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  1. There was none of the usual indications that Texas Clearbody was involved in this bird. I have seen this before in Opalines but in the green series only and never combined with Cinnamon. Opalines can cause patchy colour in my early days I saw fair few that were patchy around the chest area and this corresponded with just a general lack of colour all over but not to this extent. What you will find has happened is that there was a transcription error of the Opaline locus and it could be a one off or something new. Maybe an allele of Opaline who knows.
  2. These are the best pics. I have labelled them so you know what your looking at. Because Dusty died in this fashion does necessarily mean all FD's die the same way. Unless untopsied we never know. So anybody in Perth has one and it dies put in the fridge in a plastic bag. DO NOT PUT IN FREEZER. Get the bird to me ASAP and I will do the job if you are to squeemish. So now for the pix. Don't forget they are thumbnails. Click on them for larger versions.
  3. Your quite welcome Kaz. Kaz I will email you the heart photos directly so you don't have to look in photobucket. I will label photos and post them to photobucket and provide link in this thread. I am quite busy today but I should have them up by end of tonight.
  4. As Kaz already mentioned there was fluid around the heart. When I first opened Dusty up I was presented with a big yellow fluid looking mass (about the size of a quail egg) where the heart should be. I removed all the viscera except lungs, kidneys and genetalia. Liver was in great shape as was intestines and no worms or other parasites that I could see. Pretty much no fat deposits in the abdomen which I would not expect to see in FD's. The weight of Dusty was great a wopping 68 grams. I seperated the yellow mass from the rest of the viscera and when sunlight was shone through the heart could be seen off to one side. Upon opening this up a yellow jelly like substance came out with a yellow fluid. Prior to opening this up I did noticed a hard mass and the bottom. Looking at the heart it was pale and there appeared to be a mass towards the bottom. I managed to remove it from the heart and it was a greenish colour but had not infiltrated the heart wall but rather was stuck on the outside. I disected the heart and found no blood within, there was a fair bit of congealed blood at the entrance to the heart however. The heart was pale with the usual amount of fat around the top portion. The fluid filled sac was most likely the pericardium (a protective membrane around the heart) In response to the mass on the heart it may have begun to fill with fluid and the mass on the sac could well have been at one point attached to the wall of the heart and hence why it was found so far down on the sac wall. With this much area filled by fluid there would have been more pressure on the heart and when Dusty became more agitated his blood would need to pump more blood. Dusty's lungs too would have been affected as they would not be able to fill to capacity and blood oxygen levels would have been decreased contributing to the heart muscle failure. I did also look at the brain but quite honestly I have never seen a normal budgie brain so have nothing to compare with. I did think it looked quite large, pale and spongy. So next time one of my birds die I'll have to crack open it's scone and take a look inside. As for Dusty's sex well I am still not a 100% sure. As an immature bird the organs will be small. I found what I thinks looks like a testis but I could not find a matching pair or I was looking at the adrenal gland. I was also not sure if another organ there could have been the ovaries but seem to be a little to central. Maybe Dusty was both. I am going to do a little more digging and see if I can come up with an answer. I did take some photos but will not post here as they are a bit up close and personal. Also Kaz does not want to see Dusty this way but would rather remember him/her the way he/she was.
  5. Both Fallows. The yellow one is Opaline which causes further reduction in body colour.
  6. Hi All, Sorry to be a pedantic so-and-so, but crossing over and recombination are pretty much the same things. Recombination is the result of crossing over as opposed to the return to normality or the status quo. Your definition suggests that the chromosomes re-unite at the same locus (recombine) where the reality is that the chromosomes will cross over or "recombine" at a somewhat random point , albeit the further from the chromosomes centromere, the greater the chance of crossing over I believe. Rip you are on the money with your percentages and I would say that 1 in 12 hens from this mating being cinnamon opaline is a relatively common event when referrring to crossing over events. Hope this helps. Cheers PT You can get pedantic if you like, I do the same from time to time. I wasn't actually putting forward a defination as such rather trying to explain what happens which is really hard when you have try and do it all with words. You are correct the further away from the Centromere the likelyhood is increased of cross over. The words cross over and recombination, athough similar and in a broad sense mean the same thing, in fact are used quite differently. Crossing over generally refers to the first event whereby the genes leave their place of residence, recombination is the second event whereby they find there way back. Not in exactly the same place as wence it came but rather in the location to which it belong on another choromosome. If it is a sex chromosome involved it has to recombine with like chromosome and if it is say non sex linked it has to recombine with the chromosome eqivalent it came from i.e. if the gene left chromosome 12 then it must return to another chromosome 12. It cannot randomly pick another chromosome. There is a place for that particular sequence to reside. If genes randomly ended up anywhere on a chromosome scientists would not have been able to map the DNA of humans, drosophilia, horses, chickens just to name a few.
