TaniaOK 0 Posted March 19, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hello everybody, just wanted to share the pics about my rare mutation bird. He's a GF Violet Cobalt Feather Duster. I know that these birds don't live for long, but I decided to do my best to give him the opportunity to live as long as possible. March, 11 I got a new pet. His mother pecked his nape and pecked his sister up to the death. It was dangerous to leave his with his parents, and the owner offered me this babybird (he was 17 day at that moment). He's very cute and touching. He tried to eat the grains by himself but they were evacuated without digestion. I started crop feeding each 3 hours. March, 15 (3 weeks) March, 16 (22 days) March, 18 (24 days) «Punished» March, 19 (25 days) Link to comment
corzstunt 0 Posted March 20, 2012 Member ID: 6,891 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 880 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 31/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 21, 2012 Birthday: 19/11/1998 Share Posted March 20, 2012 What a cutie, you have done a good thing, giving him a chance Link to comment
Kaitlyn 0 Posted March 20, 2012 Member ID: 6,917 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 73 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/09/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 4, 2012 Birthday: 26/04/1991 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It is great of you to give him a chance Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 20, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) They dont love long unfortunately BUT some live longer than others and I hope yours does too. Here's the story of one of mine http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=29737&view=findpost&p=355851&hl=%2Bfeather+%2Bduster&fromsearch=1 You may learn something from that topic that may help you. There's a lot of people that euthanase them immediately its obvious what they are. It seems a heartless thing to do on face value but its also understandable when so many of these people have had the experience of them dying not long after leaving the nest. They are trying to save the poor creature any pain and suffering. Hardest thing is keeping enough food up to them to sustain the excessive growth of feathers. Edited March 20, 2012 by **KAZ** Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted March 20, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 corzstunt, Kaitlyn, **KAZ**, thank you. They dont love long unfortunately BUT some live longer than others and I hope yours does too. Here's the story of one of mine http://forums.budgie...er&fromsearch=1 You may learn something from that topic that may help you. **KAZ**, I've already read your thread about Dusty. Yes, it's very useful. Dusty was a nice cute bird. Also I've read the article of Stephen Fowler (http://forums.budgie...showtopic=23257). They are trying to save the poor creature any pain and suffering. Certianly I don't want him to suffer. If I see that he feels an excessive pain I may take the hard decision. But for the present he looks absolutely happy and behaves as any usual young bird does. He plays with toys, runs along the playing ground, preens. No sign of any pain or discomfort. Hardest thing is keeping enough food up to them to sustain the excessive growth of feathers. For the present (he's 26 days old now) I continue crop feeding, but he also tries to eat grains.I give him spray millet, steamed oats, and usual seed mix as well. Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted March 20, 2012 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Best of luck with him, he certainly seems like a sweetie! What a funny photo, it really does look as though he was sent to the Time Out Corner! «Punished» Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted March 24, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 Finnie, thank you 30 days We're perching very well And already starting to molt: Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted March 25, 2012 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted March 25, 2012 It's sad they are such short lived little birds, they certainly have something about them, that tugs the old heart strings don't they. Hope you have him for some time yet. Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted March 25, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 Thank you, robyn, I hope so too Yesterday he lost all his flights He's a month old now. I know that the feather of FD is growing constantly, but I did not expect such a severe and early molting.. Is this normal for FD?.. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 25, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I know that the feather of FD is growing constantly, but I did not expect such a severe and early molting.. Is this normal for FD?.. no......................WAIT AND SEE...........ITS POSSIBLE HE ALSO HAS FRENCH MOULT BUT TIME WILL TELL ON THAT ONE Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted March 25, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 **KAZ**, thank you. French molt?? Well, my first thought was that it's better for him, because the less feathers the FD has, the easier for him to live, it seems to me But is the French molt dangerous for other birds? I have 14 budgerigars (FerDinand is the 15th), and all of them stay in one room. There were not many contacts between them, but still some of them come to his cage and even touch his feathers.. Here is some video of his walkings on his playing ground: http://video.yandex....rieux/view/192/ Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 2, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'm looking for the information about FD on the Internet, and I've found that it's advised to trim the facial feathers in order the bird to be able to see better. I see, that my FerDinand has troubles because of long facial feathers and I'd like to help him. But the story of Stephen Fowler (he cut the facial feahters and the bird died) scares me.. What do you think, if this was just a coincidence, or it's really dangerous to trim the facial feathers? And why? How can trimming affect the question about the live and death?? Some pics (1 month and 7 days) Playing with some toy: http://video.yandex....rieux/view/195/ Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 2, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I didnt trim the feathers of mine at all and she coped fine. Trimming may cause the bird to have to replace the trimmed ones sooner and they are already under enough strain in the feather production area already........my thoughts only. Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 2, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 Trimming may cause the bird to have to replace the trimmed ones sooner and they are already under enough strain in the feather production area already........my thoughts only. **KAZ**, thank you for the asnwer! I'm thinking about trimming just a part of the facial feathers, not the whole feather. Do you think, that the genes "understand" that the part is trimmed and make it grow faster? FerDinand copes quite well, but I see that his vision is limited with his facial feathers. I think, it'll be easier for him to see all around with shorter ones.. Link to comment
