Where Do I Show This Bird....

[nubbly5 0]

Dr Nat a YF clearwing is definitely shown in the YF class. YF blues still tend to show creamy yellow suffusion on a white ground (just with the normals the blue body and black wing markings hide it to some degree) so you would have the double whammy of visuable YF suffusion and the size discrepancy of the clearwing making competitng in the YF class with this bird very difficult.

 

At the present time it's a very very rare clearwing that can compete for size and head qualities with the normal YF class. None the less they would be an attractive bird.

 

 

Every bird can be judged. If there isn't a spot in th ematrix it would then be under AOV - Non Standardised.

 

So long as the club has an AOV or (in our case) an NSV/NSC (non standard varitey/non standard colour). And although I've never seen such a class NOT offered I believe that it's not compulsary for a show to have this class - well not here anyway.

 

And in WA a bird judged in NSV/NSC cannot go up for major awards anyway.

 

Is that the same in SQ Daz? Or can a non standard variety bird win a best in show or best colour award in SQ?

Edited March 19, 2009 by nubbly5

[Daz 0]

Dr Nat a YF clearwing is definitely shown in the YF class. YF blues still tend to show creamy yellow suffusion on a white ground (just with the normals the blue body and black wing markings hide it to some degree) so you would have the double whammy of visuable YF suffusion and the size discrepancy of the clearwing making competitng in the YF class with this bird very difficult.

At the present time it's a very very rare clearwing that can compete for size and head qualities with the normal YF class. None the less they would be an attractive bird.

 

 

Every bird can be judged. If there isn't a spot in th ematrix it would then be under AOV - Non Standardised.

 

So long as the club has an AOV or (in our case) an NSV/NSC (non standard varitey/non standard colour). And although I've never seen such a class NOT offered I believe that it's not compulsary for a show to have this class - well not here anyway.

 

And in WA a bird judged in NSV/NSC cannot go up for major awards anyway.

 

Is that the same in SQ Daz? Or can a non standard variety bird win a best in show or best colour award in SQ?

 

Clearwings are rarely considered good enough to go against a normal. Same as some other recessive varieties.

I am hoping to get a Darkeyed Clear good enough to give a normal a fright.

[**KAZ** 0]

I am hoping to get a Darkeyed Clear good enough to give a normal a fright.

 

 

:yes:

[mysixbabies 0]

it;s all to confusing for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good luck!

[Guest DrNat]

I'll see you on the show bench in a few years then I guess.

[Heathrow 0]

What was the rationale for not continuing with the AOSV class at the Nationals?????

 

When varieties have become national classes, they have improved immensely eg. crests

 

My hat goes off to anyone who breeds some of the harder recessive varieties (clearwings in particular). It's hard enough breeding normal varieties.

[renee 0]

My hat goes off to anyone who breeds some of the harder recessive varieties (clearwings in particular). It's hard enough breeding normal varieties.

 

Ignorance is bliss! :yes:

[Daz 0]

The crest at Busselton last year was amaizing. It would rival most normals.

[**KAZ** 0]

Even though we breed crested canaries at home, I never liked crested budgies....however...they are beginning to grow on me :doh:

[nubbly5 0]

What was the rationale for not continuing with the AOSV class at the Nationals?????

 

When varieties have become national classes, they have improved immensely eg. crests

 

My hat goes off to anyone who breeds some of the harder recessive varieties (clearwings in particular). It's hard enough breeding normal varieties.

 

AOSV class is a reasonably new one, to take into account the few rarer varieties included within it. At the moment the AOSV class is only an exhibition class at the Nationals (similar to exhibition sports at the olympics), it often takes a few years for the class to become well enough established to include it as a full competition class in the Nationals. At this stage it is not compulsory for the host state to run an exhibition class it is entirely up to them.

 

I believe there was discussion whether or not to hold the exhibition AOSV class this year or not. The issue being that as this class is made up of several varieties, generally the only variety that got selected (due to it being generally stronger) was the suffused yellow/white (dilute). So there was no ability for the general public to acutally see the other varieties of saddleback, dark eyed clear and darkwing.

 

In time I assume this will change. The same process took place with the crests as well, they were an exhibition class for a while before being adopted as a competition class.

[RIPbudgies 0]

Even though we breed crested canaries at home, I never liked crested budgies....however...they are beginning to grow on me

 

 

My son use to bred Crested when he was in the fancy. I never really liked them all that much although I did breed them for a couple of years.

[JimmyBanks 0]

They certainly fetched a good price at the auction on Saturday... I don't know if that's normal for crests because they arn't as common but they sure were expensive...

[Daryl 0]

..............