  7. First things first. The Light Green cock you wish to pair as you know is already split for Cinnamon. Now assuming the father passed on the Opaline gene to him he would now be thus: Light Green/Opaline Cinnamon-II Assuming you are going to pair this cock bird to a normal Light Green hen the results are thus: COCKS 16.901% Light Green / Cinnamon 16.901% Light Green / Opaline 8.099% Light Green 8.099% Light Green / Opaline Cinnamon-I HENS 16.901% Light Green Cinnamon 16.901% Light Green Opaline 8.099% Light Green 8.099% Light Green Opaline Cinnamon Dean and GB your percentages do not take recombination into account.
  8. So to add to this thread with some more info. Nubbly dropped in yesterday so we took advantage and got some comparision photos. In each photo the bird of the left is the double factor Goldenface Violet and the bird on the right is a single factor Goldeface Mauve. As you can see they are both in nest feather so you can see how different the single and double factor presents itself. Front on shot showing the depth of yellow in both. Side shoot clearly showing the different depths of yellow. Wing shot. You'll notice the df has little yellow in the feathers compared to the sf. notice also on the rump that the sf bird shows suffsuion already. Top side of secondary tail feathers. Again reduced yellow in the df bird. Underside shot of secondary tail feather clearly showing the differences in the depth of yellow.
  9. It's all that exercise he is suddly getting. Blood not going to his brain anymore. GB I know what ya mean on reviewing posts when replying you can't go back and check on stuff it is a pain in the butt. Makes replying to post frustrating.
  10. GB looks like you inputted the info correctly therefore your results are correct. For those who are not familiar with scientific terms - 1.0 denotes male and 0.1 denotes female. Ignore the term Pallid in this instance. Lacewing is also correctly referred to as cinnamon-ino the hyphen denotes linkage of the Cinnamon and Ino gene. In matings with Texas Clearbodies treat the Lacewing as an Ino it will give the same results.
  11. Looks like a Cobalt Recessive Pied and it may well be Spangle. It is a cock bird.
  12. From my experience in the hobby Jimmy it seems the clubs thinks the world revolves around them any how so they don't feel the need to advertise. Most people who runs the clubs have no idea how to gain new members or where and when to advertise. They just don't have the knowledge. Even my own local club is wanting for membership as attendance is down a great deal. Technology is moving so fast that some people just have difficulty keep up with it. A lot of clubs are run by folks who are not into technology and it's like pulling teeth when a suggestion is made about advertsing on the net. Social networking sites such as FB are ideal mediums for advertisment. They are free and the inter-connecting between individuals is amazing. I have over 200 people on my FB from all areas of life as I have many varied interests. My friends list range form Aussie to such places as Pakistan, Iraq, Japan, Phillipines, Europe, USA, South America to name a few. I have three pages connected with my page. One each for my dog Kosh, one for the race horse I am a syndicate share in (Canardly Miss) and the other I set up orignally as a page for my son's Mountain Bike club and then I went on to create a group for it but the page still remains. In the future I plan to set up a page for my budgies.
  13. For the cock (1.0) you need to click on the following radio buttons: Dark - blue chromosome section bl.goldenface - in the visual column blue - on the split column dark - button on the right in the visual column For the hen (0.1) click on the following radio buttons: Dark - blue chromosome section dark - button on the right in the visual column blue - button in visual column Structural section violet - button on the right in the visual column Sex-linked section opaline - there is only one button, select it Then calculate.
  14. Need better pics you bum! So your volunteering to come over and give me hand are you. I need somebody to hold while I shoot or vice versa.
  15. It is easy to make, here is is the recipe: Take 1 coat hanger and you will need to cut a 17cm section out of the bottom in the middle. The side need to be bent down a bit to allow room for birds to sit on top of cob. Put cob on first if it makes it easier for you to do. The hook needs to be closed up more so it stays on the perch. Please be careful when pushing the cobs onto the wire. Don't want anybody sticking the wire through their hands. Leave the cobs on when they are dry and they will play with them. Just replace the cob when ever you feel like it.
