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  1. All my Dark Greens are split Clearwing and the Olives are Clearwing but I guess your just after Normals.
  2. Allways hard to tell from photos but I reckon both parents are Full Body Coloured Greywings. Chick 1 = Clearwing Light Green Chick 2 = Opaline Clearwing Light Green Chick 3 = Clearwing Dark Green Chick 4 = Opaline FBC Greywing Dark Green Chick 5 = Opaline FBC Greywing Dark Green Chick 6 = Clearing Light Green
  3. I was going to go to this one but my race horse is nominated to race so I know where I'll be. Might be able to pop in for a look. Wait and see what happens on the day.
  4. Squeak those Clearbodies are TCB's. There are no Easley CB's in Australia. Easley's have black markings including flights an the cheek patch is a silver grey on all colours, tails are black. Your bird looks to me like it have violet cheek patch which if that is go is not a Grey Green. Obviously the breeder you got them from don't know what he/she is talking about. You even say the breeder is just getting into them! To answer other questions raised. Easley CB's are dominant and I do not know of any combinations being bred in the USA where these birds orignated. I don't think Tom Easley would have bred them with the TCB's as he has never said so in his writings. As the Easley CB does not exist in Australia there is no class for it. In the USA it is in their standard of perfection but I could not tell you at this time if they have a seperate class. The Easly is not dominant to Ino like the TCB because it is not an allele like the TCB. Squeak your Light Green you bought cannot be Masking YF and split for Blue at the same time. It is either a Green/Blue or a Green/Yellowface.
  5. 30 days of age feather duster weighs 69g and its nest mate 2 days younger is 50g.

  6. GB, sweetheart I did not say the bird was definately a Grey Green. I said it looked Grey Green ( I think I was on the laptop at the time and colour are different on there) that is why I followed with Quote: "Check the cheek patch if violet it is not Grey Green."
  7. Consult fee of $77 for two birds is very reasonable indeed. Hope all goes well for your birds.
  8. Couple of surprises in my nest boxes. Some good, some not so good.

    1. Sunnie


      Hopefully more good than not! :)

    2. RIPbudgies


      Lucky I love me rares, if I didn't it would be 90% bad.

  9. b.k.2009 you could also consider keeping together birds from the same studs. There is a good chance the bird are realted and so the features you need to cement will be enhanced further by breeding related individuals. This will give you a good grounding for your own lines. Remember what you see if not always what you get. Be prepared to mix and match at the next pairing. Observe carefully the results and compare to the parents. You want to see consistency and uniformity in the young. Remember also the young will carry a percentage of the parents genes and don't be afraid of putting a son or daughter back to a parent. Some times pairs (bloodlines) just don't click, doesn't mean the pairs are no good, try them with another mate. Ask the breeders if they have the pedigrees for the birds and also where their stock originated and where they get their outcrosses from. You got a few birds there from Sue Adams. Is it possible that any of the cocks are split Clearbody? ring her and find out....it would be better way to go especially if related....if not fall back to the Dark Green/Ino. picture#8...does that hen always sit back on the perch like that?
  10. Dominant Pied Opaline and is looking Grey Green. Check the cheek patch if violet it is not Grey Green. The cheeks patches have lost there colour due to the action of the pied gene. As for being a double factor dom pied. Unless you know the breeding or will bred from this bird you will never know for sure. I have seen single factor pieds with this level of piedness. I am not 100% on this cause one photo makes me think cock and then I look at the second picture and I see hen. So for me jury is out for the time being.
  11. Consider pairing the Dark Green/Ino to the Clearbody hen. You will then produce Normal/CB cocks; Clearbody/Ino cocks; Normal hens and Ino hens. This will start you off with some visual CB cock for next year. As it stands now Pair 3 only has a 25% of producing an Ino and it will be a hen and all the cocks produced will be Normal but some will split for Ino but you will not know which ones. Pair 6 will only produced Normal split Clearbody cocks and Normal hens. Unless you have been given pedigrees you will not know if any of the other birds are split but I would suggest being split for Opaline and Cinnamon or both is common place. Have you a particular reason for keeping the Greys together? This will produce a portion of double factor Greys. A pairing I like to do is a Grey Green/Blue to a Blue with one having a dark factor.
  12. One of the effects of French Moult is a stranglutation look of the feather. They also appear to bulge slightly which may be cause of the strangulation effect.
  13. 23rd ring went on tonight.

