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...are they your new babies

 

one is mine the other is MB's... we haven't decided which is who's yet...

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Oh how cute Proud dad :rofl:

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Thanks Daz and Daryl, Gee GB have to mention that at a meeting.

Daryl I am now on 22 points need 8 points to go to the next level and yes Geoff Gardner is a treasure to have in our club, he came to my house yesterday and help me pair the birds up will post a new post on the pairings soon but I now have 9 breeding cages in action.

 

My winning white DF spangle has now no tail feathers Geoff pulled them yesterday because they were broken so I don't think they will be grown back in time for the young bird shield :rofl:

 

Just found out that I am getting another sash from the show, Opp Sex Adult bird in Show it went home with someone else

 

Splat can you explain what system there is in Victoria.. I am always interested in the differences around the states.

Daz if you go to the BCV web page & click on Points & Exhibitors & at the bottem of the page it is explained,

how you gain the points,to move up the ladder,you need 30 points to move from Beginner to Intermedite &30 to

move Open.Then 60 points to move to Champion,then you have 3 years to accumalate 60 points to stop in Champion,in the fourth year the points you gained in the first year as champion are droped off.

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Thanks Daz and Daryl, Gee GB have to mention that at a meeting.

Daryl I am now on 22 points need 8 points to go to the next level and yes Geoff Gardner is a treasure to have in our club, he came to my house yesterday and help me pair the birds up will post a new post on the pairings soon but I now have 9 breeding cages in action.

 

My winning white DF spangle has now no tail feathers Geoff pulled them yesterday because they were broken so I don't think they will be grown back in time for the young bird shield :rofl:

 

Just found out that I am getting another sash from the show, Opp Sex Adult bird in Show it went home with someone else

 

Splat can you explain what system there is in Victoria.. I am always interested in the differences around the states.

 

Do you meen the point system daz.

Well this is how I think it goes

You need

30points to be promoted from

beginner to intermediate

intermediate to open but then you need 60 points to go from open to Champion

But you need to stay on 60 points every year to stay Champ

I think every year they take points off you that you earned 3 years earlier bringing your points back so you need to keep winning if possiable to keep your status

 

At the shields

1st place 10 points

2nd 7 points

3rd 3 points

 

At a Diploma show

10 points for Diploma which is champ young bird in Show

5 points best bird in class if their are 20 birds and 3 exhibtors

Daz if you look up the BCV site you can look up the rules.

I was going to copy it for you but it won't let me :D

 

The 2 shows I have shown at I have won the Adult bird in beginners but no points because there were not enough birds in the class.

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Thanks Macka and Splat. I'll read up on your rules.

 

In South Queensland you have to have 8 points at one club in 2 years to go from Novice to Intermediate. As we have 12 clubs, it can mean that you have 84 points in 3 years and still be a novice, so long as you only have a max of 7 points per club. The points are not accumulated.

 

It is 10 points in 3 years from Intermediate to Open and then an interesting set up to be Champion.

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Daz - Splat has got it pretty right. You also get points for best adult depending on number of exhibitors and number of birds. I think the Victorian points system is about to be revised. There are some major problems that favour the top end breeders.

 

It amuses me that we have a National Governing body (ANBC) yet we dont have a National Classification system for exhibitors. It makes it really difficult when we show against breeders registered in NSW who can only show as an open breeder but they would be considered a Champion breeder in Vic. That's my gripe for the day!!!!!

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Daz - Splat has got it pretty right. You also get points for best adult depending on number of exhibitors and number of birds. I think the Victorian points system is about to be revised. There are some major problems that favour the top end breeders.

 

It amuses me that we have a National Governing body (ANBC) yet we dont have a National Classification system for exhibitors. It makes it really difficult when we show against breeders registered in NSW who can only show as an open breeder but they would be considered a Champion breeder in Vic. That's my gripe for the day!!!!!

 

Standardisation of the system would be fairer.

 

Here in SQ if a bird wins best Young Skyblue cock and then wins best Skyblue and then wins Best Young bird novice and then wins Champion Young bird of show, it gets one point.

 

So it is very difficult to move up the ranks.

