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  1. I have a pair I think is sky blue violet opaline hen and a sky greywing split opaline male with the most wonderful clutch I’ve ever seen, but one of the babies is a color I just can’t explain. Mother (baby picture): The female is a bit more cobalt looking now since her first molt, but she still has a definite, unmistakeable violet shade (that unfortunately doesn’t photograph well) and her tail feathers are definitely turquoise at the base, which I’ve come to undestand as a good way to identify sky violet from cobalt. She also has a certain shine to her that just isn’t there on the non-violet budgies I have. I’ve seen pictures of her parents and all the siblings from her clutch live and they also looked all like birds with no dark factors. Her father is a light green violet and her mom a normal sky blue. Father: The male has been a bit trickier and for some reason he looks a bit too intense for a sky blue in certain lighting. For a while I was wondering if he could be a cobalt. Still, compared to a opaline sky blue baby, the male is very much lighter. But for me, all sky blues usually have a certain turquoise hue and he just doesn’t have that. He is a colder, paler shade of light blue which is probably partly because of the greywing, but still looks sort of weird to me. And now to the mystery baby… One of the opaline babies in the clutch looks like he has a grey base color. Someone suggested that he might be mauve, but I think he looks just pale grey. I do have normal patterned cobalt, grey violet, grey, violet, mauve and mauve violet in my flock and compared to any of them, the only one identical to this baby is the grey one. The baby even has black tailfeathers (those thathaven’t been lightened because of the opaline). Unfortunately I only have a picture from his back for now, since he isn’t quite old enough to perch yet and I only managed to get very unclear, shadowy pictures from the front. There is no way that another female could have laid the egg, so it’s definitely the hen in the breeding cage. The pair was separated nearly a month before any eggs, so I’d say it’s very likely that the father would in fact be the father. Also, all of my greys are female, so they cannot be involved making this baby anyway. I consider myself to know usually quite enough about genetics and that I usually know how to identify different colors. I feel like I should know by now the difference between mauve and grey and by looking at my adult mauve and grey birds I see huge differences between them. But this baby confuses me. Mainly because he just looks like he should have been born in another pairs clutch. I also realize that since the grey gene has popped up spontaneously before both recessive and dominant in both Australia and other parts of the world, even spontaneous re-appearance of a mutation isn’t completely impossible. However I’m still looking for a bit easier explanation than that. Does anyone have any ideas on what might’ve been the cause?
  2. As my main goal in breeding is always health (both mental and physical), I've been wondering about budgie mutations and what affect they might have on a bird if not combined correctly. All my breeding experiences so far are with cockatiels and they have a few mutations that are prone to certain problems and I'm interested to know if budgies have those too... Ino and other red eyed mutations (such as fallow) in cockatiels have big problems, especially with their eyes, for example glaucoma and blindness. They often also tend to be smaller and may have bald spots on the top of their heads and under the wings. Some are reported to get ill more easily and many times they die a bit younger than others. This is why visual to visual pairings on these mutations aren't usually recommended unless the birds are better than average quality. Does this apply to budgies? In many species the repeated breeding of visual to visual recessive genes also seems to affect the quality, size and often longevity of the offspring. In cockatiels this is most common with whitefaces (which is essentially the same as blue mutation in budgies) and visual to visual pairings for many generations soon start to show in crest size and overall size of the bird. I would guess that eventually there will be negative effects using visual to visual recessives for several generations in budgies too, as it is so common in the animal kingdom, but I'd be interested to know how this might show and what to look for? Then there are some mutations that for some reason are harder to breed. This includes my favorite, the sex-linked yellowcheek, but I think that mutation isn't one cockatiels share with budgies - unlike most of the others. But are there budgie mutations that somehow seem to be harder to work with? DIS, baby deaths, incubation problems or odd behavior etc. that would be associated with a certain mutation more than the others? Overall what are the things I can most easily get wrong with budgies? Are there any common diseases that could be passed on to the offspring? Somehow I have a feeling some cancers might be more common in certain family lines, is this true? All I have found on this subject so far is that opaline to opaline can affect the quality of the color, but is it only for that reason? When it comes to healthy body types, I find it always best to try to get is as close as possible to birds in the wild, but as I still enjoy different mutations and want to breed them responsibly, I'd like to know what are the do's and don'ts.
  3. I brought home this little cutie on monday: She's a sky blue violet opaline (violet shade is very clear live, but somehow the camera doesn't really capture it). Parents are light green violet opaline (dad) and cobalt (mom) and her siblings were clearly light green violet and green opaline. I named her Sumu (meaning mist or fog in finnish) and she's an amazing flyer. She was born free in a hobbyists living room and she instantly seemed at home in my aviary too. Though she tried to land on my cockatiels for some reason. I usually keep new birds in their own cage for a while but as there was no reason at all to suspect anything infectious and she seemed really lost on her own, I decided to carefully try how she would react to the others. Also as she had never been in a cage before, it didn't seem right to keep her in one. My aviary is 5x6 meters wide and 3 meters high so she has lots of room to roam - and privacy too if she decides to need some. As I sat on the floor to hang out with my tame cockatiels, she landed right next to me and even tried to land on me a couple of times. I'm still a bit too scary, but treats and other birds should fix that soon! I'm thinking on breeding Onni with a nice, dark green or cobalt girl and to keep one mauve boy (with violet if Onni is a violet after all) for Sumu to breed with.
