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What happens when a recessive pied breeds with a dominant pied? What would they produce? Would you get any DF Pieds? What if the male was opaline and graywing too?

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These are 2 different genes completely so if you breed a Dominant to a Recessive the only way you would get Recessives is if the Dominant was also carrying the recessive gene which you wouldn't know unless you knew the parentage of the Dominant pied. Make sense?

 

Greywing is a recessive gene also and both birds have to carry the gene to have greywing babies, again if it doesn't show on the birds you won't know if they are split unless you know their history.

 

Opaline is a sex-linked gene, if you have a male opaline any opaline babies you get would be females. If you have a female opaline she would pass the opaline gene to her male off-spring but it would not be visual the only way it would be is if the male was split to opaline and the female was opaline too. Females will always express the opaline gene males need 2 opaline genes to express it visually.

 

I hope that all makes sense.

 

Here is a nice website to read more.. http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html

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Doesn't this combination produce a dark eyed clear ?

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The DEC is a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#darkeyed

 

She said dominant so I was thinking of just a regular dominant like Merlin not a Clearflight Pied (which is a dominant too) http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...ml#dominantpied and then then clearflight http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...tml#clearflight

 

Good thinking Karen - keeping us on our toes.

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The DEC is a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#darkeyed

 

She said dominant so I was thinking of just a regular dominant like Merlin not a Clearflight Pied (which is a dominant too) http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...ml#dominantpied and then then clearflight http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...tml#clearflight

 

Good thinking Karen - keeping us on our toes.

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that is so funny. It just so happens that my male really is a clearflight recessive pied opaline! He is a gorgeous boy! (Laughing out loud) So I really could get DECs?

Shell

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He is a Dominat Clearflight Opaline (you wouldn't know if he was split to recessive because it is not visual because it is a hidden gene). If you wanted DEC you would pair him with a visual recessive pied such as my Pretty in my siggy.

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thanks Lovey. I appreciate your help. So I have two dominant pieds insteand of one dominant and one recessive. So what would their babies be? Would I get df pieds or what?

Thanks again,

Shell

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Breeding 2 dominant pieds is going to give you dominant pieds any any surprise genes so if both carried a recessive gene then you can get a recessive baby is about a 25% chance.

 

Now you will only get recessive pieds from a Dominant Pied and Recessive Pied clutch if they BOTH carried the recessive gene. The only way to guarantee recessive pieds the first clutch is to breed 2 recessive pieds.

 

So if you breed your dominant either one they both would have to be split for recessive pieds.

 

Example: 1st Dominant Pied not split for recessive no recessive babies will ever be produced from this bird. 2nd Domiant Pied bird you have if he is split can produce recessive babies but only when breed with 1. another recessive pied OR 2. a another bird that is split for recessive pied.

 

Make sense?

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Thanks so much Lovey. I will get this down eventually. I am very glad that I am not going to breed till next summer. I still have much to learn. Right now I am trying to get pairs together that will make pretty babies and that will be happy together. I have them in three separate cages, watching and learning about each bird's personality and preferences and how they get along with the others. they are all beautiful and healthy and have already given me so much enjoyment just being who they are. I am very grateful to this forum and to people like you who are so willing to help me learn.

Thanks again,

Shell :D

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Your welcome

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Breeding two dominant pieds will give you 75% pied babies and 25% normal babies (no pied genes whatsoever). Out of the 75% that are pied, 50% will be single factor dominant pieds, 25% will be doublefactor dominant pieds. Since your male is opaline, all female babies will be opaline if your hen is not opaline. You won't even have to wait for the ceres to change to know that. :D

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Thanks Rainbow. That is what I wanted to know, Whether I could get DF dominant pieds. YEAHHHHHH! I hope they decide to get busy next summer and give me some pretty babies. :D

Shell

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Dragging an oldie out into the open again. The greywing x recessive pied wasnt mentioned again. If there needs two grey wing alleles to produce grey wing and two recessive pied to produce recessive pied, what do we get from greywing bred to recessive pied? 

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9 hours ago, Bud Rega said:

Dragging an oldie out into the open again. The greywing x recessive pied wasnt mentioned again. If there needs two grey wing alleles to produce grey wing and two recessive pied to produce recessive pied, what do we get from greywing bred to recessive pied? 

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that is easy .

both birds are from the greens , so i tell you from clean birds.

if you have 4x25% off eggs , so 4 youngster than you have.

100% normals/ recessives-greywings , that is what you wil have and 100% lightgreens .

if both birds are split blue you wil have 25% of normal blue / recessive - greywing .

thats it...

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On 28/12/2022 at 4:44 AM, budgiegod of pi-factors said:

that is easy .

both birds are from the greens

The green looking one is SF par blue- the golden face takes the yellow away making the bird aqua. 

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Just now, Bud Rega said:

The green looking one is SF par blue- the golden face takes the yellow away making the bird aqua. 

Normal- grey wing recessive. So will they be normals or grey wing? 

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5 hours ago, Bud Rega said:

Normal- grey wing recessive. So will they be normals or grey wing? 

like i say 100% normals/ greywing-recessive  (vissible greywing or recessive is not possible if they are clean birds )

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On 09/01/2023 at 2:45 PM, budgiegod of pi-factors said:

like i say 100% normals/ greywing-recessive  (vissible greywing or recessive is not possible if they are clean birds )

Back to other discussion on this thread. Is it possible for a spangle to be a clearflight pattern and create the DEC or does the clearflight need to be of 'normal' genetics only?

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