 

The only thing you have to be careful of is the allowable variety combinations such as a dominant pied lacewing - ordinarily you would think as Dom Pied is the higher numbered class you might put the bird there BUT if you look at the standard you will see that lacewing and dom pied are not an allowable combination SO there is nowhere to show a bird such as this UNLESS the club you show at has a NSV/NSC class (non standard variety/non standard colour).

 

This thread was a wake up call for me. I've just bred a Dom Pied Lacewing (don't ask, I knew the chances, rolled the dice and got one!) that I was assuming I could show as a Dom Pied. However, on reading this and examining the ANBC Standard it seems she will have to go in the AOV Non-standardised. The main implication I see with this is she is no longer eligible for the DP variety award, but still for the best in Section (although at this stage I don't think she's any world beater). Will have to post a picture of her soon as I'd never seen a DP LW before and I'd think few on here would have either.

 

When deciding in which class to enter a bird I personally think the ANBC matrix (which Daz posted in the OP) is the easist document to understand and clear things up.

[nubbly5 0]

AND WA judges (for whatever obscure reason they chose) decided that the NSV/NSC (Non standard variety/non standard colour - which I assume corresponds with your AOV Non-standardised) cannot be eligible for any top bench awards so no best in grade, etc can be best NSV/NSC but then there are usually stuff all of those represented at our shows. This I think is a bit of a shame as it does little to encourage Novice breeders who might not have really settled out their varieties etc.

 

Would love to see a picture of her. We had a white one on the bench here for a bit and I had the job to try and convince the breeder that it was indeed a Dom Pied Lacewing (which for some obsure reason he did not agree with - it was quite a pretty bird.

[**KAZ** 0]

AND WA judges (for whatever obscure reason they chose) decided that the NSV/NSC (Non standard variety/non standard colour - which I assume corresponds with your AOV Non-standardised) cannot be eligible for any top bench awards so no best in grade, etc can be best NSV/NSC but then there are usually stuff all of those represented at our shows. This I think is a bit of a shame as it does little to encourage Novice breeders who might not have really settled out their varieties etc.

 

Would love to see a picture of her. We had a white one on the bench here for a bit and I had the job to try and convince the breeder that it was indeed a Dom Pied Lacewing (which for some obsure reason he did not agree with - it was quite a pretty bird.

I may have a picture of that bird on my other pc Nubbly :yes:

[shannon bird breeder 0]

i see sume big clearwings this week and thay had clearwings

[nubbly5 0]

i see sume big clearwings this week and thay had clearwings

 

Did you get the chance to buy any?

[**KAZ** 0]

i see sume big clearwings this week and thay had clearwings

 

Did you get the chance to buy any?

He bought five clearwings I think. Its in his toowoomba topic.

[Daz 0]

We had a yellowface lacewing spangle on the bench on Sunday... Where do I show that one?

[nubbly5 0]

Is that a test or a proper question?

 

In other words do you want me to answer that or do you want other people to look it up and then answer that???

Edited September 9, 2009 by nubbly5

[Daryl 0]

We had a yellowface lacewing spangle on the bench on Sunday... Where do I show that one?

 

 

Seeing as the National Matrix doesn't recognise the combination of Spangle and Lacewing, it would go in the AOV non-standardised.

[Daz 0]

Interesting that... It was in the albino class and the breeder couldn't understand why it was wrong classed.

[nubbly5 0]

Interesting that... It was in the albino class and the breeder couldn't understand why it was wrong classed.

 

How on earth did he get albino out of a yellowfaced lacewing spangle - Could he not see the wing marking due to the spangles?

[Daryl 0]

Interesting that... It was in the albino class and the breeder couldn't understand why it was wrong classed.

 

How on earth did he get albino out of a yellowfaced lacewing spangle - Could he not see the wing marking due to the spangles?

 

 

Further to that, a simple Yellow Face Albino would go in the Yellow Face class, not the Albino class!

[**KAZ** 0]

AND WA judges (for whatever obscure reason they chose) decided that the NSV/NSC (Non standard variety/non standard colour - which I assume corresponds with your AOV Non-standardised) cannot be eligible for any top bench awards so no best in grade, etc can be best NSV/NSC but then there are usually stuff all of those represented at our shows. This I think is a bit of a shame as it does little to encourage Novice breeders who might not have really settled out their varieties etc.

 

Would love to see a picture of her. We had a white one on the bench here for a bit and I had the job to try and convince the breeder that it was indeed a Dom Pied Lacewing (which for some obsure reason he did not agree with :raincloud: - it was quite a pretty bird.

 

I may have a picture of that bird on my other pc Nubbly :raincloud:

Here is that picture of the dominant pied lacewing...I finally found it :raincloud:

 

Edited November 17, 2009 by KAZ