**Liv** 0 Posted April 17, 2009 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) MB I am so sorry you are experiencing the devastation of an outbreak of a killer disease. I'm not so sure about the wisdom of open water dishes, how about a drinker placed on the floor nearby? Heat and carbs are vital so adding Calcivet to the water would be good, though you'll have to replenish it regularly. For all the ones huddling around looking crook I would crop feed them a mixture of calcivet and protein powder every 6-8 hours. I thought Calcium inhibits the antibiotic intake. Edited April 17, 2009 by **Liv** Link to comment
splat 0 Posted April 17, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I would crop needle medication to make sure they get a dose Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Unfortunately we have Splat The two grey green youngsters from the same nest and most of the others aren't looking good. I am crop needling most of them now other than a few that are still looking pretty goos and are drinking on their own. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Oh my Gosh MB that is awful, I hope they pull through for you. Let me know how they go. That is really so sad. I will be thinking of you and all your sick birds. Link to comment
renee 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2009 MB I am so sorry you are experiencing the devastation of an outbreak of a killer disease. I'm not so sure about the wisdom of open water dishes, how about a drinker placed on the floor nearby? Heat and carbs are vital so adding Calcivet to the water would be good, though you'll have to replenish it regularly. For all the ones huddling around looking crook I would crop feed them a mixture of calcivet and protein powder every 6-8 hours. I thought Calcium inhibits the antibiotic intake. I don't know about that. But I do know the sugar content in Calcivet is a good energy boost that helps the birds. :rip: Link to comment
splat 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I use Poly-aid plus from Vetafarm when my birds are sick it gives them the energy to fight. Product Description FIRST AID IN A BOTTLE NUTRIENT SUPPLEMENT FOR SICK AND INJURED BIRDS, DOGS, CATS AND OTHER SMALL ANIMALS Poly-aid plus is a sustained release carbohydrate and protein supplement with multivitamins and electrolytes and nine strain Probotic® for sick or stressed birds and small animals. It is recommended in all birds and animals with a calorie and/or protein deficit. Directions: All avian species: Give 10g per 100g bodyweight per day in two divided doses, by crop needle or spoon. When mixing Poly-aid plus, add very small quantities of water to the desired amount of powder and mix well – continue to add drops of water until the mix is a custard consistency. Add to the feeding syringe and administer with a crop needle or direct to the mouth. Other species: Mix as above and give to effect. Poly Aid Plus saves lives! It is the original “First Aid in a Bottle” for birds. All sick birds should be given a dose of Poly-aid plus as they go into the hospital cage. Poly-aid plus provides a high energy, high protein supplement that is readily absorbed and utilised. This allows the birds to fight the disease or trauma that put them in the hospital cage initially. Poly-aid plus does not cure disease - it simply gives the birds some energy to fight for themselves. Active Constituents: Retinol Acetate (Vitamin A), Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), dl-Alpha-Tocopherol Acetate, Menadione di-Methyl Pyrimidinol Bisulfite, Nicotinic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cyanocobalamin, Folic Acid, Choline Bitartrate, Biotin, Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Sulphate, Calcium Gluconate, Albumen, Starch - Maize (hydrolysed), and Probotic® -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I use Poly-aid plus from Vetafarm when my birds are sick it gives them the energy to fight. Product Description FIRST AID IN A BOTTLE NUTRIENT SUPPLEMENT FOR SICK AND INJURED BIRDS, DOGS, CATS AND OTHER SMALL ANIMALS Poly-aid plus is a sustained release carbohydrate and protein supplement with multivitamins and electrolytes and nine strain Probotic® for sick or stressed birds and small animals. It is recommended in all birds and animals with a calorie and/or protein deficit. Directions: All avian species: Give 10g per 100g bodyweight per day in two divided doses, by crop needle or spoon. When mixing Poly-aid plus, add very small quantities of water to the desired amount of powder and mix well – continue to add drops of water until the mix is a custard consistency. Add to the feeding syringe and administer with a crop needle or direct to the mouth. Other species: Mix as above and give to effect. Poly Aid Plus saves lives! It is the original “First Aid in a Bottle” for birds. All sick birds should be given a dose of Poly-aid plus as they go into the hospital cage. Poly-aid plus provides a high energy, high protein supplement that is readily absorbed and utilised. This allows the birds to fight the disease or trauma that put them in the hospital cage initially. Poly-aid plus does not cure disease - it simply gives the birds some energy to fight for themselves. Active Constituents: Retinol Acetate (Vitamin A), Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), dl-Alpha-Tocopherol Acetate, Menadione di-Methyl Pyrimidinol Bisulfite, Nicotinic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cyanocobalamin, Folic Acid, Choline Bitartrate, Biotin, Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Sulphate, Calcium Gluconate, Albumen, Starch - Maize (hydrolysed), and Probotic® -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is good stuff I use it too. Link to comment
