Koko Seems Sick...., What can I do? Options

[GenericBlue]

The medicine only seemed to help change her poops back to normal, but now they are all mushy and liquidy.

I'm not sure if the medicine is getting into her right, and now Kasper seems to be getting sick too. I think it is caused by her not consuming it right, if you read my above post you can read what she does.

I'll be calling the vets soon to book another appointment. I think another reason for these problems is because the syringe I am using is a bit too big. Would they have any needle points to had on to the syringe at the vets? Like one that isn't pointy, such as those ones on air pumps?

I'll be cleaning out her cage again tomorrow, is there anything that I should change for her to help comfort her?

Also, I asked the local vets if there were any certified avian vets around. They said that there might only be ONE 3 hours away. They also said that it might be closed down now.

I guess I'll have to hope for the best. If anyone can give me any advice, please do. Also, if you need to know any additional info, feel free to ask.

Thanks for the help!

you should of been useing a crop needle to feed meds if its ones you administer by mouth
sorry im not much help id say go back to vets
are birds insame cage ??

[Kassidy]

you should of been useing a crop needle to feed meds if its ones you administer by mouth
sorry im not much help id say go back to vets
are birds insame cage ??

They don't have crop needles, they are only normal vets.

Yes, I have an appointment tomorrow morning.

No, but they were in cages beside eachother since before she got sick, and they still are.

A little off the topic of Koko, Kasper seems to have red poops. It doesn't look like blood, but the poop part is all light red? He doesn't have any food or mineral blocks that are red, but Koko does. Koko was in with him, but would she be able to feed him any of that stuff? Oh, another thing that could possibly turn his poops red would be his pellets, but I'm not sure.....

Is there any pages that I can read up on crop needling or something on the FAQs or in any threads? I'll start searching in the forums now though.

And something else, Kasper got hurt. I was moving him out of his cage, and he flew off my finger to the floor, then he slid a little and got his foot stuck under a computer part. It happened really fast, but I ran over and lifted it for him to get out of. Then I carefully picked him up and put him into his cage, but I noticed he was lifting his foot off from the perch. He seemed okay, but then I noticed some blood on his leg, it seemed to stop bleeding. But he won't stay still for me to look at it and I don't want to stress him out by looking at it. I went back and felt the under the thing he got stuck in, but there wasn't anything sharp for him to get hurt on. Any suggestions? This was all my fault, and I feel so sorry for him.... and Koko, but I'll try to do my best to help them.

[joan and ray]

Oh, Koko and Kasper are having a rough trot.
I'm sorry I don't have anything to offer as I am new to budgies.
I will follow with interest and hope all goes well.

[Kassidy]

-Update-

Koko looks a bit better now. She isn't as puffed up or shaking anymore. But now I have to be careful, because I know how well they can hide illnesses.

I reasearched on crop needling, and it seems harsh, but I understand how important it is. I'll try practicing holding Koko the way these videos I found showed how to, but I didn't like how much he was shaking and waving the poor birds around. Here's the two videos I watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwuNJEQCW2g...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twNYPdd4Wuc...feature=related

Kasper is fine now, his leg is okay. No more bleeding, but still looks sick. I'll be going to the vets and asking for a tube for crop needling, but how big should it be?

Thanks for the help.

This post has been edited by Kassidy: Jul 28 2010, 09:39

[joan and ray]

-Update-

Koko looks a bit better now. She isn't as puffed up or shaking anymore. But now I have to be careful, because I know how well they can hide illnesses.

I reasearched on crop needling, and it seems harsh, but I understand how important it is. I'll try practicing holding Koko the way these videos I found showed how to, but I didn't like how much he was shaking and waving the poor birds around. Here's the two videos I watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwuNJEQCW2g...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twNYPdd4Wuc...feature=related

Kasper is fine now, his leg is okay. No more bleeding, but still looks sick. I'll be going to the vets and asking for a tube for crop needling, but how big should it be?

Thanks for the help.

That was very interesting to watch. Don't think I could do it though.

[Kassidy]

That was very interesting to watch. Don't think I could do it though.

Yea, me neither. But I guess if I have to, you gotta do what you gotta do. I've read that you get used to it after trying it a few times. I'm just scared I might mess up, and get it down her airway instead.

[rachelm]

Hope your little guy gets better soon. Just watched those 2 videos, very interesting. I think i'll go practice holding some birds today.

[Kassidy]

I tried holding her, HARD with big hands like mine.

Okay, going to go to the vets very soon. How big of a needle would you reccomend I ask for? If I get no replies, I guess I'll go with a 14 gauge? I read that in the crop needling part, maybe I should ask for a couple different sizes just in case. Wish us luck!

[Kassidy]

-Update 2-

I went to the vets today, and it went pretty well. We discussed a few possibilities as to what to do, and what could be causing them to be sick. I asked her if they had any of those tubes available, but she said they don't have any that are for crop needling.

Anyway, we ended up asking about the exotic vet she mentioned before. She said he stopped running his place, but she called a place anyway and got two different numbers of exotic veterinarians!

They are both about 3 hours away in a city, but we are going to head up there Friday and check it out. I hope the budgies don't stress about it too much. We are going to be staying over night so we are going to try to find a place that allows pets.

Wish us more luck!

[joan and ray]

Good luck for Friday. Hope all goes well and get results for Koko and Kasper.

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[Kassidy]

We didn't end up going that Friday, not yet. But I sent them an email talking about our situation. Their location is 3 hours away, so our food, gas for the car, and where we are going to stay if we stay overnight is going to add onto the cost of whatever it costs to bring them to the actual vet. We can't afford it right now at all, so for now I'm sending emails back and forth with them.

They have helped me out so far by trying to figure out what is the cause of them becoming sick. I put a de-humidifier in there to help them and Koko looked so much better! (She was puffed up more, I think it was too humid in there)

I'm still waiting for another email reply from them to see what else I can do, so what do you guys think I should do for now?

I still have some Baytril left, do you think I could use it? I'm sorry I can't bring them to the vets since we can't afford it, but we are trying to figure something out.

This post has been edited by Kassidy: Aug 13 2010, 11:04

[KAZ]

You ask for a 14 guage crop needle, and these can be bought online. Best you get shown how to use one by a vet though.