Do You Breed French Moult?

[shannon bird breeder 0]

i would like to know

Edited January 20, 2009 by Elly

[GenericBlue 0]

i would like to know

 

what do you mean mate like do you bred it as in your asking people

 

or do you breed it as in how does it come about

Edited January 20, 2009 by Elly

[**KAZ** 0]

Try again Shannon....we dont know what you are on about

[Pearce 0]

I have a pair that have produced french moult babies twice, I will not breed them again. Is this what you mean?

[Elly 0]

Are you saying would we breed a french molt bird to produce more babies?

[shannon bird breeder 0]

Are you saying would we breed a french molt bird to produce more babies?

 

 

yer and yes to budgie88

 

like have you breed one

 

and will you breed a french molt if it was a good budgie

Edited January 20, 2009 by shannon bird breeder

[Pearce 0]

Ive read articles saying that french moult is not genetic, so if you bred a french moult budgie to a french moult budgie, the chances of a french moult baby are the same as 2 normal budgies bred together producing a french moulter.

Anyone care to correct me on this?

[Elly 0]

there is an extenstive debate about this on the forum that was started last year about if people would or wouldn't, I believe feathers either started the topic OR was greatly invovled on it, you can do a forum search or I will look later or if someone has the time to search, I have to get my kids up and read ffor school now .

[shannon bird breeder 0]

there is an extenstive debate about this on the forum that was started last year about if people would or wouldn't, I believe feathers either started the topic OR was greatly invovled on it, you can do a forum search or I will look later or if someone has the time to search, I have to get my kids up and read ffor school now .

 

 

okay i will see if i can see it

[Neat 0]

The only FM bird I have every breed came from 1 pair that they have breed 3 times for me with all healthy chicks but 1 chick which was fostered had FM

 

I believe that it is a "in the nest" nutrition issue ( heat can play a good roll in that too)

[JimmyBanks 0]

I think that the thread Elly was talking about was this one...

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15321

[Angelic Vampyre 0]

I have a 4 year old cock who is a french molt bird. He has raised two clutches with his parnter and none of the babies have shown any signs of being french molt birds.

[Guest DrNat]

I believe its a viral infection transmitted by feather mites and some birds in a clutch aren't affected by it - these birds have natural resistance and therefore actually better to breed with - if you want healthy birds, breed with the healthy survivors. Treat the birds with ivomectin and stop breeding for 3 months to let them get over the virus and clean out everything with dettol or bleach. Then breed again and the problem will sort itself out. It may affect any new birds that come to your aviary though, so they will need to be quarantined and then 3 months of exposure to your birds to get over the virus before you breed them.

[GenericBlue 0]

I believe its a viral infection transmitted by feather mites and some birds in a clutch aren't affected by it - these birds have natural resistance and therefore actually better to breed with - if you want healthy birds, breed with the healthy survivors. Treat the birds with ivomectin and stop breeding for 3 months to let them get over the virus and clean out everything with dettol or bleach. Then breed again and the problem will sort itself out. It may affect any new birds that come to your aviary though, so they will need to be quarantined and then 3 months of exposure to your birds to get over the virus before you breed them.

 

im not sure what the cause is but i have never breed a french molt bird

although i got a fright when i had my first plucked chicks

thought the had caught french molt through a viral infection as i had fostered someone else chicks that did turn out to be french molters

i do not belive it is viral i belive it is through very long lines of interbreeding and backcrossing with out introducing enough new blood lines

basiclly line breeding with out the proper knolage to know when to stop and how close is to close geneticlly wize but the despute over viris mite inbreeding will always stand

in my case i just had a ***** hen decided she wanted the chicks out before their time as dad payed them more atention

i sold both mum and dad regardless

and the owner of the french molters littrally culled them sad but

myself i would not kill chicks with it if i ever did get this but i would never breed with them i belive it is a genetic weakness and it is rececive from what i have seen in others avirys but some of thoughs avirys are very clean an mite or feather might can not be the cause but from where i stand these certain breeders do tend to inter breed to far but not for me to say i just dont buy my stock from them nomater how fantastic it may be as i know i will find stock with detailed history of proply bred back crossed birds with no hereditry weaknesses geneticlly

if it was a virus my whole flock would have had it just through regergitating food to and from eachother when all in large flight as i dont quarineteen after breeding i just return birds aned chicks to the apropriate aviry