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I agree Daz - each state has different elements to there classification system that could make a National system. In doing so we could get a equitable system that is fair to all exhibitors.

 

In Victoria you can have a bird finish 4th at the YBS and go to the Nationals and finish 4th again and not get a point. I beleive if you have the 4th best young bird in the country in any variety you should recieve points.

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No dought Daz, those rules were made up by a group of people,that did't want to many moveing up the ladder.

With our system,there ius going to be a log jam in the open.As you have to have 60 points to go to champion leval.In my opinion they will have to bring in the 60 points between inter & open.

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Here is an extract from our rules.

 

 

10 SHOW POINTS / ELEVATIONS

 

Only 1 point can be awarded to one exhibit at any show.

(Club table shows do not count towards Show points)

 

10.1 (a In Nestfeather & Young Bird classes in Intermediate and Novice sections, a bird winning in a class of seven (7) or more exhibits benched and not less than four (4) exhibitors = 1 point.

(b In Nestfeather & Young Bird classes in Intermediate and Novice sections a bird winning a colour award of Section between Cocks and Hens and being from seven (7) or more exhibits benched and not less than four (4) exhibitors = 1 point.

(C Any bird winning Best Cock or Hen, or Best bird or Opposite Sex in their section regardless of age and number of exhibitors and entries benched will receive one point.

 

 

10.2 (a Any Novice exhibitor accumulating eight (8) points at any one society will be elevated to Intermediate Section provided a minimum of two (2) years has expired from date of joining an affiliated Club/Society/Association..

(b Any Intermediate exhibitor accumulating ten (10) points at this Society will be elevated to Open Section provided a minimum of three (3) years has expired.

(c Any exhibitor who is elevated to a new status will be notified in writing and such elevation will take effect from 1st January of the following year.

(d The Secretary or Show Manager/Secretary of the S.Q.B.B.A. Affiliated Society will duly record a tally of all show points gained by each exhibitor gained at each Society show for the show year. Written notification of elevations is required by S.Q.B.B.A Inc by November 30th each year. S.Q.B.B.A. Inc will notify all affiliated societies by December 31st each year of such elevations.

 

10.3 No Breeder / exhibitor may elevate themselves. All elevations must be in accordance with the fore- going clauses except where a partnership is formed.

 

DEFINITIONS FOR SHOW RULES

 

Colour Class: The allocated number according to the relevant show schedule a bird is to be exhibited in. e.g. Class 1 is for Light Green Cocks: Class 2 –Light Green Hens etc.

 

Colour Awards: According to the society awards list. E.g. Best Green Normal would be awarded to the best bird from the Light Green, Dark Green, Olive Green and Greygreen Cocks and Hens exhibited in the section.

 

Variety Award: All birds of the same variety comprising both sexes.

e.g. Normals of both green and blue series for Best Normal Award.

 

Section: Open: Intermediate: Novice: Junior: (Refer exhibitor status)

 

Show Year: January 1st to December 31st in one calendar year.

 

Nestfeather: Current year rung bird. Aged between approx. six to twelve weeks of age that is not displaying any of the following features:

a. solid iris ring

b. broken cap

c. adult colouring on cere

d. multiple pin feathers

e. visible adult feathers in body or wing

 

Young Bird: When birds have their full adult plumage. A bird will remain a young bird until 31st July the following year. E.g.a bird born on the first January 2004, and rung with a 2004 leg ring, may only be shown as a young bird from 1st August 2004 until 31st July 2005. As of the 1st August 2005, it becomes an Old Bird.

 

Old Bird: Any bird rung with a previous years' ring (read description for Young Bird above).

Young Birds cannot be exhibited in this class.

Nestfeathers cannot be exhibited in this class.

 

Any Age Bird: A combination of Young & Old Birds.

Nestfeathers cannot be exhibited in this class.

 

CHAMPION STATUS

 

 

To gain champion status and be recognised as a Champion Breeder an exhibitor must gain fifteen (15) show points whilst exhibiting young birds in the Open section within a two year time frame commencing January 1st 2005

 

For the Champion Breeder to maintain this Champion Status the exhibitor must achieve five (5) show points whilst exhibiting young and any age birds in a single showing year.

