Daz 0 Posted June 2, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Share Posted June 2, 2007 The hen has thrown another one. 32 days old. As you can see a skyblue bird with a white tail. The wing markings will change over the next few months to look like this. Older Half sybling. Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted June 2, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted June 2, 2007 okay here are the parents today. Cock's back Hen Four of the chicks. There 7 in all the other three have been foster out. Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted June 2, 2007 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) Well If you get the Double Factor Malenistic Spangle or a recessive then it will be a WIN WIN When the Malenistic Spangles first feather up in the nest they have normal wing markings with the clear spangle tail (and maybe a head spot) Then as they moult into their adult feathers the marking fade to almost the same as a normal spangle. Minka and Czar- brothers. In Nest Young ----- Older Compared to Opaline normal (left) Edited June 2, 2007 by Nerwen Link to comment
Boris' Slave 0 Posted June 3, 2007 Member ID: 2,138 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 164 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,481 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 13,140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/03/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 12, 2011 Birthday: 10/02/1973 Share Posted June 3, 2007 So how do you breed a Melanistic Spangle? Is it pure chance to have the gene? and would it have come from the mother or the father? - Jazz I mean. Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted June 3, 2007 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Is the Melanistic Spangle a complete different mutation to Spangles? From memory I think you guys got them from your Dominant Spangles. But your saying it’s recessive are you? Is it dominant [to most colours] but Recessive to normal Spangles? I don’t like them as much at Spangles, but I like having different mutations, so would like to get some & now you mention the possibility of DF that sounds interesting. You got them from your normal Spangles, does anyone know if others have got the same or is it only coming from a few families? Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted June 4, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) Karen, The young Malenistic that is in the nest came from Jazz and Bob. The others came from Jazz and Bluey so it's jazz that is carrying the gene. Do you still have her brothers/sisters or relitives? If not you can have the young chick when it fledges. Elly I have a DVD from Jeff Attwood where he goes past his experience with the Malenistic Spangle and has taken the variety to the Double Factor and one he calls the mutant 1. He has now developed five different types of Spangles. Single Factor Conventional Double Factor Conventional Single Factor Malenistic Double Factor Melanistic Mutant 1. The mutant 1 is different, the chick feathers up as an adult. Where by the SF Melanistic looks like a normal to start with except the white tail. It then moults into the Malenistic as an adult. Edited June 4, 2007 by **KAZ** Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted June 4, 2007 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) Single Factor Conventional - these are the spangle single factors yes the one we all know and love Double Factor Conventional - these are the double factor spangles (all white or yellow) yes your right Single Factor Malenistic - these are look normal and moult into spangles? yep these are the pictures we have posted Double Factor Melanistic - ? this is the one Daz is after a fully coloured body and fully clear wings (white or yellow) Mutant 1 - this is the DF Melanistic? No this one looks like an adult Single Factor Malenistic when it is a baby, it skips the young normal looking wings stage. I believe the inheritance is the same as a Conventional spangle. Edited June 4, 2007 by Nerwen Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted June 10, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 One of Jeff Attwood's Malenistic Spangles. Two of my chicks Pure white. Black eyes Very light skyblue suffusion on the body. Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted June 16, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Today's photos. Very light blue on the body. bit over exposed. Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted June 16, 2007 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted June 16, 2007 okay is it jut me that can see some spangle markings on the wings, close to the flights? I thought they were meant to have clear wings can they get a fault with light markings? Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted August 4, 2007 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted August 4, 2007 Hi Guys Sorry here are some quick shots of them this afternoon As you can see one has the bludy colour with the white wings. There is a hint of cinnamon in the wings.. The other is pure white. I'll try to get some more shots in a few weeks time. I have been at the Pine River Show today. We have a rural show. I got 2 1sts, 1 x 2nd and a 3rd. More information latter Link to comment
Daz 0 Posted April 19, 2008 Member ID: 4,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 247 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,882 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 36,650 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/11/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2022 Birthday: 02/02/1964 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 Double factor Melanistic. Wing markings. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 29, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) for Amy and this http://www.bcv.asn.au/Melanistic%20Spangle.pdf Edited March 29, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted March 29, 2010 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Why thank you lovely lady! This will be a very interesting experience for me, can't wait Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted February 19, 2011 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Bumped for myself ahaha Daz, these are all your birds aren't they? I've seen these photos on other websites... Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted February 12, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) My melanistic.......... arriving soon Edited February 12, 2012 by **KAZ** Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted February 13, 2012 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Nice looking bird KAZ. Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted February 13, 2012 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted February 13, 2012 nice bird Kaz can't wait you see what young you get with him. Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted February 13, 2012 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Are you starting a melanistic line, Kaz? Will you be getting others, too? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted February 13, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Are you starting a melanistic line, Kaz? Will you be getting others, too? No.........he is coming amongst a stud I birds I have bought from a breeder getting out of show budgies. I am told he has bred some ripper spangles. If a melanistic pops up here and there it will be by accident not me trying to breed any. Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted February 14, 2012 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Are you starting a melanistic line, Kaz? Will you be getting others, too? No.........he is coming amongst a stud I birds I have bought from a breeder getting out of show budgies. I am told he has bred some ripper spangles. If a melanistic pops up here and there it will be by accident not me trying to breed any. Well if he is any indication, then the rest of the lot are probably also quite nice additions to your flock. Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted February 15, 2012 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Ohhhhh he's fantastic! Was he one of JM's birds? What a lovely bird! Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted February 15, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Who is JM ? Link to comment
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