Texas Clear Bodies:

[Norm 0]

Because of the unusual relation ship between TCB & Ino, they are dominant to them, Ino’s are often used in breeding TCB’s, all three cocks that I was able to buy are split for Lutino. As the breeder I bought them from seems to mostly breed them to Lutinos.

 

I am now finding that a frustration, as now that I have began to understand the variety better I find that a problem.

 

My first pairing was a TCB/Lutino cock to an Opaline Light Green. Because I caused some confusion with removing her first mate because it was infertile, she first laid 5 eggs, but didn’t sit so I fostered them to another pair, only one hatched an Opaline Light Green Cock…he has just left the nest & it’s amazing how big he is, even though his father isn’t that big & my hen isn’t very large also. Must be the TCB’s line, as I guess I didn’t get the best of them. Will get a picture of him for you.

 

Then the next batch she laid six eggs & she is usually very fertile, but this time only two hatched one is a Lutino hen [looks big] & another Opaline Light Green cock. This is what I expected along with some TCB hens, which haven’t appeared as yet. I’m hoping the fertility will be greater on the next batch.

 

Now I realise that to my way of thinking it’s not a good mating [to Lutino I mean] as now these two Opaline cocks have the possibility of being split for Lutino or TCB & there is no way of knowing without mating them. I’m thinking it’s better to mate them to Normals mostly & just use the Lutino mating to improve colour as needed. That way the offspring will always be known, they will either be TCB’s or Normals split for TCB’s. Then the Normal Cock split for TCB can be mated to TCB Hens & will be as below.

 

 

 

Normal/Clearbody cock × Clearbody hen

 

 

 

25% Normal/Clearbody cocks

25% Clearbody cocks

25% Clearbody hens

25% Normal hens

 

 

 

So then the Cock will either be Normals/TCB or TCB’s & the 25% of Normal Hens can be used in any other breeding if they are good enough. So, so far I have three birds from this mating & maybe none are of use to breed TCB’s, I might be lucky & get one or both split to TCB.

 

 

 

I have mated the only hen I was able to buy, with a TCB/Lutino cock.

 

 

 

Clearbody/Ino cock × Clearbody hen

 

25% Clearbody cocks

25% Clearbody/Ino cocks

25% Clearbody hens

25% Ino hens

 

 

 

I will only be able to tell which TCB cocks are pure & which are split Lutino, by mating, but at least if I mate to TCB hens most birds produced will be TCB’s. I guess we have to have patience in sorting things out after buying birds.

 

 

 

I have lined up some more new rarer mutations that I hope to get in a few weeks…Saddle Backs, Dark Wings & Black Eyed Self’s [Yellows].

[Guest *BUUZBEE*]

Oh i hope you have sucess with them... they are one of my favorite mutations! I'm currious to know what the last 3 mutations are, I dont think i've heard of them before! (Saddle Backs, Dark Wings & Black Eyed Self’s )

[**KAZ** 0]

Sounds like you have acquired all the right knowledge to be breeding texas clearbodies, Norm. Best of luck.

Here's a nice one that went to the nationals.....not sure where he placed at the end. But he's a good looker

 

[birdluv 0]

good luck with breeding TCB's Norm

[*Nerwen* 0]

Sorry to hear you have yet to get get any TCB babies. Your right that the ino gene is used to both help with colouring plus a ino father matched to a TCB hen will mean TCB sons. A fast way to get what the breeder is after.

 

batch she laid six eggs & she is usually very fertile, but this time only two hatched

The fact that she laid six eggs sound to me that is is fertile and the issue with only two hatching is either from the males side or feathers getting in the way of mating.

 

Saddle Backs, Dark Wings & Black Eyed Self’s [Yellows].

Would LOVE for you to get a Saddle Back. I was finally able to see one last year at a show after wondering for ages what it looked like (must say I wasn't that impressed)

 

Buuzbee - a saddle back has brown toned marks on the saddle area of the back (around the v area), a dark wing is a modifing gene to make darker markings on the wings, it is best seen on a dilute, greywing,clearwing bird. BES is listed in the FAQ area.

[the pie 0]

The eggs that didnt hatch- did you crack them open to see if they were DIS ..or dried yolk? Just curious.

 

Sounds like you've been busy with this mutation.

