American Budgie With English Budgie

[Joey 0]

:(Laughing out loud): Sorry to interrupt all the useful threads but I'm just new to the English Budgie hobby, I was just wondering.... I have a really nice colored little American Budgie. If I bred him to an English ...the English would be split to his type. I never see English budgies in rare colors...so I was wondering if I worked on this one color for generations and generations..year after year could it become show standard?

 

This could be some sort of my plan...

 

1st)> Rare American Cock Budgie

>English hen

 

Than I would keep a baby from this breeding

 

2nd)> Rare American Cock Budgie

>English hen

 

Than I would keep a baby from this Breeding

 

 

 

They would be half brother and sister...than these two babies will be Half & Half a little bigger than the average budgie, I could than keep on breeding this pair's young to English Budgies and hopefully after a few years get a Rare Colored English...Does anyone think this is possible?

 

It might be confusing but ask me questions

[**KAZ** 0]

It depends Joey. What do you consider a "rare colour english budgie" ?

 

For clarification by "english budgie" you really mean a show budgie ?

Also what you call an "american" budgie is a pet budgie ?

Bearing in mind ALL budgies are an Australian budgie. These other terms have been adopted by the countries that Australian budgies live in now. Just thought I had better add that for clarification to others.

 

My thoughts are why go to that kind of trouble to breed for generations to get back size and type of a show budgie when show budgies DO come in all colours and types ? Would it be best you start off with two good quality show budgies and try and improve on those birds ?

It isn't so much the fancy colours of budgies that win shows in the world of show budgies as it is the budgie that has the right shape, and type. Colour is secondary in importance in the show world. But assuming you have a rare type and no other way to acchieve it other than line breeding (which I assume you are talking about here ) .....I guess its a way to get there.

Does this help ?

Edited January 2, 2007 by Bubbles

[Elly 0]

Keeping the line pure is important so cross breeding is not what you would be looking for in the show ring. They want pure English Budgies with the purest line you can find. The specifications and the points are based on the how the English look so you don't want American traits.

[Joey 0]

I shouldn't be against my own country but I'm sorry to day this...Canada has nothing for birds in particular English Budgies. Well my area dosen't I can bareley buy one English I don't know how I could get two. The stuff thats around here is simple....

 

Greens

Greys

Blues

 

Normals

Opalines

(VERY RARELY SPANGLES)

a few Dominant Pieds

 

Not much its all common...what I consider rare is a DF Dominant Pied Yellow Faced Type 2 Skyblue Dliute (possibly spangle) I have never seen this in a English budgie. So this plan wouldn't work than

[**KAZ** 0]

There would probably be no classification for that type of mutation in a show, Joey. They generally stick to most of the standard types of budgies. But if you join a budgie club that shows budgies you may well be able to buy english budgies through them as they "cull" their breed lines and reduce their numbers. By cull I mean sell off.

[Elly 0]

Joey when you are reading about showing you will find that the most wanted are the ones closes to the wild budgie colors.

 

Judges like the pure strains like the greens and blues though our pet owner eyes enjoy the variety of colors given by the rare mutations.

 

Go to the show section of this site and there is an article about colors and what is wanted in the show budgie.

 

Hope that helps

 

I have read that Yellowface 2 is a fault as they don't like the bleeding of the yellow and how it turns the blue gree.

[lochlan 0]

:(Laughing out loud): Sorry to interrupt all the useful threads but I'm just new to the English Budgie hobby, I was just wondering.... I have a really nice colored little American Budgie. If I bred him to an English ...the English would be split to his type. I never see English budgies in rare colors...so I was wondering if I worked on this one color for generations and generations..year after year could it become show standard?

 

This could be some sort of my plan...

 

1st)> Rare American Cock Budgie

>English hen

 

Than I would keep a baby from this breeding

 

2nd)> Rare American Cock Budgie

>English hen

 

Than I would keep a baby from this Breeding

 

 

 

They would be half brother and sister...than these two babies will be Half & Half a little bigger than the average budgie, I could than keep on breeding this pair's young to English Budgies and hopefully after a few years get a Rare Colored English...Does anyone think this is possible?

 

It might be confusing but ask me questions

Sorry not possible .

[defieldsfamily 0]

I shouldn't be against my own country but I'm sorry to day this...Canada has nothing for birds in particular English Budgies. Well my area dosen't I can bareley buy one English I don't know how I could get two. The stuff thats around here is simple....

