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Understanding The Violet Gene


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On 04/11/2006 at 5:28 AM, Daz said:

Cobalts Violet is the only visual violet, but the violet gene effect so many other colours in different ways.

 

To understand the violet gene, we must first understand the consept of Sky blue , Cobalt and Mauve. These colours are effected by the dark factor (sounds like star wars :P).

 

Each bird carried to lighting factors, these come as a Light Factor (L) and a Dark Factor (D).

If a bird has two light factors LL in the blue series it is Sky Blue. In the green series it is Light Green.

If a bird hsa a light factor and a dark factor LD it is a Cobalt in the blue series and a Dark Green in the green series.

If a bird carries two dark factors DD it is a Mauve in the blue series and an Olive in the green series.

 

Lets look at the Violet Gene (v) it is a floating gene that reacts to the Lighting factors. It can be carried on the Light factor or Dark factor.

 

Some examples. a Blue series bird that is carring 1 light factor and one dark factor and the violet gene could be writen this way Lv D or L Dv because the violet gene can be carried on the Light fator or dark factor. This bird in the blue series would be a visual violet (Cobalt Violet). It it was a green series bird it would be a Violet Dark Green. This bird would look like an Olive.

 

Let keep to the blue series birds only.

 

L Lv or Lv L would be a Violet Skyblue

L Dv or Lv D would be a Visual Violet (Violet Cobalt)

D DV or Dv D would be a Violet Mauve.

 

To many this would be as far as they would care to go. Breeding Show birds is a bit different . The breeder would like to know what factor the Violet gene is attached to to help him breed the bird he wants.

How dod you find this out. Well if you have a few thousand of dollars hanging around you can have extensive DNA testing done. Or you can test breed.

 

Example 1.

 

Cross a Cobalt LD with a Visual Violet Lv D.

(Lets use one way of crossing in genetics.1sts, lasts, 1st to last, last to 1st. )

 

L Lv - Violet Sky

D D - Mauve

L D - Cobalt

Lv D - Visual Violet.

 

Note no Skyblues

 

Example 2.

 

Cross a Cobalt LD with a Visual Violet L Dv.

 

L L - Skyblue

D Dv - Violet Mauve

L D - Cobalt

L Dv - Visual Violet

 

Note no Mauves.

 

 

As you can see there is different outcomes from pairing what would look like the same birds.

 

You can carry this on for all types of pairing.

 

Example 3

 

Cross a Violet Mauve D Dv with a Skyblue L L

 

D L - Cobalt

Dv L - Visual Violet

D L - Cobalt

Dv L - Visual Violet

 

50% Visual Violet

50 % Cobalt.

 

Remeber that there is the double factor visual violet Lv Dv.

 

 

For those that get it, what is the out come of a Light green bird to a visual violet?

 

More Information

Producing Visual Violets by Cyril Rogers

 

Violet Factor Blue Series

Hi, thank you for your information ?

 

i have a question..

how to get violet color mutation without i buy one ?

 

for ex: rainbow

now, everyone know the formula to get it....

Thnks before 

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Are these hand reared?

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Hello, I am new.  I have been interested in violets.  This is my first season that I am getting results.  I have a Visual Violet cock that just started breeding.  I have him paired with to a cobalt recessive pied.  There are chicks in the nest now.  This male I will be using alot.  I have two Violet green cocks that I have to use.  One will only throw green since he is homozygous and one that is split.  I have decided that any mauves I get I will keep the best two for next season.  And I want all visual violet females. 

I live on an island and supply is low.  So any suggestions, I will take.  I tried the websites you listed, but they are not accessible.

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On 03/11/2006 at 2:57 PM, Daz said:

Thanks Nerwen. That would be right.

We went through this discussion at the last meeting and there is another 4 examples including

 

a double factor visual violet with a cobalt.

 

A visual violet with a lutino.

 

and a violet grey.

 

 

But i'd like people to grasp the concept first.

 

The breeder that discussed this topic has breed most combinations in the blue series but hasn't breed visual violet to visual violt.

 

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I find myself with only one violet cobalt and three violet sky blues, 2 violet greens and one olive.  So my big thing is that I have to wait.

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2 minutes ago, Bobb Revels said:

 

My big problem is that I have 1 visual violet, 3 violet sky blues, 2 violet greens and 1 olive.  So I am going to have to wait til next season to see any cobalts and visual violets.

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Well I had a bit of a set back.  My violet mauve spangle flew away when my wife opened the door so I lost him.  He was going to be a foundation for my violets.  Boo hoo boo hoo.  So my one visual violet male was a mid 2020 and I am expecting him to start breeding.  I had him n with a lutino that is slplit to blue and violet.  My violet mauve came from her.  So she laid 6 egg but they were all clear.  So that was a bummer.  She only had one clutch this year.  So I put her now with my olive spangle who is split for blue.

Now the rest of my hens are taking a rest.  I am hoping my visual violet will get the hang of mating.  I am going to give him a good plucking round the vent for all of my breeders and I will see if any thing is different.

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I am trying my best to breed violets.  I had a big setback.  I had a violet mauve male that I lost this summer.  So I have to start over.  I am breeding his parents over.  I have a violet cobalt and I am pairing her with a DG violelt.  I am a little fruestrated cause my visual violet cock isnt really interested in breeding and a mid 2020 hatching.  Any suggestions?

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I have a dark green violet cock that I am breeding to my cobalt violet hen.  I am thinking that I would have a good chance of seeing a visual violet bird in the clutch.  Am I right?

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So I have one visual violet that I bred to a lutino who is covering violet.  She is also a dark green.  Earlier this year I bred her to an olive spangle and she threw me a violet mauve spangle.  I am trying to copy that for this breeding.  Think I can?

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Well folks, I am setting up my breeding pairs for 2022.  I have a violet cobalt cock paired to Violet Green hen.  So far she has just hatched one chick.  I am hoping to get a visual violet chick.  I have my visual violet Cock paired to a Lutino Hen.  She is split for violet.  Last year she gave me a nice violet mauve spangle male.

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