Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Indulge an old bird and let me recall what I learnt at school. When I say, "The budgies have sore feet", there is no apostrophe in budgies because it is a plural (more than one). When I say, "The budgie's feet are sore", I use an apostrophe because I am talking about feet which belong to the budgie. Link to comment
Linda_S 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,189 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,125 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 19, 2015 Birthday: 29/10/1983 Share Posted May 22, 2009 That's what I learnt too. I also learnt that you should say the other person's name and I as well and not their name and me, eg. "Henry and I" not "Henry and me" but last year on 'Are you Smatter than a Fifth Grader' they had a question that proved me wrong. Link to comment
mattdog2 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,243 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,690 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18, 2010 Birthday: 13/08/1992 Share Posted May 22, 2009 indeed, i learnt that also, and how you are meant to say "I" instead of "Me" after you say the other persons name Link to comment
Hills 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,763 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 529 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 28, 2015 Birthday: 11/05/1963 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I thought you put the apostrophe after the "s", ie: the budgies' feet with Henry and I you just use whatever you'd use if you left off " Henry and" Henry and I went to the shops = I went to the shops Give it to Henry and me = give it to me Edited May 22, 2009 by Hills Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I thought you put the apostrophe after the "s", ie: the budgies' feet Yes, you would, if you were talking about more than one budgie. The budgies' feet = feet belonging to more than one budgie. The budgie's feet = feet of one budgie. Edited January 15, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
mattdog2 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,243 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,690 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18, 2010 Birthday: 13/08/1992 Share Posted May 22, 2009 its kind of confusing isn't it LOL The Budgie's Feet can mean either the feet of one budgie or the feet of more then 1 budgie Link to comment
Linda_S 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,189 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,125 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 19, 2015 Birthday: 29/10/1983 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I thought you put the apostrophe after the "s", ie: the budgies' feet with Henry and I you just use whatever you'd use if you left off " Henry and" Henry and I went to the shops = I went to the shops Give it to Henry and me = give it to me But then poor Henry doesn't get a mention at all Poor Henry.... Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 That's what I learnt too.I also learnt that you should say the other person's name and I as well and not their name and me, eg. "Henry and I" not "Henry and me" but last year on 'Are you Smatter than a Fifth Grader' they had a question that proved me wrong. What you learnt was correct. You say "Henry and I walked..." BUT there is a grammar point that even a former Rhodes scholar such as a former ALP leader got wrong. Example: They gave the pie to Henry and me." This is correct. Why? They are the subject of the sentence (the main actors). When you are not the subject of the sentence, you are me.This is probably the point they made (badly) in the program you watched. When you are the subject (the main actors) of the sentence as in "Henry and I walked..", you are I. So, what does the I and Me business matter? Not a lot in my opinion; unless you are doing some formal writing. I think it is better to be colloquial and always say "me", than be a pompous *** (like so many of our politicians) saying "He gave it to Boggs and I" and being dead wrong. Link to comment
Hills 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,763 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 529 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 28, 2015 Birthday: 11/05/1963 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I always get the plural of Attorney General wrong. For some stupid reason it's "Attorneys General" and don't get me started on "its" and "it's"!! Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 its kind of confusing isn't it LOLThe Budgie's Feet can mean either the feet of one budgie or the feet of more then 1 budgie It's confusing if you put the apostrophe in the wrong place. The budgie's feet can only mean the feet of one budgie.It's all getting complicated. Plurals are so simple. They don't have apostrophes. So why put them in and muddle something simple? I thought you put the apostrophe after the "s", ie: the budgies' feetwith Henry and I you just use whatever you'd use if you left off " Henry and"Henry and I went to the shops = I went to the shopsGive it to Henry and me = give it to meBut then poor Henry doesn't get a mention at all Poor Henry.... rofl. You are so right.I always get the plural of Attorney General wrong. For some stupid reason it's "Attorneys General" and don't get me started on "its" and "it's"!! I agree. Stay on the stuff with no apostrophes. Link to comment
Linda_S 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,189 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,125 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 19, 2015 Birthday: 29/10/1983 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks for clearing up me and I Link to comment
maesie 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 3,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,386 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/11/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2013 Birthday: 20/04/1979 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think Henry needs a group hug = Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks for clearing up me and I You are welcome.I think Henry needs a group hug = How right you are. Poor, poor Henry.Why did they edit what I wrote about a politician being a pompous ***? It's not a rude word and I did not name anyone. Link to comment