 

Greens

Greys

Blues

 

Normals

Opalines

(VERY RARELY SPANGLES)

a few Dominant Pieds

 

Not much its all common...what I consider rare is a DF Dominant Pied Yellow Faced Type 2 Skyblue Dliute (possibly spangle) I have never seen this in a English budgie. So this plan wouldn't work than

 

I think it must just be the area you live in Joey as in my area there are many many breeders and bird clubs. If you find a bird club and join, I'm sure you'll meet like minded folks.

[**KAZ** 0]

This topic has been trawled up from the bowels of BBC...........over 3 years old and I have seen Joey around in donkeys ages

 

Looking at dates of topics is a big help before answering in them.

[nubbly5 0]

It was an interesting read though. I was surprised to see people tell him it was not possible to improve his American pet type budgies. Isn't that what all us showies have been doing anyway? sure he might have had a slow start and had to inbreed like crazy but surely he would have been able to improve the birds he had towards show standard.

 

After all the so called English budgie is just a wild type (pet sized) budgie that has been selectively bred for years and years to favour size and feather structure.

[Daz 0]

The term English and American really only applies to the look of the bird.

 

English os more a buff bird and American is more a Yellow (tight feahter) bird.

 

I have to agree with Nubbly, we are always trying to improve the variety , wether it's a Clearwing, recessive pied or Dominant Pied.

 

I believe that it is possible to breed a Recessive Pied or clearwing to the standard and sze of a Dominant pied or Spangle.... it won't be easy or quick, but I do beleive it is possible... so why not with the "American" type bird.

[**KAZ** 0]

It was an interesting read though. I was surprised to see people tell him it was not possible to improve his American pet type budgies. Isn't that what all us showies have been doing anyway? sure he might have had a slow start and had to inbreed like crazy but surely he would have been able to improve the birds he had towards show standard.

 

After all the so called English budgie is just a wild type (pet sized) budgie that has been selectively bred for years and years to favour size and feather structure.

 

 

A thing to be considered also is..............

advice given three years ago by some people would also be different to advice given NOW.

Just as Novices would know a certain amount when starting out and then by the time they move on and even up into open breeders.......would advise differently with time and knowledge.

Delving into old topics and old old advice would not necessarily equate to advice given if this topic and others was posted on the forum TODAY.

[lochlan 0]

It was an interesting read though. I was surprised to see people tell him it was not possible to improve his American pet type budgies. Isn't that what all us showies have been doing anyway? sure he might have had a slow start and had to inbreed like crazy but surely he would have been able to improve the birds he had towards show standard.

 

After all the so called English budgie is just a wild type (pet sized) budgie that has been selectively bred for years and years to favour size and feather structure.

 

 

A thing to be considered also is..............

advice given three years ago by some people would also be different to advice given NOW.

Just as Novices would know a certain amount when starting out and then by the time they move on and even up into open breeders.......would advise differently with time and knowledge.

Delving into old topics and old old advice would not necessarily equate to advice given if this topic and others was posted on the forum TODAY.

Delete old topics then?

[**KAZ** 0]

It was an interesting read though. I was surprised to see people tell him it was not possible to improve his American pet type budgies. Isn't that what all us showies have been doing anyway? sure he might have had a slow start and had to inbreed like crazy but surely he would have been able to improve the birds he had towards show standard.

 

After all the so called English budgie is just a wild type (pet sized) budgie that has been selectively bred for years and years to favour size and feather structure.

 

 

A thing to be considered also is..............

advice given three years ago by some people would also be different to advice given NOW.

Just as Novices would know a certain amount when starting out and then by the time they move on and even up into open breeders.......would advise differently with time and knowledge.

Delving into old topics and old old advice would not necessarily equate to advice given if this topic and others was posted on the forum TODAY.

Delete old topics then?

 

Old topics are our history and our research material. its up to YOU to check the date on them

[JimmyBanks 0]

I think some of the old topics are intriguing... I would suggest however in your post to point out to everyone that it is an old thread...

 

Infact if you can be bothered searching you may find a few threads I tried reviving a fair while ago... some interesting stuff there thats for sure...

[Daz 0]

I like looking back over the old topics just to see how we have learnt things... When I started I couldn't tell the difference between a recessive pied and a dilute.

[**KAZ** 0]

I like looking back over the old topics just to see how we have learnt things... When I started I couldn't tell the difference between a recessive pied and a dilute.

yeah embarassing isnt it

[Daz 0]

But that is where we enjoy the fancy.. looking back at old photos of our birds and the knowledge that we had and to say to ourselves... Yes I have learnt something and it shows int he birds..