[Feathers 0]

Hi Norm,

 

thanks for that... I have been looking at a TCB that Kaz got for me and wondering what to breed her with. I hadn't actually looked into the genetics of the TCB's yet, So this has been helpful

 

Good luck with your rares. They certainly have a place in your aviary, as you've shown great interest in them.

 

 

Feathers.

[Norm 0]

Thanks Kaz, yeah he looks a nice one, nice big head. Re Saddle Back Nerwen, I have only seen some pictures, I have been told by some others they aren’t that spectacular, it’s just that I’m real interested in breeding & rare mutations are interesting to me & also someone has to breed them otherwise they will die out. I’m trying to find something about the genetics of Dark Wings, but so far haven’t been able to find any, because I guess they are so rare, I don’t know if they’re Sex linked, Recessive or something else.

 

I like birds with Cinnamon or Dark markings & the Yellow factor, similar to the TCB. The rest of the eggs were just infertile Pie. Thanks for all you good wishes guys.

[Boris' Slave 0]

I've got a TCB hen, so would I be better to breed her to a normal cock or lutino to get the line started?

[Norm 0]

I've got a TCB hen, so would I be better to breed her to a normal cock or lutino to get the line started?

 

Karen, if you mated her to a Lutino, you would get TCB/Lutino cocks & Lutino hens…if a Normal cock, you get Normal/TCB cocks & Normal hens. The best out of the two would be the best type cock you could get out of the two. The best mating to feel like you were getting somewhere would be a TCB if you could get one, at least you would get both sexes. The only mating that will give you more than 25% TCB hens is pure TCB to TCB or pure TCB cock to INO hen.

[macka 0]

If you are not breeding to breed show birds,put her to a lutino of good size.If you

are going to the trouble to breed,I think it is best to improve the birds,you never know

you might breed something,that mighty go into ashow breeders pen,

[Norm 0]

Macka right, there’s not much point in breeding anything unless in my opinion you are breeding to improve whether it’s show points or a healthier bird.

[Boris' Slave 0]

It goes without saying that it's best to breed to improve the birds.

My TCB hen has paired herself up to a white cock with a blue cere (not sure what the mutation is called). Until I can get myself a TCB cock I'll let her breed with the white boy and see what I get.

Thanks boys.

[**KAZ** 0]

There was a very interesting Texas clearbody at the auction on Sunday. It was listed a texas clearbody split ino. The bird was white with all markings grey. Others said it was also greywing texas clearbody. Wish I had got a photo now. It was quite a pretty looking bird...very unusual.....a 2006 cock and fetched just $55. I was very tempted.

[Norm 0]

There was a very interesting Texas clearbody at the auction on Sunday. It was listed a texas clearbody split ino. The bird was white with all markings grey. Others said it was also greywing texas clearbody. Wish I had got a photo now. It was quite a pretty looking bird...very unusual.....a 2006 cock and fetched just $55. I was very tempted. :sad:

 

That was interesting Kaz, I have been thinking that when I get some TCB’s that I have bred myself, I will try some different combinations, to see what the look like, mostly I have only seen the Normals & Opaline [i like the Opaline look] I know they are not bred in too many colours for showing, but I’m more interested in nice birds, so will try a few things. The guy I bought mine from only likes Opaline in the Yellow, but I am thinking of mating one to a Blue Opaline soon to get some split Blues to go into the Blue series. I will keep a look out for some birds from another bloodline as mine are all very closely related, but they’re not common here.

[Norm 0]

My first pair of TCB’s have so far had two Dark Green Opaline cocks split for either Lutino or TCB, I will have to mate to know which…I’m hoping TCB. The Opalines look good type so will mate each with Opaline hens next year to hopefully get some TCB, but if not they at least look like they will help improve my Opaline line. I also got a Lutino hen, looks big. One of the cocks is big also the other a little smaller, but nice strong colours. The pair is set to go down again, as I have removed the chicks to the aviary; I’m hoping for more luck this next batch, with hopefully a TCB hen or two.

[Bobb Revels 0]

I am in a similar situation.  I have a 5 year old TCB Cock, darkgreen and I was wanting to breed him to a juvenile TCB sky blue hen.  I was being a little anxious.  I could have bred her to my big Violet Green Dom Pied.   I am hoping a will get a good TCB male that I can use in breeding program for TCBs.  I am hoping to get a good Blue TCB  cock.  So I just saw the hen go in the nest box, so I am keeping my fingers cross.