Guest mariah Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 i am just a little curious to know. i am not planning on breeding siblings!:rofl: :rofl: well anyway,i am just asking Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted April 25, 2009 because the genetics are too close and you will start getting faults and weaknesses in the birds. Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 25, 2009 experienced breeders do inbreed for better birds. Father to daughter and mother to father I think. I dont know anyone who would do brother to sister. I would not suggest doing it unless you are really experienced and know your birds. Problems can occur, budgies born with deformities. Link to comment
Guest mariah Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 experienced breeders do inbreed for better birds. Father to daughter and mother to father I think. I dont know anyone who would do brother to sister. I would not suggest doing it unless you are really experienced and know your birds. Problems can occur, budgies born with deformities. oh.......now i know :rofl: Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 25, 2009 experienced breeders do inbreed for better birds. Father to daughter and mother to father I think. I dont know anyone who would do brother to sister. I would not suggest doing it unless you are really experienced and know your birds. Problems can occur, budgies born with deformities. Most show breeders do not breed that close Pearce................cousins yes brother and sister...most do NOT Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I know show breeders who breed father to daughter and mother to son Kaz. and as I said in previous post I do not know anyone who breeds brother to sister, does not mean it has not been done. Edited April 25, 2009 by Pearce Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I know show breeders who breed father to daughter and mother to son Kaz. and as I said in previous post I do not know anyone who breeds brother to sister, does not mean it has not been done. Like I said Pearce MOST do not. Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Alot of the uk breeders do it to increase size in their flock. I will find you some good websites on it. I suggest you do not inbreed unless you are more experienced Link to comment
Angelic Vampyre 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 3,545 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,028 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/07/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 26, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Our club it is common practise to breed father to daughter mother to son. I do not do it but the amoun of breeders at our club that tl us about how they do it is high. Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted April 25, 2009 You can breed any bird together. The risk of breeding very close is that you double up on features, Even recessive ones. If the features are a fault, then you double up on it. I know breeders that have tried brother and sister. I have done it. But it didn't work for them and it didn't work for me. I pair as close as Half Brother to Half sister, cousins, Grand father to Grand daughter. But you have to know your birds and what faults they have. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I have and will breed cousin to cousin, half brother half sister, grand daughter to grand father and this year I am putting daughter to father only because the father is getting on and will mostly likely be the last year I get anything out of him. I am breeding this way because I am establishing my own stud. The old cock bird is my foundation cock. But each time I go close to him, with the next generation I out cross then I go back to his blood again. It's like a xmas tree branches, out back, out back. In a few years all my birds should look the same. With breeding so close yes you do run the risk of bad traits coming out but also you can get some ripper things too. I would never do full brother to full sister. Edited April 25, 2009 by splat Link to comment
Heathrow 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,396 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 307 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,810 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1974 Share Posted April 25, 2009 experienced breeders do inbreed for better birds. Father to daughter and mother to father I think. I dont know anyone who would do brother to sister. I would not suggest doing it unless you are really experienced and know your birds. Problems can occur, budgies born with deformities. Most show breeders do not breed that close Pearce................cousins yes brother and sister...most do NOT Kaz - A lot of breeders including myself bred father to daughter and mother to son. I would say the most DO breed that close. I know a breeder that paired Brother to Sister by mistake, and the chicks turned out really good. In saying that most of the times that i have heard brother to sister pairing they have ended up being culled out. I regularly pair half brother to half sister, which is good pairing if the common parent is excellent. Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 25, 2009 experienced breeders do inbreed for better birds. Father to daughter and mother to father I think. I dont know anyone who would do brother to sister. I would not suggest doing it unless you are really experienced and know your birds. Problems can occur, budgies born with deformities. Most show breeders do not breed that close Pearce................cousins yes brother and sister...most do NOT Kaz - A lot of breeders including myself bred father to daughter and mother to son. I would say the most DO breed that close. I know a breeder that paired Brother to Sister by mistake, and the chicks turned out really good. In saying that most of the times that i have heard brother to sister pairing they have ended up being culled out. I regularly pair half brother to half sister, which is good pairing if the common parent is excellent. I agree, excellent info Heathrow. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Kaz - A lot of breeders including myself bred father to daughter and mother to son. I would say the most DO breed that close. I know a breeder that paired Brother to Sister by mistake, and the chicks turned out really good. In saying that most of the times that i have heard brother to sister pairing they have ended up being culled out. I regularly pair half brother to half sister, which is good pairing if the common parent is excellent. I am sure a lot do. I am just speaking from my expereince and what I hear of breeders I associate with. Link to comment
shannon bird breeder 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,671 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,386 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 7,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/09/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 24, 2011 Birthday: 12/09/1994 Share Posted April 25, 2009 most breed do it here but i am not doing it till i am beter and now my birds Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 25, 2009 good choice shannon your the same as me. Link to comment
macka 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 3,383 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,136 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 31, 2012 Birthday: 24/06/1948 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I like these,seasoned breeders,we breed, brother to sister,how many make it to the show cage,its alright to say,you do it,but if they,dont make it to the bench,its pointless. Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Henry George tried it but it didn't work. Not say don't only saying it didn't work for him. I tried it but lost the family through illness so it didn't work for me. Link to comment
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