 

french molt chicks make good pets when their feathers recover thats about it in my view not good breeding stock as weather genetic or viris it will still be passed on through out generation causing unwell birds forever us the breeders have the ability to over look this or to stop it

i choose to stop it

[Sailorwolf 0]

French Moult is a virus GB. It is a polyomavirus.

It is not transmitted via feeding each other (from what I can remember) but is transmitted by dander, feather dust and faeces. There is an argument as to whether it can be transmitted from parent to offspring.

The reason it doesn't sweep the whole aviary is because:

A. Not all birds are susceptible

B: Some birds may have it but may not appear to be ill.

 

When baby birds get it they lose their flight feathers (I think perhaps because they get it when their feathers are growing). When adult birds get it it does not seem to affect them (probably because they are not growing feathers at the time). But they can still pass it on.

It is definitely a virus, just some aspect of the virus transmission and who it affects are unknown.

 

Also birds that have had French moult aren't continuously shedding the virus, and thus they can raise healthy babies. I can't remember whether or not they keep the virus for their whole lives or only have it for about 3 months. I think it is the latter. But I'm not sure on it.

Edited January 24, 2009 by Sailorwolf

[GenericBlue 0]

French Moult is a virus GB. It is a polyomavirus.

It is not transmitted via feeding each other (from what I can remember) but is transmitted by dander, feather dust and faeces. There is an argument as to whether it can be transmitted from parent to offspring.

The reason it doesn't sweep the whole aviary is because:

A. Not all birds are susceptible

B: Some birds may have it but may not appear to be ill.

 

When baby birds get it they lose their flight feathers (I think perhaps because they get it when their feathers are growing). When adult birds get it it does not seem to affect them (probably because they are not growing feathers at the time). But they can still pass it on.

It is definitely a virus, just some aspect of the virus transmission and who it affects are unknown.

 

Also birds that have had French moult aren't continuously shedding the virus, and thus they can raise healthy babies. I can't remember whether or not they keep the virus for their whole lives or only have it for about 3 months. I think it is the latter. But I'm not sure on it.

 

i have read many things but all conflickeding

i never knew an adult could catch it that makes a big diffrence on the whole matter

you sure they were not just born with it but did not show sighns in nest ?

[Sailorwolf 0]

Yep, they catch it. Or else it wouldn't spread.

Edited January 24, 2009 by Sailorwolf

[Daz 0]

Are you saying would we breed a french molt bird to produce more babies?

 

 

yer and yes to budgie88

 

like have you breed one

 

and will you breed a french molt if it was a good budgie

 

 

The Answer is no. You do not go out and breed a FM. If it happens then you have to deal with it but other wise you do not want them.

They are on no use to a show breeding plan.

[GenericBlue 0]

i dont even do show birds and i think their no use

i dont care how they get it it really doesnt matter its not something that can be cured and personally i think that although i cant kill anything if they were all killed at first sighn of this terrable whatever than it would be wiped out

thats if it is a viris as its not due to mite or feather mite moths or any other bug with legs just my opinion

and if it was a viris only then it would be curerable

it is not it is rececive some how

when i was younger a man i knew killed his french molters straight at first sighn and anything else in that nest

he killed the breeding pair also

he said to me that what ever anyone says to me, french molt is hereditery; not a viris.

