Neat 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hey all I have a skyblue spangle cock and i would like to breed with my sky blue cinnamon wing ... Is this going to be okay or will they be all washed out .... Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2008 I know you want to keep the spangle markings as defined as possible so adding the cinnamon gene is probably not the best idea. Though because cinnamon is sex-linked you will not get an babies that are cinnamon only the males will be split for the gene, unless the dad is carrying it and gives it to his hens therefore if you do get a spangle it can wash out the spangle marking. This is my logic, so I could be way off (Laughing out loud). Link to comment
missylu 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 4,117 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 357 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,765 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 3, 2009 Birthday: 09/07/1984 Share Posted April 7, 2008 So if you wanted to get cinammons does it have to be cinnamon to cinnamon? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 7, 2008 So if you wanted to get cinammons does it have to be cinnamon to cinnamon? Yes and no...it can be a split to cinnamon with a visual cinnamon. Or two normal looking birds who are split to cinnamon. Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2008 No you have to have a male that is split to cinnamon and all his hen offspring will be cinnamon but if you want male cinnamons then both parents need to give the gene to the male offspring they will need 2 of the genes to visually show the cinnamon coloring. So that means the male can be split and bred to a cinnamon hen or you have 2 cinnamon birds. Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) Hey all I have a skyblue spangle cock and i would like to breed with my sky blue cinnamon wing ... Is this going to be okay or will they be all washed out .... Sounds like a good idea to me....... Let me explain. The cocks will be split cinnamon. The hens will be normals unless the cocks are split to a sex gene. The cinnamon gene adds a soft quality to the feather which is what you want in a show bird. The hen will carry the softness but not the cinnamon. If the hen if a well marked bird (even though she is a cinnamon) she will add to the spangle markings. Her daughters could be a better bird than she is. If the spange cock has a sister or brother that has sons you can pair the new daughters back to those sons to improve the line. Half Brother to Half Sister This is called line breading and using a cinnamon out cross to improve a feature. In this case the feathering. Edited April 7, 2008 by Daz Link to comment
missylu 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 4,117 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 357 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,765 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 3, 2009 Birthday: 09/07/1984 Share Posted April 7, 2008 wow thats confusing so how do you know if they are split for cinnamon just the softness? Link to comment
Neat 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 I thought I knew this answer: and the whole wishy washy effect but Daz never thought of that with feathering... Line breeding isn't that imbreeding and won't that cause defects????? Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted April 7, 2008 All cocks breed from a cinnamon hen and a "normal" cock will be split cinnamon. normal being any variety not cinnamon. Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted April 10, 2008 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Line breeding isn't that imbreeding and won't that cause defects????? It needs to be done properly with a good knowledge of the genetics of your birds. It does increase the chances of any hidden defects showing up in the babies but most of the time in a pair of healthy birds with no history of defects in the lines there won't be a problem. Link to comment
Ikon 0 Posted April 10, 2008 Member ID: 3,733 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 297 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,820 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 16, 2011 Birthday: 16/01/1972 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I would not recommend linebreeding/inbreeding to a novice. I have read many article and sought many opinion on this subject. Done properly you can and will enhance the features of your birds but you need good knowledge of your birds genetic backgroung to even attempt this. Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted April 11, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think daz was just pointing out possibilities. I think the pairing should work out fine. Keep us posted. As far as everything I have read in the books, in human terms you would call line breeding a form of inbreeding and it would cause serious medical problems... ie South Australian couple on 60 minutes the other week... but with budgies, if you have the knowledge and all the necisary information, it shouldn't be a problem... Just be careful that you don't fix a fault... That said, I've only read books on it and never tried it myself... so I'm no expert Link to comment
SCG810 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Member ID: 4,261 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 185 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2012 Birthday: 10/10/1961 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Just to help you on the cinnamon,a normal hen can't be split for cinnamon only the cock can.To breed good show birds you need cinnamon,plus the up side it is another class to show in. Steve Link to comment
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