Twisted 0 Posted April 2, 2012 Member ID: 6,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,110 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 27, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I would trim them a little bit. Trimmed Feathers wont grow..I have a FD just a little older than yours.. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 3, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Trimmed feather do regrow..................why do you think some budgie breeders trim a tail feather so it dies and drops out in enough time to regrow another ready for the nationals ? Not all breeders will pull a tail feather in case it damages the feather follicle and then wont regrow. To say a trimmed feather wont regrow is sheer nonsense. Sure they wont grow longer like hair does but they will die and need to replacement and replacing feathers isnt what a FD needs to be doing more than it has to. Under normal circumstances a cut feather dies and drops out and then needs replacing. That would create an extra toll on a duster. Even a blind budgie can find its food and water, so a duster will be able to as well. I think trimming feathers is something people do to feel better about the bird and may not be whats best for them. Even like this Dusty could still see me coming from 12 feet away. Edited April 3, 2012 by **KAZ** Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 3, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 I would trim them a little bit. Trimmed Feathers wont grow..I have a FD just a little older than yours.. Twisted, how old is your FD? Can you show his (her) picture? Do you trim his (her) feathers regularly? Under normal circumstances a cut feather dies and drops out and then needs replacing. That would create an extra toll on a duster. **KAZ**, thank you for your explanations! I guess, I don't know well the process of feather growth, but I still don't understand, why it will be extra loading? FD genes make the feather grow constantly. If some feathers are lost, the process will continue. If some feathers are trimmed - they will fall out? Immedialtelly after trimming? Or they will remain for some time on the head? Or they will continue to grow even trimmed ones? When exactly this extra loading appears? I think trimming feathers is something people do to feel better about the bird and may not be whats best for them. Unfortunately there is no way to learn from the birds, what is the best for them. I guess, that a wild bird even with unusual appearance is "prepared" for its life by the Nature. But such birds, like FD, who are the result of human actions, are unlikely "prepared" well for their lives. Certainly we have the wish to make their lives easier and more comfortable. But it's so difficult to realize, what is better for them and what can make worse.. Dusty was such a cute bird! Link to comment
Twisted 0 Posted April 3, 2012 Member ID: 6,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,110 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 27, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I said trimmed feathers won't grow ..Not regrow when fallen out... .. When I trim vent feathers I can breed for the season without needing to trim again. When I have plucked in the past I need to do it again between rounds. People trim flight feathers to stop their pets from flying away. Usually they will grow back after the bird has moulted. ( this is my opinion anyway ). Reason that I trimmed my FD was that Feathers were growing back into the eyes making them very weepy. and also the poop was getting clagged up around the vent area. I will take a picture of my FD TaniaOK and post it here. It is around 3 months old and doing quite well. I have not had the need to trim this bird as feathers are not causing it any problems as yet. Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 4, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 Reason that I trimmed my FD was that Feathers were growing back into the eyes making them very weepy. and also the poop was getting clagged up around the vent area. Twisted, I see, you already had the experience with FD? Can you tell about that? I will take a picture of my FD TaniaOK and post it here. It is around 3 months old and doing quite well. I have not had the need to trim this bird as feathers are not causing it any problems as yet. Thank you I'm looking forward to Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 15, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 Our news New feathers on his nape have almost grown Sleeping near the feeder: A very important piece of news – he has a new house: He sleeps often here: He eats mostly "Tropical finches Prestige". Now he is 1 month 20 days old. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 15, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 15, 2012 looking fantastic and love the new cage. You take beautiful photos Link to comment
splat 0 Posted April 15, 2012 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted April 15, 2012 You have done a great job with him, I also love the cage and I had a giggle at the playground , dinning room and bedroom so cute. Link to comment
Twisted 0 Posted April 21, 2012 Member ID: 6,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,110 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 27, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hi how is Ferdinand going....Here is a picture of my FD. Around 2 to 3 months old and very happy. Link to comment
TaniaOK 0 Posted April 21, 2012 Member ID: 6,572 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 395 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 **KAZ**, splat, thank you very much for your comments Twisted, thank you very much for the picture Your FD looks very cute! He/she is GF like mine? My FerDinand is going very well, he's active, plays much on the playing ground with toys. He mostly walks with his head bent to the floor, I think, it's because he can hardly see around. And how does your FD walks? Sleeps? What he/she eats? Mine often sleeps like this, with his head on the floor: Yesterday he climbed on the perch and slept there all the night long (the first time like this): Link to comment
robyn 0 Posted April 21, 2012 Member ID: 5,241 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,887 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10,750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19, 2018 Birthday: 21/12/1946 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Lovely pics guys, Both doing well. While on subject of F.D. is it known, say if you get one chick in a clutch, are you likely to get more from that pairing or is it just a one time thing that can pop up or is it "Parent has to have the gene" type of thing. Link to comment
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