JimmyBanks 0 Posted May 4, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I have been searching the web and looking at different European breeders birds tonight and couldn't get over the differences between their birds and our birds. Sure I haven't seen any High End Australian Bred birds but I'm yet to see a picture of an Australian bred bird that looks like them. Do you think that we will ever 'catch up' to the Europeans in size? Do you like the look of the European birds? Personally I would like to have birds the same size but I do not like the feather of most of the top European breeders. The Birds seem to have great faces and masks but the feathers on the body and wings tend to look poor more often than not (in my humble opinion). Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted May 4, 2009 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted May 4, 2009 They are magnificent aren't they. But there is many reason the birds are that way. In breeding, Line breeding, Climate, Feeding. To name a few. Remember that Australia stopped exporting Budgerigars before World War II. During World War II there was no food and so many breeders had to decide which birds to keep as all couldn't be feed on the small amount of seed that was available. Many birds were lost. After the war Australia still refused to export birds and so the Breeders were forced to line or in breed the birds. The European breeders were used to this as they have done it successfully with many animals. Most of the birds in England could be traced back to a few that survived the war. Most birds in England and Europe are related in some way. The climate is also colder and promotes the growth of feather. The feeding is also different because of this. You will see a lot more Cod Liver Oil in their diets. I've tried that level of CLO and killed a lot of my birds as they got too fat and their livers failed due to it. We are getting up to their standards. But we must becareful to keep our varieties pure. They have lost the Clearwing and many other varieties because their sights were set on size and not variety. Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted May 4, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Thats an interesting point you make Daz. I think its a shame that some varieties have been lost. I guess that the possibility to see them again is still there but very minimal... :mallet: Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted May 4, 2009 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2009 You should see some of the canadian birds. Jeepers! Canadian show budgies Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'd never even seen a budgie from Canada before that Dean... thanks for the link :mallet: Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I have been searching the web and looking at different European breeders birds tonight and couldn't get over the differences between their birds and our birds. Sure I haven't seen any High End Australian Bred birds but I'm yet to see a picture of an Australian bred bird that looks like them. Do you think that we will ever 'catch up' to the Europeans in size? Do you like the look of the European birds? Personally I would like to have birds the same size but I do not like the feather of most of the top European breeders. The Birds seem to have great faces and masks but the feathers on the body and wings tend to look poor more often than not (in my humble opinion). The English/European Birds have been widely accepted as the best in the world for a long time. Since the importation for birds from England in the late 90's the quality of birds have rapidly increased to the point that our very best would be very competitive the their best. In last few years we have had a number of International judges, judge at the Nationals. Their comments suggest the gap has reduce significantly overall, in some varieties our birds are undoubtly better. The advantage they have is a greater number of breeders in the hobby and therefore greater numbers of quality birds. JB - In a couple of weeks, the very best young birds in Victoria will be shown at the Young Bird Shield. The show is also the selction for Victoria to compete against other states at the Nationals held the week later. At this show you will see many birds that will be successful at the Nationals. I encourage anyone with an interest in budgies (beginner or experienced) to get to this show, you will get a chance to see in the flesh some of the VERY BEST exhibition budgerigar in the country. Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted May 5, 2009 They are stunning birds. Our problem here in Australia is we have far too many budgie lines. We have a genetic mess in comparison to the European budgies which have had all the messy genetics weeded out to create a stunning bird. Because of all the close relations, a breeder can pick a bird from another breeder to add features to their own birds and are nearly always guaranteed to "click". Here in Aust, we buy a bird from another breeder to add features and often end up with more genetic mess that takes a lot of work to breed out Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Heath i was with Janice Al-Nasser last year when she commented on Bluey say that he would have won the BS if shown there. No that is a great comment from her. I believe that we can produce birds as equal to the best in Europe and UK. Why couldn't we? Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Heath i was with Janice Al-Nasser last year when she commented on Bluey say that he would have won the BS if shown there. No that is a great comment from her. I believe that we can produce birds as equal to the best in Europe and UK. Why couldn't we? Yeah i thought Janice had made that comment, wasn't sure and didnt want to misrepresent Janice. I think Jeff Attwood made comments similar a couple of years back. Also Mark Bridgeman judged at the BS show last year, he's made comments that our top birds are up there in comparison. With respect to Liv's comment about too many bloodlines, it would be very interesting to know the origins of the top breeders in Australia. I suspect that the top breeders have a similar bloodline (ie Mannes) Interestingly there were very few Mannes birds imported into Australia.. Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) okay I'm very poor with genetics but wouldn't more genetics be better in the long run Liv? When did they ban the importation of Budgies? For all interested the details for the Y.B. Shield heath was talking about are: Y.B. SHIELD Sunday, May 17th 2009 Northland Secondary College, 62 Murray Road, EAST PRESTON Edited May 5, 2009 by JimmyBanks Link to comment
splat 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted May 5, 2009 WOW those canadian birds are great wish I owned some of them, the heads on those babies wow some look freaky Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2009 WOW those canadian birds are great wish I owned some of them, the heads on those babies wow some look freaky HUGE heads on those babies huh! I couldn't believe it! Its great to know that there are birds like that in canada since i will be moving there sometime after i graduate here in 2 years. Link to comment
Catherine 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 5,207 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 617 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,480 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 11, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Wow, those Canadian birds were something else! Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted May 5, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 Wow, those Canadian birds were something else! If you check out the showbiz link on that page you will see that he takes out just about every class at each show... Something tells me he's a good breeder. I do like the definition of the ideal bird on his page... "Balance, Power and Elegance" and "Composed, Dynamic and Refined" I think they give a good description of what a show bird should be... Dean what are the standards in NZ like compared to Australia and the rest of the world? Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted May 6, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted May 6, 2009 The uk birds are so much bigger with so much more feather. They must be on steroids or somthing. Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted May 6, 2009 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted May 6, 2009 The uk birds are so much bigger with so much more feather. They must be on steroids or somthing. Pearce I'm not sure the english birds are that much bigger, maybe slightly bigger. They definately carry more feather. It's always hard to determine size from looking at a picture over the internet. Even pictures in show cages can be deceptive, there show cage are not the same size as ours!!! Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted May 6, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted May 6, 2009 On daniel lutolfs birds their are feathers around the legs and everything. I've never seen australian show birds that big. Look at the head and legs on that bird Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted May 6, 2009 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Like i said Pearce they carry more Feather. Feathers around the legs isnt that desirable. Great Facial features, but i would like to see pictures from other angles. I friend of mine visited Danile Lutolf, in April 2007. I have a cd with about 500 photo's from that visit, photo's were taken at different angles to give a better perspective of the overall bird. Very Interesting!!!!!!!!! Link to comment
shannon bird breeder 0 Posted May 6, 2009 Member ID: 4,671 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,386 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 7,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/09/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 24, 2011 Birthday: 12/09/1994 Share Posted May 6, 2009 can you post sume photos if you can Link to comment
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