointed something out to me today when questioning my own chicks mutation out comes she has come to a conclushion as i two agree with her that split opaline cocks get the white down as do split cin chicks get the plum eyes for first few days as we have norm cocks split for opaline who had white down in nest ..... just a thery at moment also hen is a gf sky blue and father mauve which explains the beautiful colours mum could be opaline as i had one for ages who never visually looked opaline but defenently was kaz only just explained to me that their is a way to tell its if the barring on head is broken going lenghth ways across from eye to eye like this - - - - - - insted of full bar with out brakes and mabe dad is df dom just heavly marked only another cluthch will tell the truth of the matter next time put mum with a normal split opaline split rec pie cock that way if you get a opaline cock and a few rec pieds you will have your awnser hope this all made sence pm me if you need more explained oh and if she has the broken barring she is defenently rec pie and dad yf2 mauve df dom this gives 100 percent dom chicks the new chicks look to me to be mabe comming out like harliquine breed opaline gf norms so mum probbly is rec dad may be split rec love to see chicks frount and back when feathered up as this would help me solve your mistry Edited July 19, 2009 by GenericBlue Link to comment
SJW 0 Posted July 21, 2009 Member ID: 3,791 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 143 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 840 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 13, 2014 Birthday: 24/08/1976 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 The father of that chick is not the actual dad.Its a DF dominant pied hen and being that its not opaline, it cant be from that cock. same with the second round. its quite normal for hens to mate with many cocks when colony breeding. They are in a separate breeding cage, I'm not actually colony breeding, and even if I was, I don't have another dominant pied..... , the only other cock I have is a cobalt normal. The mother is recessive pied presumably (no iris rings), if the chick is definitely DF dominant pied, the mother would have to be dominant pied as well...? The chick did have the white opaline down...... Now everyone's confused..... Dean_NZ - Thanks for the explanation about the potential for white chicks from 2 YF2 parents, I never really got that bit about there being SF & DF YF2 and how that breeds on... their is to explinations for this out come 1 the hen is to young but i dont think so she to me looks to be rec pied but ... and 2 she is a dominant pied hen from a domanaint pied / rec ped hen causing badley marked dom pie and holding the rec gene the iris rings dont always show also kazzy pointed something out to me today when questioning my own chicks mutation out comes she has come to a conclushion as i two agree with her that split opaline cocks get the white down All my chicks are hens.....father is opaline, mother is not...... as do split cin chicks get the plum eyes for first few days as we have norm cocks split for opaline who had white down in nest ..... just a thery at moment also hen is a gf sky blue and father mauve which explains the beautiful colours father is cobalt, not mauve mum could be opaline as i had one for ages who never visually looked opaline but defenently was kaz only just explained to me that their is a way to tell this is beside the point, as if the mother is opaline as well as the father then all the chicks must be opaline regardless of sex...... its if the barring on head is broken going lenghth ways across from eye to eye like this - - - - - - insted of full bar with out brakes and mabe dad is df dom just heavly marked only another cluthch will tell the truth of the matter next time put mum with a normal split opaline split rec pie cock that way if you get a opaline cock and a few rec pieds you will have your awnser dad can't be df dominant pied as there are 2 normal chicks in the latest round.... (see above) hope this all made sence pm me if you need more explained oh and if she has the broken barring she is defenently rec pie (gf sky recessive) and dad yf2 mauve df dom (yf2 (or gf) cobalt dom) this gives 100 percent dom chicks however there are normal chicks... the new chicks look to me to be mabe comming out like harliquine (??) breed opaline gf norms so mum probbly is rec dad may be split rec haven't got any recessive chicks as yet, chick from first clutch has iris rings. love to see chicks frount and back when feathered up as this would help me solve your mistry I assume there is sf & df golden face as well as sf & df yf (or yf2)...? Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted July 22, 2009 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2009 They are gorgeous congrats, I love the cock parents and his coloring. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted July 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) nice chicks what ever the heritage Edited July 22, 2009 by GenericBlue Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted July 23, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) The father of that chick is not the actual dad.Its a DF dominant pied hen and being that its not opaline, it cant be from that cock. same with the second round. its quite normal for hens to mate with many cocks when colony breeding. They are in a separate breeding cage, I'm not actually colony breeding, and even if I was, I don't have another dominant pied..... , the only other cock I have is a cobalt normal. The mother is recessive pied presumably (no iris rings), if the chick is definitely DF dominant pied, the mother would have to be dominant pied as well...? The chick did have the white opaline down...... Now everyone's confused..... Dean_NZ - Thanks for the explanation about the potential for white chicks from 2 YF2 parents, I never really got that bit about there being SF & DF YF2 and how that breeds on... their is to explinations for this out come 1 the hen is to young but i dont think so she to me looks to be rec pied but ... and 2 she is a dominant pied hen from a domanaint pied / rec ped hen causing badley marked dom pie and holding the rec gene the iris rings dont always show also kazzy pointed something out to me today when questioning my own chicks mutation out comes she has come to a conclushion as i two agree with her that split opaline cocks get the white down All my chicks are hens.....father is opaline, mother is not...... as do split cin chicks get the plum eyes for first few days as we have norm cocks split for opaline who had white down in nest ..... just a thery at moment also hen is a gf sky blue and father mauve which explains the beautiful colours father is cobalt, not mauve mum could be opaline as i had one for ages who never visually looked opaline but defenently was kaz only just explained to me that their is a way to tell this is beside the point, as if the mother is opaline as well as the father then all the chicks must be opaline regardless of sex...... its if the barring on head is broken going lenghth ways across from eye to eye like this - - - - - - insted of full bar with out brakes and mabe dad is df dom just heavly marked only another cluthch will tell the truth of the matter next time put mum with a normal split opaline split rec pie cock that way if you get a opaline cock and a few rec pieds you will have your awnser dad can't be df dominant pied as there are 2 normal chicks in the latest round.... (see above) hope this all made sence pm me if you need more explained oh and if she has the broken barring she is defenently rec pie (gf sky recessive) and dad yf2 mauve df dom (yf2 (or gf) cobalt dom) this gives 100 percent dom chicks however there are normal chicks... the new chicks look to me to be mabe comming out like harliquine (??) breed opaline gf norms so mum probbly is rec dad may be split rec haven't got any recessive chicks as yet, chick from first clutch has iris rings. love to see chicks frount and back when feathered up as this would help me solve your mistry I assume there is sf & df golden face as well as sf & df yf (or yf2)...? okay, this has got all a bit confusing....... but somethings are standing out a bit. Opaline cock bird to non-oplaine will breed all opaline hens and all split opaline cocks (the white down on first round chick might be explained by split opaline as GB says) but other varieties also have white down - albino's, lacewings, etc so maybe the extensive white on the baby is to blame for the white down also. If you have normal hens (non opaline) something is not right but looking at the chicks 2 are oplaine and the white is impossible to tell at this stage - assume maybe actually a boy (which would be split oplaine) OR it is in fact opaline just you can see due to white being so extensive. If cock bird is breeding normal babies (non pied) he can only SF dominant pied and one would then have to assume that the first round chick is also only sf dom pied. Except for one thing that I'm not sure of - CAN YOU have a dominant pied recessive pied...... that is a recessive pied that "masks" dominant pied - 2 genes for rec pied one for dom pied OR are the 2 varieites mutually exclusive??????? Because the only way the first chick is df dom pied is if the cock AND the hen donated a dom pied gene. As far as YF goes there are 3 versions of YF - gf, YF1 & yf2. YF1 in sf is yellow faced, in df is white faced. YF2 in sf is yellow faced, in df is yellow faced with less body suffusion GF in sf is golden faced with heavy body suffusion, in df is golden faced with little body suffusion. I think..... Edited July 23, 2009 by nubbly5 Link to comment
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