 

Show points to be gained as per show points system accumulated from affiliated societies of the S.Q.B.B.A. Inc.

 

It is the exhibitor's responsibility to maintain the record of points gained. The points to be verified by the respective Club Show Manager/Secretary in a diary which will be submitted to S.Q.B.B.A. Inc Show Manager when the required points have been accumulated.

 

An exhibitor failing to meet the champion criteria will automatically revert to open status.

 

This champion status will not be another show section: it should be worked from points gained by exhibiting in the Open section.

 

If clubs wanted to have awards for a champion section that would be up to the individual club.

Edited by Daz

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Daz,

 

I had a conversation with someone about this just a few weeks ago. Personally I believe the system we have in Sth East Queensland is majorly flawed. It is well known that certain exhibitors will show at a particular club and when they get close to accumulating sufficient points for elevation they will cease to show at that club thus delaying elevation. I believe we should follow a system like Victoria which is administered by the controlling body where points from all clubs are counted and accumulated. Not necessarily following the actual Vic points system (ie points in class etc) as I think the one we have is fine, but just change the system whereby the controlling body elevates and not the individual club. Doing this also makes the process of elevation more transparent. Have a look at the Vic system, it's on the BCV website for all to see. Here in SEQ who there's no way of knowing how many points any one exhibitor has at a particular club.

 

I find it strange that exhibitors try to avoid elevation as personally I look forward to the day I'm elevated and from reading your post re: intention to show at Sunshine Coast to gain points I think you do to.

Edited by Daryl

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I have to agree Daryl, As stated you can have 12 x 7 points = 84 and still be in novice.

I belive that when you join as a novice, it is a hard slog to get to the front bench but it is a great feelig when you do. So it should be the same as an intermediate. If you gain the points you go back to the bottom of the next level. Many don't want this. They want to get the birds up to a level that they can enter the level and continue to win.

 

The other big flaw is that the show managers from many clubs don't forward the point through. So you can be denide being elevated due to incompitance. eg I don't know how many points I have at a number of clubs. I have asked but have received no answer. SCBA I have 6 points. I have done the time (2 years) and need 2 points to be elevated. Missed out last month but hope for it next time.

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Hmm - So it up to the individual clubs to decide on the elevation of members, that can cause BIG problems, like you have highlighted Daz. At least with the Vic system the points are there for everyone to see on the internet.

 

Everyone can look up BCV website and see how many points Splat has or I or anyone else for that matter.

 

Macka is also right with there being a log jam in Open. Until a few years ago breeders only needed 30 points in open to be elevated to Champion. Before the current changes there were around 30 -40 champion breeders, so they lifted it to 60 points from Open into Champion. At our show last weekend 70% of the birds were in open section, so now we have Champion breeders complaining that there is not the exhibitors in there section to met minimum numbers for points!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hmm - So it up to the individual clubs to decide on the elevation of members, that can cause BIG problems, like you have highlighted Daz. At least with the Vic system the points are there for everyone to see on the internet.

 

Everyone can look up BCV website and see how many points Splat has or I or anyone else for that matter.

 

Macka is also right with there being a log jam in Open. Until a few years ago breeders only needed 30 points in open to be elevated to Champion. Before the current changes there were around 30 -40 champion breeders, so they lifted it to 60 points from Open into Champion. At our show last weekend 70% of the birds were in open section, so now we have Champion breeders complaining that there is not the exhibitors in there section to met minimum numbers for points!!!!!!!!!!!

 

That's an interesting observation Heath. In SQ the pyramid is the other way up; the Novice class contains the most birds! We have exhibitors in Novice and Intermediate who are successful at national level! Also, I believe in Vic aside from points elevation from Novice to Intermediate you can also be elevated on time in section. Perhaps this is also assisting to provide an easier path to Open for exhibitors in Vic.

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Yes that is 5years in biginners, then you are moved up,I think you can ask for a extention to stay in beginners,Iam not sure for how long,There is not a lot of beginners at a lot of shows,In our club we did'n have a biginner in the club for 3 years, at the moment we have 3 But 1 will move up at the end of the season as he will

have the 30 points. :D

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