dek21 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,111 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 256 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,760 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 13, 2017 Birthday: 21/04/1967 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm sorry to hear of your losses. I have no experience with anything like your going through but I hope things improve soon. Good Luck. Link to comment
macka 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,383 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,136 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 31, 2012 Birthday: 24/06/1948 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Have any of you,that are haveing problems,with sick birds, stopped & thought,why do i have these birds, that get sick all the time.Is there any reacuring reason this happens & why do I keep doing the same things every time. In the last week or so,there have been at least 5ppl have come on my birds are sick, I did this I did that. I had them in quarantine,I gave them every known medicine, that you can give a bird,but now they are sick. I have been breeding birds & poultry for a long time &been around a lot of breeders, I might get the odd one that gets a bit fluffed up,its put in a pen & given a Vit C in the water,for a day or 2 & if showing no improvement. Its sent to GOD,Touch Wood,I have never had more then 2 birds sick at the same time.In the last 10 years I would of treated no more then 8 bird,for being a bit fluffed up.If I buy a bird,it would not go into the flight,till I had breed with it & if it did't breed,,,,,,,out.I only buy in young birds & only from breeders I know. Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Macka I can only speak for AV and myself but it is extremely rare that either of our birds get ill. In this case we both got some birds from a breeder that we know and trusted, we quarantined, etc and all of a sudden we have both had problems at the same time. Personally I would be surprised if our two illnesses were unrelated, needless to say I'm not very impressed with this 'trusted breeder' right now Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Have any of you,that are haveing problems,with sick birds, stopped & thought,why do i have these birds, that getsick all the time.Is there any reacuring reason this happens & why do I keep doing the same things every time. In the last week or so,there have been at least 5ppl have come on my birds are sick, I did this I did that. I had them in quarantine,I gave them every known medicine, that you can give a bird,but now they are sick. I have been breeding birds & poultry for a long time &been around a lot of breeders, I might get the odd one that gets a bit fluffed up,its put in a pen & given a Vit C in the water,for a day or 2 & if showing no improvement. Its sent to GOD,Touch Wood,I have never had more then 2 birds sick at the same time.In the last 10 years I would of treated no more then 8 bird,for being a bit fluffed up.If I buy a bird,it would not go into the flight,till I had breed with it & if it did't breed,,,,,,,out.I only buy in young birds & only from breeders I know. I can understand that. however, Speaking for myself, and possibly others here. Many of us are new to the breeding and "sending birds to god" is something that is easier said than done. Our flocks are small, our hearts are young and we see the individuality in each bird. Hence we get saddened when they get sick and want to make them better. I know many seasoned breeders like yourself Macka, who are far more casual about life and death. These things come with time, experience that lots of us are yet to have. Edited April 18, 2009 by **Liv** Link to comment
renee 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Have any of you,that are haveing problems,with sick birds, stopped & thought,why do i have these birds, that getsick all the time.Is there any reacuring reason this happens & why do I keep doing the same things every time. In the last week or so,there have been at least 5ppl have come on my birds are sick, I did this I did that. I had them in quarantine,I gave them every known medicine, that you can give a bird,but now they are sick. I have been breeding birds & poultry for a long time &been around a lot of breeders, I might get the odd one that gets a bit fluffed up,its put in a pen & given a Vit C in the water,for a day or 2 & if showing no improvement. Its sent to GOD,Touch Wood,I have never had more then 2 birds sick at the same time.In the last 10 years I would of treated no more then 8 bird,for being a bit fluffed up.If I buy a bird,it would not go into the flight,till I had breed with it & if it did't breed,,,,,,,out.I only buy in young birds & only from breeders I know. I can understand that. however, Speaking for myself, and possibly others here. Many of us are new to the breeding and "sending birds to god" is something that is easier said than done. Our flocks are small, our hearts are young and we see the individuality in each bird. Hence we get saddened when they get sick and want to make them better. I know many seasoned breeders like yourself Macka, who are far more casual about life and death. These things come with time, experience that lots of us are yet to have. I think Liv that Macka's point is that he rarely has deaths at all and has built up a good immunity in his birds. Not that he is casual towards death in his birds, rather he rarely has to deal with it. Also implicit in his comments that perhaps quarantine could have been more thorough. Edited April 18, 2009 by renee Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I have the utmost sympathy for you.. you know that, but can I ask you to stop and think for a moment. Is there anything that you have done to break the quarrentine rules? There has to be some thing that you have missed that has cause this desease to enter your aviary... don't worry I went through this last year, it's not good but i learnt from it and came out stronger. There is one advice I live with. Gerald Binks gave it to us... "When things go wrong, it's our fault" Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I thought Calcium inhibits the antibiotic intake. Vet advice when treating with doxy is to remove all sources of calcium and any extra water sources ( vegies ) .......... so this is true. Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 I don't believe I have broken any quarantine rules, I'm fairly strict. I have had psitticosis here once before ages ago but I picked it up during quarantine and isolated it and it never made it to any ofmy aviaries, I learnt then just how important quarantine is. The only 'outside' birds that may have accessed near the aviary are pigeons that sometimes get themselves into the garage through the back door if I leave it open on a nice day. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 18, 2009 The only 'outside' birds that may have accessed near the aviary are pigeons that sometimes get themselves into the garage through the back door if I leave it open on a nice day. Pigeons...the "rats" of the bird world Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 18, 2009 The only 'outside' birds that may have accessed near the aviary are pigeons that sometimes get themselves into the garage through the back door if I leave it open on a nice day. Pigeons...the "rats" of the bird world I hate pigeons. When i had an open roof aviary they always sat on the roof and gave the birds countless diseases. Link to comment
maesie 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,386 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/11/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2013 Birthday: 20/04/1979 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) I have been breeding birds & poultry for a long time &been around a lot of breeders, I might get the odd onethat gets a bit fluffed up,its put in a pen & given a Vit C in the water,for a day or 2 & if showing no improvement. Its sent to GOD, Geez Macka... I'd hate to be one of your children... especially if a vitamin C tablet didn't get rid of my cold!!! :rip: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I really feel for all of those who have had losses such as these... for those with smaller flocks and growing attachments to our birds, it must be so hard. I hope all is sorted out soon... and MB, becareful with your health and bub!!! Maybe put a screen door on your garage for those nice days. You can often get cheap ones from old recycling places! Edited April 18, 2009 by maesie Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Unfortunately Maesie it's not as simply as a screen door. I don't have a walk in door on my cgarage, the door at the back is a single car size garage door. I rent otherwise I'd have some sort of permanent frame erected with wire in it. Link to comment
maesie 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 3,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,386 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/11/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2013 Birthday: 20/04/1979 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Unfortunately Maesie it's not as simply as a screen door. I don't have a walk in door on my cgarage, the door at the back is a single car size garage door. I rent otherwise I'd have some sort of permanent frame erected with wire in it. Awww, damn hey!!! I hope you don't loose any more mate!!! (((((hugs))))) Link to comment
Munchie's Mum 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,928 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 970 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 6, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I hate pigeons. When i had an open roof aviary they always sat on the roof and gave the birds countless diseases. Hmmm.....there's something that never occurred to me when we opened the roof of my biggest aviary last week . Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) if bird droppings fall into your aviary it is not good. Wild birds are full of disease especially pigeons. I hope you and your birds can get through this Melbournebudgies. Edited April 18, 2009 by Pearce Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2009 hugs to you MB, hoping you can get it all sorted out Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Unfortunately Maesie it's not as simply as a screen door. I don't have a walk in door on my cgarage, the door at the back is a single car size garage door. I rent otherwise I'd have some sort of permanent frame erected with wire in it. Shadecloth wide enough to cover.......attached to a piece of timber that can hang at the top with hooks .....same timber at the bottom.....creating a kind of shadecloth blind...either hook it up to use and roll it up and out of the way when not needed, or rig it up like a blind that rolls up. Link to comment
Angelic Vampyre 0 Posted April 19, 2009 Member ID: 3,545 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,028 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/07/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 26, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Hey, know how you feel. I think we have stopped it here but still have a few we are worried about. Vet had a talk to me about carriers that no matter how good our quarantine would have been then this still would have happened. Link to comment
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