  16. Cock: Goldenface(sf) Cobalt Hen: Goldenface(sf) Violet(sf) Chick 1: Cobalt normal Chick 2: GF(sf)Sky Chick 3: GF(sf) Mauve. Chick 4: Cobalt ot Violet Sky Chick 5: Cobalt or Violet Sky Chick 6: GF(df) Violet In the picture below you will see 4 of the chicks. The oldest is outside the box and one of the normal blues is hiding under the others. From front to rear chick 6, 3, 5(hiding), 2, 4 This photos shows quite well the difference between single and double factor Goldenfaces when feathering up. I need to get somebody around to help get pics of these birds so I can show you better comparison between the single and double factors. You will see the single factor birds are already a bright yellow in the face.
  17. Yesterday I was out picking up a few things and the price of corn was such I decided to get a few cobs for the birds and one for me for lunch today whilst I watch Landline. Now that I decided to do this I had to go out make some cob hangers. Hunting around I finally found the coat hangers I knew I had. Took longer to find them than to make the cob hangers. Here are a couple of pics of them in action. These birds never having seen them before took fright when placed in the flights. There was this big no-go zone around the hanger for a few hours till some got game.
  18. Paul the pics where part of the article but I just didn't have time to get them copied over. As the Article is on Ken's 'Budgerigar Bible'CD and he has disabled right click selection I have to copy the pics in a different way. Then I have to transfer them to this computer and then upload to PB. Will try and get time this weekend. I did some pics of the birds here but lost them all and so have to take them again. Time is not my friend right now with all this studying and assignments to do.
  19. the normal looking chicks will also breed you all yf chicks when paired to a normal but im sure you knew that Thanks Dean and GB I thought the cock was a goldenface okay, so they are both mutant 1. In a different nest I have yellowface cock and normal sky hen, they have 1 yellowface chick and 3 normal. I thought yellow face was dominate over normal blue. Unless pics are posted we have no idea what type of yellowface they are. The white faced chicks could just be normal blues. Yellowface to a Normal Blue will give YF and Blue if the YF is single factored, which is the case of your pairings.
  20. It looks like this is your birds first moult. If so it could have a very mild form of french moult. Mild enough that it only lost tail feathers. Sometimes what comes along with this problem is excessive beak growth. The beak usually also appears thinner than usual and sometimes flaky in appearance. If this is so you will need to keep triming the beak. The tail feather may grow back.
  21. Not confirmed as Dusk's at this stage and it may take awhile as it is difficult to tell them apart from existing colours i.e. a Dusk Light Green looks like a Dark Green I have been told. The suspect birds labelled as Olive were paired to Light Greens. One pair bred and produced three chicks one died early. The other two feathered up and at this point another died not fed by the parent and looking closely at this bird the down was consistent with being a Feather Duster. This left one survivor an 'Olive' looking individual. Now an Olive x Light Green does not produce Olive young but rather 100% Dark Greens of which the suspect FD was definately one. There is Violet a couple of generations back which complicates things a bit. I have spoken at length with Ken Yorke as he has a fair bit of experience with them. I have also got onto Brian Turner the breeder of some the Clearwings Nubbly obtained. Trying to isolate the Dusk (if indeed it is there) will not be an easy feat due to the Violet factor being present. But where would the challenge be if it was easy. Brian and I also spoke of the Anthracite and if it was possible that it and Dusk are one and the same but unless both are bred in all basic colours the full story cannot be revealed. I am awaiting some info and pics from the UK. I will post the "My Funny Colours" article shortly. Here is the article. I have omitted the last paragraph with Paul's email address for privacy reasons. If anybody has any comments they can be directed to Paul via PM or post comment on this thread. My Funny Colours by Paul McCusker This article is on some birds that appeared in my aviary in the mid to late 1990's. They may be a new mutation or could be a variety that has not been seen in this country before. I'll let you come to your own conclusion. I first noticed there was something different when I bred a Light Green out of what I thought was an Olive Opaline in about 1997. I actually showed this bird as an Olive at the BSNSW Annual Show in 1998. The original *Olive (Funny Colour) was bred out of a Lutino Hen that was purchased from Barry Wise in 1995 and a 1995 Dark Green Opaline/Lutino that I had bred myself. The hen produced 22 chicks over a couple of different cocks. Only one of those was the Funny Colour. That original Opaline was lent to a mate who used him for a year and gave me a Lutino Hen and the *Olive cock back. I then had a bout of Coccidiosis go through the birds that nearly wiped me out. I purchased a Light Green Normal/Lutino and paired to the Lutino daughter and produced 2 *Olive cocks and 2 *Olive hens