  14. Thanks, RIP, that does answer my question, and also confirms what I have been figuring out, that cinnamon doesn't show up visually when it's combined with the dilution genes. (I'm assuming that goes for the greywing and clearwing, as well, or do those have differing degrees of the cinnamon not showing up?) Cinnamon when used in the Dilute alleles will change their appearance and sometimes it is hard to pick up, even for me. I can sometimes suspect but not allways be able to prove without test mating. On a Dilute as I already mentioned it will reduce the already reduced body colouring and sometimes it is hard to pick up. It will reduce depth of violet in cheek and marking will usually still be seen as a pale grey. On a Clearwing it will reduce the body colour and will be similar to a normal Cinnamon in depth. the cheek will be a pale violet (careful here as some Clearwings can had pale violet cheek patches, yet not be Cinnamon). sometimes you can see a slight brownish/cinnamon cast to the tale. I have bred many Cinnamon Clearwings as I use them in my Black Eyes. On a Greywing I can't really tell you much as I have never puposely set out to breed one as I find no use for this composite. I have been shown birds that were told to me as Cinnamon Greywing and yes they looked different with body colour reduced as expected and the marking taking on a brownish/cinnamon cast. cheek patches I would suspect will dilute to a paler violet maybe similar to a normal Dilute. There will also be differences for example, Dilutes from Clearwing stock, they tend to lose wing markings. FBC Greywings, well I have never seen Cinnamon included here. I would suspect though that the bird would resemble a Cinnamon except the wing marking would be mainly grey with a brownish/cinnamon cast.
  15. Your not having a good run, that's for sure. I hope it's gets better for you.
  16. okay, so I have a question, if both parents are cinnamon, shouldn't the whole nest be born with PLUM eyes? I'm guessing that by "Black Eyes" you mean Black Eyed Self, but what color eyes are they born with? (I should probably move this over to my plum eye topic, to keep from going off track in your thread, RIP.) Finnie they were all born with plum eyes. A Black Eyed Self Colour is a competition variety in Australia wereby we try and obtain a clear yellow or white bird, hopefully free of markings based on the Dilute mutation. Using Cinnamon although not allowed in the class as such is practiced quite widely as it is pretty much impossible to see the Cinnamon on a Dilute as the brown marking just don't show up but the effect is to help reduced body colour suffusion. The eyes darken as they age and so again there is no visual id to go on. Any question on any of the results in this thread very welcomed and certainly not off topic. Things were putting along quite well till I had that person come through the place. He could of gone into the shed, I don't know. Of course the cops moving around and shining torches didn't help. But I am happy with what is happening despite that. I am always chuffed when I see a GF in the nest. Same goes for any of the rares really. Especially when I have paired splits like the Danish pair. Sadto hear your not doing so well. Maybe too cold over there? Generally I don't breed in winter but my set up is not what it use to be so I have to go with the flow for now until I can set thing up the way I had them before. Hope things pick up for you.
  17. There should be some there now. I have had to edit so many times. Kept pressing wrong buttons. I so need new glasses. It is starting to get real bad now. Fingers are getting cold too. Can't afford heating.
  18. Just a quick update on the birds. I lost a few chicks from various clutches the night of the trespasser and then with the cops shining torches around the place. Pair 1: Danish Pied Dk Green/Cinn x Cinn Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue New hen, sat well but addled a couple of eggs. So one left of hers and a foster. Hers looks like a Danish at this time. Pair 2: Opaline Sky x Opaline Cinnamon Lt Green All Opalines of course but surprise the hen is split Blue as there is a Blue in the nest. Pair 3: Lt Green/Blue x Lt Green This is the third time I have tried this hen since purchasing her. Finally she did the right thing. One is fostered off and the two remaining are a Green and a Blue so the hen is split Blue. Pair 4: Dilute Dk Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute Devastation! Found the hen dead in the box tonight with no apparent cause. she had an egg on the way down and was due to lay 10/6. Transferred eggs. Still devatasted, a