  4. The boys had a tiny part in a theater play few days ago (something to do with organic sounds) and since I had to take them outside anyway, I also tried to get a few pictures in natural light... Well, tried. I still can't capture some of the shades visible to the naked eye. Couple of people I asked, also said they can see a definitely violet shade all over Onni's body, especially neck and vent area. I also noticed a clearly violet shade on Elmo's neck I hadn't noticed before. Unfortunately I also found out that Elmo is much older than I thought. He was born in 2007 and therefore he's probably too old for breeding purposes anyway? But as all my birds are first and foremost my pets, even the breeders, it's okay. Not all birds are supposed to breed and even if he wasn't too old there could be another reason why he shouldn't... and I was already prepared for that. But onto the pictures... (Again, clicking opens the pictures in actual size.) The cheek patches are clearly very violet, so Onni cannot be grey? Body color is very uneven but the bluer parts look like they have a violet hue on them - at least live. I can see it in the picture too, but because everyone has their own monitor settings, it might not show like that on other computers. Onni's back if anyone finds it useful in the identification process. I'll probably get Onni a normal cobalt girl to find out about the violet. Or cobalt opaline so one of their male babies could be used to breed lovely mauve opaline babies someday. Or spangle... Oh, the opportunities. I think the violet in Elmo's neck can be seen here (for a bit at least). Is that normal for yellowface mutations or could he be a cobalt violet? Elmo has a white ring in his eyes so definitely a clearflight pied rather than dominant pied?
  5. Thank you so much! Many dominant pieds here in Finland look very much like Elmo and it's a bit more common here so that's why I'm suspecting that instead of a clearflight pied. You could still be right though! I'm absolutely not sure about guess, just leaning towards it a bit more propability wise. EDIT: No, sorry... You're absolutely right. I completely missed how he lacked any white/yellow on his belly that all the other dominant pieds seem to have. I feel like an idiot sometimes with these things! I know the splits of my boys can affect the babies quite a bit. I'm trying to get in touch with their breeders (their previous owner wasn't sure, but I have some very promising leads - helps to have a country with only a few breeders) so I could learn about their parents and siblings and therefore sort out what they might have hidden. What I know about Onni is that his mom was a violet of some sort (probably cobalt) as I said and apparently his father was a mauve. I don't know if the father was grey or not though. So if we look at inheritance, both options are still possible. You might be right about Urmas not being violet. I think I see it sometimes but as I said, I do have some problems with different shades so I'm not sure. And as I'm not planning to breed him (as he is Julias parner) it doesn't matter that much anyway. Just my curiosity kicking in. EDIT: Just got a responce saying the parents vere cobalt violet and mauve, possibly grey mauve. And apparently dad was split to opaline so there might be that too. I do like violets, greys and mauves very much. Also spangle and opaline are some of my favourites. Actually some of the colors I like the least are different types of yellowface, but they seem popular here so I don't mind if some babies are yellowfaces of some sort. I do like greywing, clearwing and dilute however. And I would absolutely love to have some clearbodies, but I think there are less than five individuals in the whole country (Texas clearbody) so it might take a while to get them... All in all I enjoy the colder tones, either very dark or very light and right now I'm open to many possibilities until I really figure out what I want to do and why I want to do it. With my previous breeding experience I've really grown to respect and love pure natural mutations so some day I could see myself having a small breeding flock of normal budgies with preferably no splits, but I realize it might be impossible to obtain that here and get rid of every other mutation. One can still dream though... (Ugh, what a hard topic to discuss in a foreign language... and I haven't even started with all the lovely genetics questions I have about budgies and some of their inheritance patterns! )
  6. I'll continue with my questions on this topic so I don't have to start a new one. I've been breeding cockatiels small scale (well, big scale for my country) for 10 years or so, so I'm not exactly new to genetics per se... However I'm very new to budgies and with all the million color combinations I often find myself a bit lost. I also, apparently, have some sort of difficulties identifying different shades of colors (not just in birds, I notice this in other areas of life too) so I will probably never be able to see the difference between very similar mutations. For now, I have three males and one female and will be getting two more girls soon. I'm planning to breed my single boys with the new girls someday and to calculate probable offspring colors (and to decide what kind of girls I want to get for the boys), I need to make sure of the colors instead of just guessing. The female that I already have has a small tumor and is probably very old so I won't be breeding her, but would like to know her color as well. (Click for bigger pictures) Elmo. I'm guessing single factor dominant pied (or Australian pied where I come from) and goldenface? Or if not GF then yellowface II? And the greenish shade probably means it's heterozygote GF or YC2 as some sites suggest? Onni. Mauve and possibly violet? (Don't worry, he's not fat, just sitting very oddly..) I know that Onni's mom was violet (SF) and a friend of mine (not a budgie hobbyist) said she could definitely see a violet tint in him in sunlight. I'm probably getting a cobalt violet opaline girl for him. Urmas. Definitely a cobalt, but also violet? Urmas is Onni's brother and therefore his mom was also violet. Urmas again and his girlfriend Julia. Sky blue (or cobalt? I think the picture darkens her a bit) YC II (or goldenface..) clearwing? I also had a budgie for a short while when I was a teenager (he was very old when I got him and died after only few months). Picture is very bad quality, but I'd still be curious to know if my guess for his color was correct. Light green clearwing? Greywing would have more visible markings? I'm very interested to learn these things so whether I'm right or wrong, I'd really like to know why so. For example "No, because if you look at the tail..." or "Yes, because the chest..." etc. It would be very helpful.
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