Goldenface?

[Cory 0]

What's the difference between a Yellowface Type 2 and a Goldenface?

[krosp 0]

Was going to ask the same thing after my recent thread that showed Cosmo's colour change from blue to green...

 

He now looks like this:

 

 

and people said he was goldenface, even though when I first posted on here people told me YF2.

 

Very curious

[Dean_NZ 0]

Goldenface is a much stronger yellow colour, still par-blue, but when placed next to a YF1 or YF2 is obviously a lot brighter in colouration. I believe goldenfaces originated in australia and were imported to NZ and the UK.

[Pearce 0]

Golden faces are alot brighter than yellowfaces. I do not have a goldenface picture but you will be able to tell the difference easy.

Their are two yf types and only 1 goldenface type.

[krosp 0]

So what is Cosmo? Even though you'd probably call him "green" now, I think you can still tell that it's a very blue colour.

[Pearce 0]

In my opinion he looks golden face in that photo. It may just be the way the photo was taken but the yellow looks very bright. If I am wrong then he is yf2 as the yellow has gone into the body colour. Hes a stunning little fellow.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Pearce

[Cory 0]

Was going to ask the same thing after my recent thread that showed Cosmo's colour change from blue to green...He now looks like this: and people said he was goldenface, even though when I first posted on here people told me YF2.Very curious

It was beacause of that same thread that I got curious too.. since my budgie looks exactly like Cosmo except he is a dominant pied but the yellow is just as bright and the blue is just as green lol.. still people said he was a YF2 now I'm thinking he is a goldenface!?

In my opinion he looks golden face in that photo. It may just be the way the photo was taken but the yellow looks very bright. If I am wrong then he is yf2 as the yellow has gone into the body colour. Hes a stunning little fellow.

So if it is a goldenface the yellow doesn't go into the body color? because if that is the case then my budgie is a YF2 and so is Cosmo?

[Pearce 0]

I beleive goldenface dilutes into the body colour same as yf2.

[chrissy0705 0]

I asked this same question a while back and it seemed to confuse me a bit too. But based on the picture you have provided there is clearly blue (and green ) running through it's body. To me this looks like a Yellowface II Sky Blue Normal Cock. I may be wrong but that's what it looks like to me. My understanding of a Goldenface was that the mutation effects the FACE and not as much of the body color as a Yellowface II does. The yellow on the face would be brighter than any other yellowfaced bird including your Normal green budies. I may also be wrong here too but my understanding was that a Goldenface can occur on both blue and green series birds, were yellowface II can only occur on blue series birds. The experts will correct me if I am wrong, but after asking this question before I really tried to process it and apply it to the birds I had and read more about it. I'm interested in seeing what the others have to say.

[Pearce 0]

This is a yf2, Note the body colour is not sky blue nor is it cobalt. Its a seafoam green colour because the yellowface has gone into the body

 

This is a goldenface, note the goldenface has gone into the body and made it even darker.

 

I take back the goldenface. I beleive it to be a yf2 after reading Barrie shutts mutation page.

 

Chrissy I always thought green series birds can get yellowface gene. but you cannot tell if they have it because all green birds have a yellowface.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Pearce

[krosp 0]

okay... I think the photo I showed is quite an accurate one of how bright his yellow is. It's kind of in between the two you've shown! I think he is yf2, but he's still not fully grown up yet... and his yellow always gets brighter. I will probably be able to tell once he's finished his moult and got his adult colour whether his yellow is as bright as that one. It's certainly not that bright just yet.

[chrissy0705 0]

You may be right about that pearce... I may have misunderstood and thought they couldn't be YFII but what was said is that you couldn't SEE that they were YFII... I'd be intersted in someone confirming which is correct.

 

Here are two of mine... I believe this is a Goldenface Dominant Pied Sky Blue Cock. I know he is sky blue because it has been proven through breeding him to a sky blue dominant pied hen and got all sky blue chicks.

 

 

This one I believe is a Yellowface II Greywing Sky Blue Cock. I know he is sky blue because it has been proven through breeing him to an Opaline Mauve hen and got all cobalt chicks.

 

 

Both being blue series birds... one goldenface and one yellowface II.

[Cory 0]

okay... I think the photo I showed is quite an accurate one of how bright his yellow is. It's kind of in between the two you've shown! I think he is yf2, but he's still not fully grown up yet... and his yellow always gets brighter. I will probably be able to tell once he's finished his moult and got his adult colour whether his yellow is as bright as that one. It's certainly not that bright just yet.

 

 

That's the same thing I was gonna say about Sonny (my budgie) since he is way darker than the first photo but his face isn't as bright as the second one.. but Sonny is only about 3-5 months so I guess I have to wait and see?

[Pearce 0]

okay... I think the photo I showed is quite an accurate one of how bright his yellow is. It's kind of in between the two you've shown! I think he is yf2, but he's still not fully grown up yet... and his yellow always gets brighter. I will probably be able to tell once he's finished his moult and got his adult colour whether his yellow is as bright as that one. It's certainly not that bright just yet.

okay so if hes moult is not over yet then their is a chance his yellow will get brighter.I believe A green bird can still get the yellowface gene just like any other bird. But its too hard to tell if he has it or not without breeding because his face is yellow anyway, its the way green is. I would also like someone to confirm this.

 

Hey chrissy. I got this from barrie shutts website:

We can breed yellow faces in all the blue series birds including albinos,dark eyed clears,greys and violets in all their three depths of shades.