Through interbreeding to the finest point ''' they were his exact words

he also said that in his whole 30 years breeding he never ever came across it in his stock intill he interduced a cross breed bird who had been the rezult of many father back bred birds to produe what him and his mate belived to be a genetic purety of a certain traight

he said the result in end cost him many a new chick and ended up desposing of every last bird documented to be bred from these first purer traite ones back over the years the french molt started

although i didnt really understand what he ment by purer traite birds it did clearly suggest to me when looking apon his recorlds that he was corect to say the french molt did not exist intill thoughs birds were brought into his clan

 

so .... and after he had disposed of all of them by looking back at his birds historys

his stock was once again free from it

i was sold ..and i have never worryed about my birds catching it

as i dont belive the viris thing

 

more fool me if it is true but i have never had a probblem with it yet

knock on wood

[Pearce 0]

I wouldnt breed with any french moult bird because I wouldnt want to risk any babies getting it.

[renee 0]

This year I have had quite a few babies that when placed into the kindie cage have lost their tails and flights. The terminology for this is 'stress moult'. They have gone to grow all their feathers back by the time they went through their first moult.

 

Notwithstanding I do believe that from about September onwards I had French Moult going through the breeding room. Not an all out chicks with few or no feathers attack but a milder form which no doubt contributed to the stress moulting.

 

Of related interest is that this year I employed the deep litter method so as a result I had quite a few of those pesky little moths flying about when the weather warmed up. Now I did have an electric fly zapper in day and night but it's only really effective at night.

 

I have identified a definite French Moult survivor amongst my adult birds, this bird was bought in last year.

 

I am sharing this information because I am not ashamed to admit that I was perhaps slow off the mark to accept that I had French Moult and I did not act as soon as I could have.

[Sailorwolf 0]

Viruses are not curable GB. There is no cure for any virus known to man. You can prevent them with vaccinations, but once you've got one, that's it. Only your immune system can stop a virus. When you have a virus they only treat the symptoms to make your battle with it more comfortable and in the hopes that you and your immune system succeed against it. That's why there is no cure for the common cold or for HIV. There may be one in the future, but for now we are stuck.

 

It is a virus. It is a polyomavirus. In fact Polyomavirus is its proper name. I have seen electron microscope pictures of it even.

We don't have it in New Zealand. Which is another supporting factor for it being a virus.

 

It is also deadly to other species of parrot, so don't let your infected budgies come into contact with your other birds while they are contagious and probably never is better.

The fact that other parrot species get polyomavirus (aka French moult) also tells us that it is a virus. Other parrots that catch it tend to die, budgies are unusual in that they manage to survive it.

 

Just a side note: Dehydrated chicks will often drop their feathers and appear to have French moult, when in fact they don't.

Edited January 25, 2009 by Sailorwolf

[**KAZ** 0]

Just a side note: Dehydrated chicks will often drop their feathers and appear to have French moult, when in fact they don't.

 

Very, very true. And this is why poor feeder parent to chicks relationships often show chicks losing all their flights in a stress moult type of thing only to grow them back again once they start feeding themselves in the kindie cage. And why only one or two in a nest will be affected only to recover a few weeks later

[shannon bird breeder 0]

Just a side note: Dehydrated chicks will often drop their feathers and appear to have French moult, when in fact they don't.

 

Very, very true. And this is why poor feeder parent to chicks relationships often show chicks losing all their flights in a stress moult type of thing only to grow them back again once they start feeding themselves in the kindie cage. And why only one or two in a nest will be affected only to recover a few weeks later

 

 

you can get french moult for pairing double buff to double buff to

[renee 0]

Just a side note: Dehydrated chicks will often drop their feathers and appear to have French moult, when in fact they don't.

 

Very, very true. And this is why poor feeder parent to chicks relationships often show chicks losing all their flights in a stress moult type of thing only to grow them back again once they start feeding themselves in the kindie cage. And why only one or two in a nest will be affected only to recover a few weeks later

 

I hadn't thought of dehydration .... I'll move the drinkers in the kindie cage so all the chicks can access them.