Munchie's Mum 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,928 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 970 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 6, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 The worst use of an apostrophe I've ever seen was on a sign at a fruit shop, advertising: Deliciou's Apples. Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 .Why did they edit what I wrote about a politician being a pompous ***? It's not a rude word and I did not name anyone.It means donkey, so there. The worst use of an apostrophe I've ever seen was on a sign at a fruit shop, advertising:Deliciou's Apples. OH NO!!. LOL They had got themselves into the contractions confusion which Hills did not want to go near. Link to comment
maesie 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 3,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,386 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/11/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2013 Birthday: 20/04/1979 Share Posted May 22, 2009 The worst use of an apostrophe I've ever seen was on a sign at a fruit shop, advertising: Deliciou's Apples. AND... I think the edit of the word meaning donkey is because it may be used by members to mean other things. Link to comment
Hills 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,763 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 529 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 28, 2015 Birthday: 11/05/1963 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hmmm... so how would you reference something that belonged to 2 Attorneys General?? Link to comment
Linda_S 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,189 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,125 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 19, 2015 Birthday: 29/10/1983 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Deliciou did grow some nice tasting apples though! Link to comment
Hills 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 4,763 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 529 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 28, 2015 Birthday: 11/05/1963 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks for clearing up me and I You are welcome. Shouldn't that be "youse are welcome" Link to comment
Chrysocome 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 2,476 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 78 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 607 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,290 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/07/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 14, 2013 Birthday: 28/02/1987 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Yikes! Let me clear something up. Some definitions: Singular = one, plural = more than one Possessive = belonging to Singular: Budgie Singular possessive: Budgie's feet Plural: Budgies Plural possessive: Budgies' feet Stick with this rule: any noun ending in 's' should have the apostrophe after the s when you you're talking about a belonging. Eg: The horse, the horse's feet The horses, the horses' feet Also: Jess' book not Jess's book. You should not have a word that ends with "s's" I hope that makes it easier to understand, or have I complicated it? Lol! And some common ones: They're = they are Their = belongs to them There = a place You're = you are Your = belongs to you Edited May 22, 2009 by Chrysocome Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) AND... I think the edit of the word meaning donkey is because it may be used by members to mean other things.Yes. Showing my age. Did not think of that. Being a pedant, I would have put an r and an e in it.Hmmm... so how would you reference something that belonged to 2 Attorneys General?? The attorneys generals' hats. Yes?Deliciou did grow some nice tasting apples though!Did she ever! rofl. My budgies loved them. Thanks for clearing up me and I You are welcome.Shouldn't that be "youse are welcome" Isn't it, "Ewes are welcome"? Edited May 22, 2009 by maesie Link to comment
Chrysocome 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 2,476 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 78 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 607 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,290 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/07/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 14, 2013 Birthday: 28/02/1987 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) My favourite, uh, grammatical thing is group plurals. Where group is a way of making plurals singular eg "A group" Example: Singular: person Singular plural: persons Group: people Group plural: peoples Hair is also fun: Singular: hair Singular plural: hairs Group: hair Group plural: hair If you think about it: adding an 's' to hair can make it smaller - hair, hairs. I love the English language! I also learnt something new the other day: In the US they don't use t form verbs. What I mean is, when we say: Learnt, spoilt, leapt, spilt, earnt They say... Learned, spoiled, leaped, spilled, earned! I always wondered about this! That would mean for us, learnt = verb, and learned = adjective (a learned person). But... burnt = adjective, burned = verb Complicated, isn't it! And one more fun grammatical rule I just remembered: Practice = noun, practise = verb In my medical practice, we let students practise on models Edited May 22, 2009 by Chrysocome Link to comment
Linda_S 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,189 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,125 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 19, 2015 Birthday: 29/10/1983 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Let's go back to the good old days where we grunt and when we draw a mammoth on the cave wall it means mammoth Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yikes! Let me clear something up. ...Well, I would agree with you the whole way except for the bit about Jess. Strictly speaking, I think you are right. However, to insist on the use of the apostrophe after Jess is, I think rather pedantic. We would probably say Jess's for the sake of clarity and so it is okay to write it. Chrysocome, you are a woman after my own heart. Link to comment
Chrysocome 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Member ID: 2,476 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 78 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 607 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,290 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/07/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 14, 2013 Birthday: 28/02/1987 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Haha, I don't insist on it myself. It's just a (British) grammatical rule that exists Something about the aesthetics of a word with "s's" in it. You are quite right about how we pronounce it that way. Here's a fun one. Weird is weird because it doesn't follow the rules: I before E, except after C. Edited May 22, 2009 by Chrysocome Link to comment
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