 

Green series birds can mask a yellow face character,but they can carry both yellow face and blue as a split at the same time.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Pearce

[chrissy0705 0]

okay... I think the photo I showed is quite an accurate one of how bright his yellow is. It's kind of in between the two you've shown! I think he is yf2, but he's still not fully grown up yet... and his yellow always gets brighter. I will probably be able to tell once he's finished his moult and got his adult colour whether his yellow is as bright as that one. It's certainly not that bright just yet.

okay so if hes moult is not over yet then their is a chance his yellow will get brighter.I believe A green bird can still get the yellowface gene just like any other bird. But its too hard to tell if he has it or not without breeding because his face is yellow anyway, its the way green is. I would also like someone to confirm this.

 

I'm gonna suggest checking under his wings to see if there is any blue. If you see blue under the wings he is a blue series bird, if not he is a green bird. As for the yellowface, I would agree to wait for molt and see how bright the face is. I still think it's a blue series bird, but after seeing pearce's pictures of the Goldenface vs. Yellowface... I'm gonna stick with Yellowface II Sky Blue. I look forward to hearing what the others think.

[Cory 0]

I'm gonna suggest checking under his wings to see if there is any blue. If you see blue under the wings he is a blue series bird, if not he is a green bird. As for the yellowface, I would agree to wait for molt and see how bright the face is. I still think it's a blue series bird, but after seeing pearce's pictures of the Goldenface vs. Yellowface... I'm gonna stick with Yellowface II Sky Blue. I look forward to hearing what the others think.

 

 

But wasn't Cosmo a blue bird to start with? and then he changed to green.. so he is a blue series bird.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Cory

[Pearce 0]

Yellowface 2's start as blue birds and cannot be told apart from type 1's. When they moult the yellow bleeds into the body colour resulting in a seafoam aqua green colour. They are still green series birds. I've seen early pictures of cosmo and he definitly looks blue series to me.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Pearce

[Cory 0]

Yellowface 2's start as blue birds and cannot be told apart from type 1's. When they moult the yellow bleeds into the body colour resulting in a seafoam aqua green colour. They are still green series birds. I've seen early pictures of cosmo and he definitly looks blue series to me.

 

 

Okay.. that just confused me ..So if they result in a green shade of color they are green series birds!? even if they start as blue!? I'm new to this I get confused very easily..

Edited April 11, 2009 by Cory

[krosp 0]

He's still blue under his wings, and he was blue to begin with (see the picture in my signature - that was within our first week of having him)

 

I'm pretty sure he's cobalt.

 

Just not sure on the YF2 vs goldenface, but I lean towards YF2 for now, depending on how dark his yellow/green goes once he's an adult. He's almost there I think, I guess that he's around 9 months.

[Pearce 0]

Yellowface 2's start as blue birds and cannot be told apart from type 1's. When they moult the yellow bleeds into the body colour resulting in a seafoam aqua green colour. They are still green series birds. I've seen early pictures of cosmo and he definitly looks blue series to me.

 

 

Okay.. that just confused me ..So if they result in a green shade of color they are green series birds!? even if they start as blue!? I'm new to this I get confused very easily..

 

No they are still blue series birds. The colour is a mix of blue and green. Which is seafoam green. Its not a true green colour like light or dark green but its not cobalt or skyblue either. when yellow mixes with blue it makes a greenish colour very similar to what happened to cosmo. He started blue but the yellow went down into his body colour and changed the colour from blue to seafoam green. He is still a blue series bird and if bred with a blue bird you would get all bird birds.

[nubbly5 0]

This is how I understand the YF mutations to be, but might be off the track here though so if someone has a more definitive answer please fill me in!

 

Goldenface = Australian Yellowface - single factor produces strong yellow pigment and after first moult, strong suffusion through the body colour producing an almost green look. Double factor gives same strong yellow pigment with much reduced yellow body suffusion - stunning YF birds.

 

Creamface = English YF - single factor produces light greamy yellow face with some body suffusion which is usually covered by body colour producing a softer slightly aqua colour in skyblues, in albino's, white DF's and white lacewings a soft yellow colour is evident over the entire body. Double factor does not show any yellow face and appears the same as a normal blue.

 

Cosmo appears to be a single factor golden face (or in my book an Aussi Yellowface).

[chrissy0705 0]

I think it would be best to say the END color will not be a blue or geen. But the base starting color IS either sky blue or cobalt blue. The yellowface gene bleeds the body color resulting in a green colored bird. (Yellow and blue make green).

 

Seeing the pics of your chick from the begining it's no doubt it is a blue series bird (I'd agree Cobalt). I'd just wait to see what the face turns out to be after the molt and go from there.

 

Good luck, can't wait to see pics then!!!!

[Cory 0]

I'll try and take some pictures of Sonny.. He is a dominant pied and I'm not sure what shade of blue he is.. he also seems to be YF2 instead of goldenface but I have a sky blue recessive pied hen that is also YF2 and her yellow color is way lighter than Sonny's so that makes me curious as well. My hen's color looks more creamier and Sonny's looks more like a yellow-green. Sonny's colors look alot like Cosmo's but Sonny is only about 3-5 months while Cosmo is 9 .. so I guess there is a chance that Sonny could be a goldenface if he gets brighter after his molt?

[Pearce 0]

Has sonny had his first moult yet?

If not then yes its possible he will moult into all new feathers.

[Sailorwolf 0]

It is possible for any bird to carry any gene, no matter what their base colour is or what other genes they have. Some genes just mask other genes.

 

Cosmo is a blue series birds and will always be a blue series.

Green series birds can carry yellowface, white face, goldenface, you name it.

 

You think Cosmo is green? Take a look at Arkady in my signature. He used to be blue.