in amongst some Grey Greens and Lutinos. One of the Lutino's carried a brilliant yellow feather on it's rump and breast the colour I had not seen before. I believe this is carrying the *Olive colour with out the Grey Green base colour. I then paired a son of the Light Green Cock being a Dark Green Normal/Lutino to the Lutino daughter and produced 2 more *Olives, one of each sex. The next year I paired the Lutino daughter up to an Albino cock hoping to produce more Lutino' s and to my surprise I bred both Albino' s and Lutino's out of her. So now I knew she was split for blue so I thought I'll pair a Skyblue Cock up to her and see what I get. She hatched 6 chicks but with only 3 surviving my chances of getting a *Blue was low. I was lucky again as I got 1 *Blue Cinnamon hen and a *Olive hen and a Grey Opaline hen. This Blue Cinnamon Hen at first when feathering up looked like it may be a Violet but as it got older this only occurred on the rump, the breast of the bird looked like grey with blue splashes through it. Some people called it Mauve and some just didn 't know. The feathers on the breast of the *Blue hen were very strange with mostly grey and just the last 25% carrying the blue tips. I lost the old Lutino daughter last year due to cancer but not before producing another very good coloured Lutino cock. 2002 I paired 4 pair up with mixed results. Pair 1 was a half brother and sister both being *Olive's normal with the cock being split Lutino they over 2 rounds produced a Lutino hen and a Dark Green Normal/Lutino cock in the 1st round and only 1 hatched in the 2nd and it had splayed legs which I culled. With the hen only laying a very small clutch I'll probably pair the cock up to either another green hen or the *Blue Cinnamon hen I'll mention shortly. Pair 2 was an *Olive Normal cock that was a son of the previous pair from the previous year paired to a Cobalt Opaline/Recessive Pied hen. He only filled 3 eggs in 2 rounds but they all addled. So now he is resting. Pair 3 was a *Olive Normal hen to an unrelated Light Green Normal cock. She never laid so now she is in the aviary as well. Pair 4 was the *Blue Cinnamon Hen to an unrelated Sky Blue Normal/Recessive Pied Cock This was the jackpot pair as in the 1st round was 6 chicks, the 4 Skyblue Normals and 2 *Blue Normals. 1 of the *Blue's died at 3 1/2 weeks old. In the 2nd round she laid 10 eggs with 10 full and at the moment they are in about 5 or 6 different nests in my birdroom. There are about 10 chicks in varying stages of development but it looks like I may have a couple more in the nest. My mate who I lent the original *Olive to, Jim Stevenson, produced an *Olive Opaline hen as well which he kept and produced 4 *Olive Opaline /Lutino cocks which I' m not sure how they went. Another friend I gave a couple to was Brian Turner who is playing with them as well. The person who got me thinking they might be a mutation was Kelwyn Kakoschke when he visited our club in 1999. In my opinion they are a mutation but not a new colour but a colour modifier similar to the Violet. For all I know they might be a Slate or could be similar to a colour I read about in Budgerigar World called an Anthracite (I'm not sure of that spelling). ADMIN - It was not intended this article to be attached to my reply. Could it please be placed in its own little box. Then delete this flashy red request. Ta, thanks. [/b}
  22. Yup, currently got two of them. If you look very carefully you can tell by the tail.
  23. Hi and welcome Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here I do have an article I wrote a few years ago Titled My funny colours I will have to scratch around and try and find it. And post it on here. I don't have a lot of pics and getting them on here might take me a while 1st to dig them up and second to get them on here. I only have 2 Dusks at the moment and have never kept many as they are just a little thing to play around for me. That is why I gave a few to Brian Turner and maybe even Ken Yorke. Not sure now to ensure they grew in numbers and by the sounds of it they have. will try to dig up the article it goes pretty well bakee to the 1st bird I produced and at the time diddn't realise it was a mutation. Hi Paul, welcome to the BBC forum and I hope you enjoy your stay. As a past (but starting again)rare mutation breeder I am most interested in this mutation. I have a copy of your article and if you have trouble finding yours I would be happy to post with your permission. I have spoken to Ken Yorke about his mutation and he makes reference to it as the second dark factor. Ken has detailed the down colour as being a dull white. Do you agree with this? Of the people who you are aware that have this mutation do any of them breed Clearwings and may have possibly used the Dusk in them? The reason I ask is that I have a Clearwing here that originates from NBC and appears visuallyOlive. His father is stated as Olive and mother Light Green, but this would produce Dark Green, not Olive. I have paired this Olive to a Light Green Cinnamon hen, produced two chicks. On feathering up one appears to be a regualr Dark Green and the other looks like dad, Olive in colour. Again, if he was Olive and paired to a Light Green it should produce 100% Dark Greens. Will try and get some pics on weekend.
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