budgie_addict 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Member ID: 2,626 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 206 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,460 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/08/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 2, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Hi All! I am having a problem with a moth plague in my avairy. They are a small moth, about 2 cm across their wing span and there is a hundred of them! They don't seem to be causing any problems for my budgies but I have never had this problem before, so don't really know if they could be a problem. My avairy is clean, and the only thing I have tried is to squirt them with the hose! They do make the day to day maintenance of the avairy unpleasant. Has anyone had this problem? Any suggestions on what I can do? Help!! Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I use a bug zapper in my birdroom to combat these moths. An electric thing that hangs up and attracts the moths and then "fries" them. Failing that, there are sticky moth traps you can buy, that you hang up and the moths stick to them and die. Link to comment
Guest lonebudgie Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I recently visited a fellow breeders avairy and he hang mothballs in the avairy , (not where the budgies could get them) and he also put the mothballs in his seed bins reconds it kept them away , said had no problems with feeding the birds with the seed . Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 5, 2007 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) I have heard mothballs are toxic to birds and indeed information at out fingertips on the internet also state the same thing QUOTE Usually the commercial type mothballs are made of either naphthalene or para dichlorobenzene. Both these substances are toxic to moths that can destroy clothes kept in closed places. Besides that they can sublimate, that is they go directly from the solid state to the gas state. As gas they can go inside clothes and fill the place where they stand, killing the moths if they are there. Be careful when using any kind of moth balls, they are also toxic to humans and pets. Mostly never use in children closets or keep them in places where a child can find, play or even put in the mouth. Moth balls are poison! "Organic compounds and solvents, such as those found in nail polish remover, mineral spirits, gasoline, glues, paints, and mothballs are hazardous to birds." Mothballs are toxic to birds and many other animals including humans. they are a benzene family crystal which is a known cancer causing chemical. Please do not use them in a closed area or near animals. 3.3 Moth repellants Include naphthalene, paradichlorobenzene. Toxicity: Napththalene metabolites cause destruction of red blood cells. Unknown mechanism for paradochlorobenzene. Clinical effects: Vomiting, depression, ataxia, anemia, kidney damage. Deaths reported in canaries and finches from moth-repellant contaminated seed. There are two different formulations for mothballs. One is NAPHTHLALENE and the other is PARADICHLOROBENZENE. Both are potentially very toxic. The naphthalene type is more toxic. Both vaporize to produce fumes wich can cause toxic effects on the central nervous system (possible seizures) and the liver. Naphthalene can also cause blood disorders (eg hemolytic anemia). Diaper pail deodorizers also contain paradochlorobenzene. Mothballs should not be used around birds. Exposures to high concentrations of vapours of mothballs by humans, especially young children, can also result in toxicity. Edited December 5, 2007 by KAZ Link to comment
Guest lonebudgie Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I agree Kaz . I didnt worry bout trying them in my avairy , I use a bug zapper. And one of the guys with me asked if he had any problems with them in the seed bin , He replied never. He seemed to be happy with it , but its not for me . Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 5, 2007 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I agree Kaz . I didnt worry bout trying them in my avairy , I use a bug zapper. And one of the guys with me asked if he had any problems with them in the seed bin , He replied never.He seemed to be happy with it , but its not for me . Yeah. I err on the side of caution too. My bug zapper is the best investment I ever bought for my birdroom Link to comment
budgie_addict 0 Posted December 6, 2007 Member ID: 2,626 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 206 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,460 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/08/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 Thanks for all the suggestions I shall hit my local hardware and try the moth trap thingys if I can get them. Probably a dumb question but I will ask anyway....Those bug zappers, aren't a danger for the birds are they? What if a budgie landed on it or chewed on it? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted December 6, 2007 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Thanks for all the suggestions I shall hit my local hardware and try the moth trap thingys if I can get them. Probably a dumb question but I will ask anyway....Those bug zappers, aren't a danger for the birds are they? What if a budgie landed on it or chewed on it? My bug zapper is in my birdroom where my breeding cages are...not in an aviary where birds fly free. Link to comment
Wellomo 0 Posted October 27, 2010 Member ID: 6,350 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 1 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/10/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Hi ! I had some problems with my aviary a few years ago. I still don't know why and nobody could see a reason for the moth. The idea from KAZ could work. In my case I used a clothes moth trap ! It was the idea of my grandma and I was really amazed because it works. Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted October 27, 2010 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Cleanliness is the best answer, those moths lay the eggs in the deep litter or seed. Sweep up all seed from avairy floor and make sure all cage floors are clean, store all seed in air tight containers. Then spray moths with Pea Beau as it is safe for birds. Good Luck Cheers Clearwing Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted October 27, 2010 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I agree with Clearwing Link to comment
Maddy 0 Posted October 28, 2010 Member ID: 5,779 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 497 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,455 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2019 Birthday: 07/08/1989 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I visited an aviary where the breeders kept all seed in a box, and on the inside of the box lid was a sponge with eucalyptus oil in it. They said it keeps moths, mice and other creep crawlies at bay. Has anyone else heard of this technique? Link to comment
The Black Doctor 0 Posted October 28, 2010 Member ID: 6,232 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 805 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Welcome Wellomo - you can buy those traps in most supermarkets too I believe. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted October 28, 2010 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I was going to say what Clearwing said, Because where there is seed left lying there will be moths. Clean all seed away and spray. Kaz I know a breeder that keeps moth balls in his seed bin, he has them stuck to the inside top of the lid, no hassles with his birds getting poison. I had moths last year in aviary and birdroom so I did a could clean of seed etc and sprayed and haven't had any since. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 28, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 28, 2010 There will always be seed in breeders cages, and husks unless you bother the ^%&^$ out of the breeding pair at least twice a day cleaning. Thats just the way it is. Mothballs ? Not me. I know how bad they stink and I know of the toxicity of them. I'd rather not take that chance. I run a mozzie zapper and it works GREAT Link to comment
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