Guest eterri Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) This is taken from a post in a parrot community. The actual recipe is from Gloria at Whitewing Farms. Homemade Healthy Budgie Grain/Seed Mix I know on parrot_lovers people have talked about making their own seed/grain mix by getting stuff at Whole Foods or similar stores. Here's a recipe for such a mix... Make your own Budgie grain/seed mix: 1 part Quinoa 1 part hulled yellow Millet 1 part safflower seed 1 part Canary Seed 1 part thistle seed 1 part red proso 1 part white proso 2 parts oat groats 1 part amaranth 1 part flax seed Mix them all together and there you go. Happy and very HEALTHY budgies. Now this, incombination with a "Bouquet Salade" wired or clipped daily inside their house.....you have provided an EXCELLENT budgie diet. -Gloria at Whitewings Farm I'll add that budgies should get equal portions of a good seed mix and a good pellet as well as healthy veggies (high in vitamin A). Legumes are great to offer and there are many cooked mixes on the market now. Wheatgrass is another very nutritious food that you can offer a few times a week. Basically, they need a large variety of healthy foods in order to get everything they need. Feeding budgies properly is no simple matter (unfortunately). ADDED TO FAQ Edited September 1, 2008 by Elly Link to comment
Guest Lin Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Sounds excellent. Haven't heard of some of those seeds, but I'll do a google search and see if we call them something different Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 me too lin, sounds healthy though. Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) I looked into this mix a bit more just to see what makes each seed "valuable." Unfortunately, the woman who originally posted it has recently passed away. She also believed that this along with greens was enough for a complete diet and was against pellets. I'm going to ask around the group (feeding feathers) to see if anyone knows why she was against pellets but I felt I should mention that because it bothered me that in my first post I pretty much undermined what she believed as far as pellets go. From what *I* have read and what *I* have researched, I would not take pellets out of the diet. Even if this seed mix provides everything pellets do (and I hope to find this out) you can't be sure that your birds are really eating every little type of seed. If they only pick a few favorites, they aren't getting the full benefit from the mix no matter how "complete" it is. I just wanted to point that out because I felt really bad for adding something that Gloria didn't particularly believe in. I'll see what else I can find out, including if any non-Americans have found the equivalent of those seeds and know the names. Which ones have you never heard of? Edited December 31, 2005 by eterri Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2005 let me know if you need help, I looked the ingredents up and found websites. Proso is a millet Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Thanks lovey. I've heard of all the things listed in the recipe but if you can find different names for some of them that would be great. This is probably going to be looong but I found a breakdown of what certain grains provide to birds. This is also by Gloria of Whitewings Farms and I'm copying it straight from her article in Feeding Feathers. Grains and Some of Their Nutritional Attributes Organic Amaranth Amaranth is truly a ‘wild’ grain. Unhybridized, totally unique. It is filling, warming and energizing. It smells like corn with a woodsy taste. It will store safely up to a year in a cool dry place. The protein content is unusually high, riding at 18 percent. It also carries high levels of one of the most vital of amino acids, IE: Lysine. There is Iron, calcium in greater amounts than in most grains, as well as higher levels of oil and twice the fiber of wheat. The germ of the miniscule seed head of this grain and the seed coat contain high levels of vitamins, particularly E, along with minerals, protein, oil and fiber, with the germ holding almost all the oil of the protein. Organic Buckwheat/Kasha Buckwheat, or the toasted version called Kasha, is high in calcium and B-complex vitamins. Kasha is wonderful to serve to the feathers as a dry cereal sprinkled alone or as an ‘added to’ with seed/grain mixes. Regular Buckwheat can be ground into flour or purchased as such to add to bird breads or muffins. Buckwheat is NOT related to wheat in any way, but is actually a member of the Broccoli family of veggies. Organic Quinoa Pronounced “KEEN-wah” this is a fairly newly discovered ‘grain’ that many nutritionists are recommending because of its great nutritional profile, and it’s somewhat nutty distinctive/unusual flavor. Quinoa contains high quality, easy to digest protein, calcium, iron and the B vitamins. Organic Kamut Grain This is a strain of wheat that has not been cross-bred or hybridized as has traditional wheat. It is a large golden kernel, and comes to us from Egypt. This natural wheat has been used quite successfully for some who have wheat allergies. Kamut runs to about 18% protein and is loaded with calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and potassium along with niacin and vitamin E. It carries ALL the vitamins and minerals within it, but those are the biggies. It is also high in Lipids and amino acids. Organic Hulled Millet Very easy to digest, this is a healing grain, highly alkaline and can help an acidic system level out or become alkaline. It is rich in amino acids, phosphorus, the B vitamins and protein. Organic