**KAZ** 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) For the new breeders who don't yet know about how to recognise what you have in the nestbox by the appearance of a newly hatched chicks eyes. Ino's ......Lutino, Creamino or Yellowface Albino and Albino all begin with red eyes. This can be seen in a newly hatched chick so you know right from the beginning that you have an ino chick. The actual appearance is kind of like they have no visible eye under the skin of the eyelid. Its very much a bright red under the pink of the skin. Two red eyed chicks and a dark eyed all red eyed red eyed newly hatched chick PLUM eyed Chicks Plum eyes appear in a nestbox when you have either recessive pied inheritance or cinnamon. A Plum eyed chick ( front ) with its dark eyed sibling and the difference between plum and red eyes..... RED eyes Plum eyes and black ADDED TO FAQ - ALL PICS UPLOADED TO BBC PHOTOBUCKET FAQ Article Edited October 14, 2011 by **KAZ** Link to comment
splat 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Good post Kaz Link to comment
Denise 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 3,657 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 896 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,985 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 9, 2010 Birthday: 01/10/1964 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Great photos. Link to comment
Jodie 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 4,257 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 981 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,495 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 7, 2014 Birthday: 28/07/1993 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) I never knew recessive's get plum eyes too Edited November 10, 2008 by KAZ Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2008 excellent post you know where this is going Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted November 11, 2008 me either Jodie but you learn something new every day... Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Great post - super clear photos showing the difference in colour Link to comment
Sunnie 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Member ID: 3,666 Group: B.B.C Club Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 80 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,470 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,830 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/09/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10, 2013 Birthday: 20/01/1966 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yes it has helped me to know what to look for a bit more in plum eyes. Red eyes you cant miss Thanks Kaz Link to comment
Neville 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Member ID: 4,610 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,640 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 09/12/1940 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Excellent post. The pictures explain it very clearly Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 Excellent post. The pictures explain it very clearly Thankyou Neville Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted December 7, 2008 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Excelent post Kaz.. Can you check with Gary as I've been told that DF Spangle chicks are also born with plum eyes. I have DFs in the nest but with my eyes, I can see it. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 7, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Excelent post Kaz.. Can you check with Gary as I've been told that DF Spangle chicks are also born with plum eyes. I have DFs in the nest but with my eyes, I can see it. I will check Link to comment
deb 0 Posted December 7, 2008 Member ID: 3,867 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 198 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,737 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 11,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 23, 2011 Birthday: 25/09/1970 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I thought that df spangles were born with plum eyes, i have had one born with plum eyes and i think MB has had one as well. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 7, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 (edited) DF spangles can carry cinnamon though, which would account for plum eyes and we need to check it out. Edited December 7, 2008 by KAZ Link to comment
deb 0 Posted December 7, 2008 Member ID: 3,867 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 198 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,737 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 11,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 23, 2011 Birthday: 25/09/1970 Share Posted December 7, 2008 DF spangles can carry cinnamon though, which would account for plum eyes and we need to check it out. It will interesting to find out what it does exactly mean, i could have some spangles carrying cinnamon then. Link to comment
lynneski 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Member ID: 5,257 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 44 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 290 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 23, 2009 Birthday: 27/10/1970 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Thanks Kaz, now I know what I'm looking at. You learn something new every day on here....it's great. Link to comment
*libby* 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Member ID: 3,634 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,442 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 15,475 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/08/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 9, 2011 Birthday: 10/11/1989 Share Posted May 26, 2009 And Add DF spangles kaz, they definatly come with plum eyes Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted November 27, 2009 DF Spangles are born with plum eyes. Add brownwing to the red eye category as the picture in my siggy shows. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted November 27, 2009 DF Spangles are born with plum eyes. Add brownwing to the red eye category as the picture in my siggy shows. rip how do you tell a brown wing when its matured i have a spangle 2 year old no spot on head just spangle lite green its got brown eyes and its irise ring is also brown you can just see it it is their could it be a full spangled winged rec pied or a brown wing spangle although its wings look black to me ??? Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted November 27, 2009 This is extremely timely!! I was planning to do a search about plum eyes, because I have a new cock that I have been trying to figure out. (sorry, no pics yet) He's all yellow, so either DF spangle or DEC. He's obviously NOT lutino, but his eyes have a slight reddish cast, which I take to be plum. All along I thought he had iris rings, but it's been very hard to tell. So that was what was confusing me, because I didn't think plum eyes and iris rings could come in combination with each other. I am very happy to read this and find out that DF spangles can also have plum eyes! So if I have it straight, we have: plum eyes with no rings means recessive pied. (Or dark eyed clear if solid yellow or white.) plum eyes with iris rings means cinnamon. (Or double factor spangle if solid yellow or white.) And DF spangle could also have the plum eyes because of masking cinnamon. Now I know what to look for! Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted July 7, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 Concensus is DF spangles are hatched with plum eyes Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted July 7, 2010 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I had somebody telling somebody their white bird with red eyes and no markings was a 'white recessive'. They also said that true albinos have blue-purple eyes. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted July 8, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 I had somebody telling somebody their white bird with red eyes and no markings was a 'white recessive'. They also said that true albinos have blue-purple eyes. Well they knew nothing then didnt they Ratzy Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted July 8, 2010 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) Really? DF spangles hatched with plum eyes? As adults they have BLACK eyes - I mean BLACK and not the faintly plum eye (described as "dark" in the standard) of a cinnamon. We are not getting confused with the fact that a huge amount of DF spangles these days are bred from cinnamons are we? Even Terry Martin gives the DF Spangle an alternative name of BLACK-eyed clear. AND makes the distinction between that and a Dark-eyed clear which is born with plum eyes. Edited July 8, 2010 by nubbly5 Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted July 8, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Really? DF spangles hatched with plum eyes? As adults they have BLACK eyes - I mean BLACK and not the faintly plum eye (described as "dark" in the standard) of a cinnamon. We are not getting confused with the fact that a huge amount of DF spangles these days are bred from cinnamons are we? Could be that they carry cinnamon too Link to comment
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