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I've been studying violet mutations in the budgies (I try to study first!), but haven't found what combination these would produce.. anyone know? mostly how do the violets act when breeding with another violet, and also a violet with a grey. And also trying to figure out the best way to breed some violet spangle babies. :wub:

 

cobalt violet normal + violet spangle = ?

cobalt violet normal + grey spangle = ?

violet spangle + grey normal = ?

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I found a chart that I copied here. Hopefully it's correct.

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue × Mauve

50% Violet (sf)

50% Cobalt

 

Violet (df) Skyblue × Mauve

100% Violet (sf) Cobalt

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue × Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Cobalt

25% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Skyblue × Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Skyblue

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue × Skyblue

50% Violet (sf)Skyblue

50% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Cobalt) × Skyblue

100% Violet (sf)

 

Skyblue Violet (sf) Cobalt × Skyblue

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Cobalt

25% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Cobalt × Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Skyblue

 

Violet (sf) Cobalt × Cobalt

12.5% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

12.5% Violet (sf) Mauve

12.5% Skyblue

12.5% Mauve

 

Violet (df) Cobalt × Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Mauve

 

Violet (sf) Mauve × Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Cobalt

 

Violet (df) Mauve × Skyblue

100% Violet (sf) Cobalt

 

Violet (sf) Mauve ×Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Mauve

25% Mauve

25% Cobalt

 

Violet (df) Mauve x Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Mauve

 

Violet (sf) Mauve × Mauve

50% Violet (sf) Mauve

50% Mauve

 

Violet (df) Mauve × Mauve

100% Violet (sf) Mauve

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Violet is an added factor and dominant so when you have single factor Violet and you breed with a non-violet bird you have 50% chance of violets. Violets can be seen on skyblues and cobalt. If you have a double factor Violet and you breed to a non-factor violet all your birds will carry 1 Violet Factor gene. Violet can show up on a green bird too.

 

Grey is the same it is an added factor and the bird can be a single or double factor too.

 

The spangle gene is dominant so as long as you have 1 spangle bird you have a 50% change of getting spangle babies too.

 

I hope that helps you to figure out the ratios a little better. Numbers are great but to understand where they come from help me a lot :wub:.

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Violet is also confusing becuase it can be carried on the light factor or the dark factor and depending on which is it on will give you a different outcome with the offspring.

 

Topic to understanding the violet gene

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Can a bird cary a violet and a gray factor?

Is one dominant over the other visually? or can they both be visually present?

Is the gray factor carried on both the light and/or dark gene (like violets do)?

 

For example .. if a violet could be the following: Lv D, Lv Dv, or L Dv

then does grey work the same way? Lg D, Lg Dg, L Dg?

 

If so, then is it possible to have Lv Dg, Lg Dv, or even Lvg D, L Dvg, Lv Dvg, Lvg Dv, etc ?

 

from my understanding if a bird caries a violet gene it will always show and not hidden... if grey is the same, i'm wondering if it would make a violet/grey?

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Can a bird cary a violet and a gray factor?

Is one dominant over the other visually? or can they both be visually present?

Is the gray factor carried on both the light and/or dark gene (like violets do)?

 

For example .. if a violet could be the following: Lv D, Lv Dv, or L Dv

then does grey work the same way? Lg D, Lg Dg, L Dg?

 

If so, then is it possible to have Lv Dg, Lg Dv, or even Lvg D, L Dvg, Lv Dvg, Lvg Dv, etc ?

 

from my understanding if a bird caries a violet gene it will always show and not hidden... if grey is the same, i'm wondering if it would make a violet/grey?

 

I have studied the violet factor but I am sure there is not a grey factor. The mutation is in fact the greygreen which being a dominant can come in Single Factor and Double Factor. The greygreen gene combined with the blue gene produces a dominant visual grey. (There is also a recessive grey but is hardly seen these days). Which can also be single factor or double factor. Greys and Greygreens as a dominant can come in three shades. LL, LD, DD and there fore can have LvL, LvD or DvD. (as well as LLv, LDv or DDv).

 

So you can have a Violet grey or a violet greygreen.

 

Sorry Lisachromis this makes you list incomplete. You would need to factor in the Violet factor on the other Dark factor.. I know it sound confusing but Nerwen has put up the link to my explanation of the violet factor. Might be a good read twice.

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Sorry Lisachromis this makes you list incomplete. You would need to factor in the Violet factor on the other Dark factor.. I know it sound confusing but Nerwen has put up the link to my explanation of the violet factor. Might be a good read twice.

 

I just copied the list. So, not worried that it's not complete. :wub:

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Well lets do the list and see what the outcome could be.

 

cobalt violet normal + violet spangle = ?

cobalt violet normal + grey spangle = ?

violet spangle + grey normal = ?

 

 

Let first make some statements..

Normal to spangle is 50% normal & 50% spangle. That is taken to be correct.

Also 50% will be cocks and 50% will be hens. That is taken to be correct.

So we can leave that alone.

 

1. cobalt violet normal (I take it you mean visual violet LvD or LDv) + violet spangle (I take it you mean visual violet LvD or LDv) = ?

 

a. LvD to LvD

 

DF Violet Skyblue 25%

Visual Violet 50%

Mauve 25%

 

b. LvD to LDv

 

Violet Skyblue 25%

Cobalt 25%

DF Visual Violet 25%

Violet Mauve 25%

 

c. LDv to LDv

 

Skyblue 25%

Visual Violet 50%

DF Violet Mauve 25%

 

As you can see there are many possible outcomes.

 

2. cobalt violet normal(LvD or LDv) + grey spangle(LL) = ?

 

a. LvD to LL

 

Violet Sky 25%

Violet Grey 25%

Cobalt 25%

Dark Grey 25%

 

b. LDv to LL

 

Sky Blue 25%

Grey 25%

Visual Violet 25%

Violet Dark Grey 25%

 

3. violet spangle + grey normal - Same as 2.

 

Remember that half will be normal and half will be spangle.

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thank you so much Daz!! That's what I was looking for :) ... I'm definatly going to have to try to find a nice grey and violet pair for breeding *grin*.

 

Anyone have a picture of what these would look like in Daz's outcomes above? Violet Grey and Violet Dark Grey.. I'd love to see how this looks visually.

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They will look,a light & dark grey. :)

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exactly what macka said because a grey on a blue based bird would be grey. Depending on the dark factors it has will determine the color of the grey. Since violet is a blue it would darken up the grey so you may not even know it is carrying the violet gene (or would you? not sure) because on a green bird you have to look closely at the feathers around the feet, cheek patches etc..

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what is the difference in a cobalt violet that is single factor versus double factor in looks?

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by the way, I did through some more research and found this on Violet Greys

 

http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/genetics/ques...question7a.html

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