Spelt Spelt's uniqueness is derived from its genetic makeup and nutrition profile. Spelt has high water solubility, making the nutrients contained more available to the body. Spelt contains special carbohydrates, (Mucopolysaccharides), which are an important factor in blood clotting and stimulating the body's immune system. It is also a superb fiber resource and has large amounts of B complex vitamins. Total protein content is from 10 to 25% greater than the common varieties of commercial wheat. Organic Rye Berries Rye Berries are higher in protein, phosphorus, iron, and potassium than wheat. They are also high in lysine, low in gluten, high in fiber. Presoak and sprout, presoak and cook, or add soaked, cooked, or dry to bird bread batters. Combines well with other grains for an extra little fillip. Tastes very well when combined with tomatoes…… Buckwheat Nutritionally, buckwheat is close to wheat in its components, though it is not a wheat at all. Rather it is a cereal grain and contains no gluten. For people who struggle with wheat allergies and gluten intolerance, buckwheat is ideal. This grain has plenty of protein and B vitamins and is rich in phosphorus, potassium, iron, and calcium. Oat Groats Oat groats are whole oat kernels, cleaned and toasted. They contain nearly all the original nutrition of the grain, providing more protein than most other grains. Oat groats are much softer than wheat berries and can be eaten as a hot cereal or used as a base for salads or sprouting. Ground into flour, uncooked groats lend a pleasant, sweet taste to breads. They contain no gluten, however, and must be blended with other flours to make yeast breads. In addition, oats are very easy to sprout, and their sprouts are even higher in protein and B vitamins than the whole grain itself. Oats contain a natural preservative that helps them to keep longer than most grains. Store in a cool, dry place in an airtight container. Couscous Couscous is a form of wheat pasta used in North Africa where it is served with meat, vegetables, or fruit. Use it as a breakfast cereal or a cooking substitute for rice. Whole-wheat cous-cous is far richer in B vitamins, riboflavin, niacin, minerals, and fiber than white couscous. Organic Short Grain Brown Rice Rice is rich in fiber, low in sodium, and free of fat and cholesterol. It’s composed of almost 80% complex carbohydrates with only a little protein, Phosphorus, and potassium. Brown Rice of all varieties contains more vitamins because the bran layer, which contains most of the vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fiber, is stripped from the rice kernel in polishing. If anyone is interested in a similar seed mix recipe for cockatiels, one was posted yesterday that I'd be happy to share. You can use the one from the first post for cockatiels as well but the tiel-specific one sounds good. Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 well i hadnt heard of amaranth or proso, then i realised that proso is actually millet i think ive found a site that sells some of the grains in the list. does it take a while for budgies to convert to this seed recipe? Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 The biggest problem is getting them to eat every part of the mix. I'm thinking that in a way, it might be better to purchase each seed/grain separately and introduce them individually. That won't keep them from picking favorites in the end but it might help to let you know that they *will* eat each part of the mix. If they won't eat it when it's all mixed together you could try offering the least favorite seeds/grains in a birdie bread or something. Of course, if you're feeding pellets with it, it's not that big of a deal. You'll know that they're getting a good quality seed mix and that even if they're picky with it, they're getting a lot of nutrition from the pellets too. Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 yes that sounds like the best way to to it. i think i will give it a go! it certainly does sound healthier than what you find in trill, you can buy the grains in large quantities and its fairly cheap too, the mix should last for quite a while i would have thought. is there a link where other people have tried this and said how well it goes down eterri? Link to comment
Guest Lin Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I know really large breeders of finches provide all seeds in seperate containers. I don't know how they ensure that they eat a good range, but they don't use a mix Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 You know what I find most interesting (annoying) about having pet birds? It's the fact that the moment you think you know what you're talking about, someone says something that makes you think otherwise. I've found nothing at all bad with this seed mix though, I think it's an awesome thing to try and feed your birds. The opposition came up when I asked some questions about pellets. There were some good arguments against them but only if the arguments are true. When I find out more, I'll post and I think we'll all find it incredibly interesting. The basic point is that some feel pellets are too high in protein to be offered to the smaller birds on a daily basis. I haven't seen any real research but I'll be looking into it. All I can say right now is that my head hurts. It seemed like they meant a pellet-based diet, as in offering more pellets than seed. And that HAS been linked to renal failure so I'm not sure if this is what they meant or not. If so, I wish they'd just come out and say it, you know? Don't go on an anti-something spree without providing enough information for people to see exactly WHY it's so bad. Because I've spent a lot of time converting birds to pellets (not to mention a lot of money). Anyhow, concerning this seed mix, lovey has PM'ed me with several links that further explain each grain/seed and I'll be posting those later today. They really give you an in-depth look at the benefits of each aspect of this seed mix. lovey said she likes research and she's also very good at it. Alsooo the 'tiel mix I mentioned before? Apparently it's also VERY good for budgies. I have a feeling it will be similar to this one though so I'll have a look and then post what I find. When are they going to just make budgie kibble??? Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 i look forward to reading it Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I know Terri is going to post websites, I did e-mail the people at http://www.quinoa.com to find out where you can get this overseas. You can check out their site for more information. Here is there response. I'm sure you can find quinoa everywhere. We do not sell to Europe, but there are other companies that do. We do have a distributor in Australia, Kadac PTY located in Cheltenham, Victoria. Best regards, Linda/Customer Service Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) This is some of the information that lovey PM'ed to me. It's very helpful if you're curious about each part of the mix. (Thank you lovey! ) 1 part Quinoa - http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/food...1523,74,00.html 1 part hulled yellow Millet http://www.all-creatures.org/recipes/i-millet-yellow.html 1 part safflower seed http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/safflower.html 1 part Canary Seed 1 part thistle seed *different types of thistle seed" http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/natres/03102.html or http://www.birdsforever.com/niger.html 1 part red proso http://www.shawcreekbirdsupply.com/seed_red_millet.htm or http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/plantsci/crops/a805w.htm 1 part white proso same as above website 2 parts oat groats http://www.purcellmountainfarms.com/Organi...at%20Groats.htm 1 part Amaranth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaranth 1 part flax seed http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent....&chunkiid=21714 Also, it's looking like the anti-pellet argument has to do with a diet that is nearly all pellets which we already know is bad. I'll have more information a.s.a.p. Edited January 3, 2006 by eterri Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 im having a really hard time trying to find a supplier online that sells *all* of the grains in the list. i have found one that sells quinoa, yellow millet, amaranth and oats groats but cant find any of the other ingredients. its a shame because it sounds great. Link to comment
Guest eterri Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 That's a shame. I'll see if anyone on the list has any suggestions. Maybe there are people who have had the same issue. Link to comment
Featheredpets 0 Posted January 8, 2006 Member ID: 1,464 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 599 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,455 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/08/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 29, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Yum Link to comment
Guest phil_doc Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) Hey there, i'm currently trying to fund UK suppliers for the recipie above. Any help would be very much appreciated Pixie, would you b able to give me that URL please? I don't mind buying from various suppliers... Phil Edited January 16, 2006 by phil_doc Link to comment
Guest pixie25 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/...t/sect/FCG.html if you find any more of the ingredients let me know because i still am very interested in making this mix. it could get quite expensive with all the postage costs from different sites though. Link to comment
Angela_kwon7355 0 Posted July 12, 2017 Member ID: 8,441 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 1 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 On 31/12/2005 at 7:54 AM, Guest eterri said: This is taken from a post in a parrot community. The actual recipe is from Gloria at Whitewing Farms. Homemade Healthy Budgie Grain/Seed Mix I know on parrot_lovers people have talked about making their own seed/grain mix by getting stuff at Whole Foods or similar stores. Here's a recipe for such a mix... Make your own Budgie grain/seed mix: 1 part Quinoa 1 part hulled yellow Millet 1 part safflower seed 1 part Canary Seed 1 part thistle seed 1 part red proso 1 part white proso 2 parts oat groats 1 part amaranth 1 part flax seed Mix them all together and there you go. Happy and very HEALTHY budgies. Now this, incombination with a "Bouquet Salade" wired or clipped daily inside their house.....you have provided an EXCELLENT budgie diet. -Gloria at Whitewings Farm I'll add that budgies should get equal portions of a good seed mix and a good pellet as well as healthy veggies (high in vitamin A). Legumes are great to offer and there are many cooked mixes on the market now. Wheatgrass is another very nutritious food that you can offer a few times a week. Basically, they need a large variety of healthy foods in order to get everything they need. Feeding budgies properly is no simple matter (unfortunately). ADDED TO FAQ Thanks for this recipe It helped a lot ❤️ my budgies are very thankful Link to comment
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