bit dent in the breeding program I had planned. Pair 5: Cinnamon Dk Green/Dilute x Grey(sf) Green/Dilute Hen laid fine but seems to move eggs around a bit, quite frustrating. Didn't seem to feed well so fostered off. Looks like I'll get one from her this time round. she has started laying again and was due to lay today but....nothing. I needed to put the dead hens eggs somewhere and this was the only place in sync. So I might have to sacrifice her eggs in favour of the dead hens. Pair 6: Cinnamon Dk Green/Danish, Blue x Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue I got a Danish, first up. Next is looking normal. Look closely and you will see the Pied markings starting to be noticable. Pair 7 & 8: Both Clearwings that look Olive and paired to Cinnamon Light Green hens. Pair 7.... well what a surprise!! I have either a Clearwing or a Dilute! Sort of puts a crimp in the experiment. I need full bodied colour in order to ascertain the cock true colour, having any dilution just will not do BUT I'll keep it just the same. Hopefully it is a cracker. It is the chick on the right in the picture. Pair 8 fostering others since she went clear. Pair 9: Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute This hen is so frustrating. The pair have so much energy. Laid nine eggs, all fertile. Seem to feed to start then it all went pair shaped. Fostered them all out as hatched and eventually the eggs also. Ended up loosing the lot. Pair 10: Goldenface(sf) Cobalt x Sky Blue First chick a GF....woohoo!! Pair 11: Goldenface(sf) Coablt x Opaline Sky Laid fine, sat fine, addled all. Nest boxes 9-12 are not very successful at all. Pair 12: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green He is past it I think. This is the second year I have tried him. I was sure he was peaking this time round, practically bouncing off the walls, but alas, still no bubs. He is a great foster dad though. Pair 13: Spangle Cinnamon Grey Green x Spangle Opaline Grey Green Only two eggs fertile both hatched but I may have lost one. Got a couple of BES freeloaders in there all around the same age and cause they are all Cinnamon I have to wait till feathering to figure out whose who except the first one....it is a Spangle.It is the chick at the bottom in the picture. Pair 14: Sky/Dilute x Dilute Lt Green/Blue First chick a Dilute Sky....Woohoo!! Markings will be very heavy though. Might be heavy enough I might have to enter it as a Greywing and the judges will have to penalised the poor body colour. It is the chick top right in the picture. Pair 15: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green A nest full of BLACK EYES.....Woohoo!! Pair 16: Lt Green/Clearwing, Blue x Clearwing Dk Green Three chicks to young to tell yet what they are. Pair 17: Clearwing Violet(sf) Cobalt x Dk Green/Clearwing, Blue T2 Few problems here. Eggs are not a good shape. She addled a few, sat real late in the peice and they should be hatching now but nothing. Another nest box that is a problem.
  19. I will give only my opinion on your inquiries as I can't speak for how others see things.
  20. Rung my 16th chick tonight.

    1. Sunnie


      Nice :) Got my first two pinkies for the season in the last 24 hours yay! :)

  21. Quite honestly I don't go by any time scale. I will let the birds tell me when they are ready again. If it is a bird I wish to use again that is, otherwise he can just hang with the mob till breeding season.
  22. Congrats to all those on BBC that have had birds selected. GO Sandgropers
  23. Fertility is great with no real problems as such at this stage. 8 of the pairs at first year hens and all have fertile eggs with a couple missing. Couple of the pairings as two first year birds together and have had no problems. I persoanlly don't believe in hens being a problem on their first time. I watch my birds for weeks before pairing as they are coming through their moult. I catch the cocks as they are bouncing around chatting up everything in sight and if they have a few pin feathers, no worries. The hens are a little more suttle in their appearance but I like to see them showing interest in the boys next door and generally they will bounce around the place but not quite like the cocks. Observation is the key. Only pairs who have not filled eggs at all are the old Black Eye.....so although he was showing all the signs he just maybe not producing any more sperm. So retirement for him. The other clear nest was a Clearwing x Cinnamon so I will use her as a foster which sometimes helps the hen settle into the breeding routine and not be so keen to sit on eggs.
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