**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 29, 2008 We have had on ongoing issue with rats in our yard ever since we removed and moved a shed and dug up their nesting spot under the shed. Our dogs source and kill and eat any rat they find, so we have not liked to use poison in any way. I have at last found ( through the dogs help ) the breeding ground and nests of the rats. They have been living and breeding in the crawlspace above the ceiling and between the roof of my leadlight workshop. Still not wanting to throw poison in there in case the dogs get secondary poisoning from catching and eating a groggy rat that emerges, I have thought of an idea. I am going to block off all exit points and block all sources of air to that section. Run a pipe from the car exhaust into the crawlspace and gas the rats with the carbon monoxide. I do have some concerns over whether it can be contained and not drift over to the birds aviary, so I am paranoid about blocking off all air escapes....like along the guttering etc. I also do not know how long I would have to run the car exhaust to fill the air space and kill the rats, and if it actually will kill the rats and rat babies. Then there is the issue of removing the roof tiles after and removing any dead rats. Does anyone have any suggestions ?? Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) If you are going to go to the trouble of blocking it off so carefully why not just use poison and wait about three or four days and then collect the bodies then check again after another few days, it's best to time it so that bodies will need to be chucked the day or two before rubbish day and rap them in newspaper and then in a plastic bag in the bin, Or the dogs could just have fun in the crawlspace, they're little dogs aren't they Edited November 29, 2008 by Neat changed placky to plastic Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) Sounds like a great idea.... i have pm'd you some info Edited November 29, 2008 by **Liv** Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 If you are going to go to the trouble of blocking it off so carefully why not just use poison and wait about three or four days and then collect the bodies then check again after another few days, it's best to time it so that bodies will need to be chucked the day or two before rubbish day and rap them in newspaper and then in a placky bag in the bin, Or the dogs could just have fun in the crawlspace, they're little dogs aren't they You are right of course....and this has been my main argument with my husband that I would like to use the baits first as you have suggested. Liv has sent me some very eye opening info that make me baulk at using the car exhaust. I will go get the poisons and block off all exit holes when it cools later today. Thanks Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 good luck with it kaz. I would be doing it MB's way as well.. The whole car exaust thing just seems a little to risky... Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 good luck with it kaz. I would be doing it MB's way as well.. The whole car exaust thing just seems a little to risky... Thats what I think too. Link to comment
xnannax 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,754 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 55 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 445 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 6, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2008 We have had on ongoing issue with rats in our yard ever since we removed and moved a shed and dug up their nesting spot under the shed. Our dogs source and kill and eat any rat they find, so we have not liked to use poison in any way. I have at last found ( through the dogs help ) the breeding ground and nests of the rats. They have been living and breeding in the crawlspace above the ceiling and between the roof of my leadlight workshop. Still not wanting to throw poison in there in case the dogs get secondary poisoning from catching and eating a groggy rat that emerges, I have thought of an idea.I am going to block off all exit points and block all sources of air to that section. Run a pipe from the car exhaust into the crawlspace and gas the rats with the carbon monoxide. I do have some concerns over whether it can be contained and not drift over to the birds aviary, so I am paranoid about blocking off all air escapes....like along the guttering etc. I also do not know how long I would have to run the car exhaust to fill the air space and kill the rats, and if it actually will kill the rats and rat babies. Then there is the issue of removing the roof tiles after and removing any dead rats. Does anyone have any suggestions ?? Kaz I woner if rats are like mice. You think you have blocked all exits, but they still find away. With mice I know they wont go through steel wool, but that is mainly in the home, daren't think of what you could be up for doing a roof line. I am sure if we researched we could find a friendly enviro method. Some bright spark is sure to have an answer. On the whole though, the baits do seem like a good idea. One of my designer dogs has eaten mice before I could stop him, he suffered no ill affects. Good luck Link to comment
Sailorwolf 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,536 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,753 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 16,870 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) With the car exhaust, I wouldn't want to be the one opening up the crawl space after you have pumped it full of exhaust, to remove the bodies, as you might find yourself to be a victim as well :rofl: Put the cat up there instead! (without the exhaust lol) Maybe call an exterminator? Smoke them out! lol Edited November 29, 2008 by Sailorwolf Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 The crawlspace is room for rats but not room for cats or dogs :rofl: Link to comment
renee 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,388 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,462 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,420 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/05/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 28, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Good luck eliminating those horrible rats Kaz! :rofl: Link to comment
Neat 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Could chuck a snake up there LOL ... But then that is another problem ... Hope you get them all sorted out mate Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 What I need is The Pie's ferrets :rofl: Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 You could go the old cement and icing sugar mixture, that way if one does get out it won't hurt the dogs. Link to comment
Neat 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Share Posted November 29, 2008 isn't there something when you feed bar cob soda and they drink they explode or is that with pigeons Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 One of those made up things like seagulls exploding on panadol Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Thats panadol and seagulls... Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Bicarb and vinigar can be mixed to create CO2 which will knock them out - but also make a huge mess What about getting a Canister of CO2 and attaching a hose and pumping it into the space??? Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 "CO2 canister" sounds like it should be illegal... lol. Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 29, 2008 haha its what they use to kill rats when feeding snakes Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I've just got this whole image of Kaz and Ken dressed up in SWAT gear and throwing the CO2 Canisters into the roof with gas masks on and then after the smoke starts firing automatic rifles for 10 minutes all over the roof... Good luck with that KAZ! Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 The CO2 gas kills rats for snakes but in a controlled environment where the gas cannot escape. Cannot guarantee that in this case. Link to comment
christine 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Member ID: 5,001 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 64 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 425 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 22/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 25, 2009 Birthday: 09/10/1960 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Kaz, You are right to be concerned about secondary poisoning from rat poisoning. I did a quick search and there appears to be evidence of residual toxins in organs for up to six months (obviously in a surviving animal!!). So you would imagine that in a corpse the anti-coagulant would be present. That means that if you use poisoning, you'll need to dispose of the corpses securely. Chris Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 30, 2008 Thankyou Chrisg. I am still contemplating the solution, having been at a budgie auction / christmas windup all day. Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 30, 2008 and did you come home with any christmas budgies?? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 30, 2008 and did you come home with any christmas budgies?? YES I did I came home with 9 new budgies ..........5 greywings, amongst others Link to comment
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