Amy S 0 Posted February 18, 2011 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Oh The breeder said she was a Melanistic DF. I myself have no idea how to check as she is a DF - do you know? Then I can check and let you know Link to comment
hilly 0 Posted February 18, 2011 Member ID: 5,144 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 267 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 20, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Lovely birds Amy, I love opaline spangles they are always so pretty. I think in regards to the melenistic spangles I remember seeing some photos of young ones posted here and they almost look normal in nest feather then mature to a spangle pattern, but I have never had anything to do with them and haven't seen one in the flesh [feather ] lol. Cheers Jenny Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted February 18, 2011 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) once DF it is impossible as all the markings are gone. I don't have any DF myself but i believed the DF melanistic spangle had some colour all over their body. I will search to see if I can find Daz's pictures of his. Hilly is right the babies have normal wings markings and a spangle tail when in baby feathers and the slowly moult into the more normal spangle look. It only hit me when i was looking at these last lot of pictures that you stated mum was a M.spangle, i had to check her out as i was surprised she won a place in a show as i heard show breeders didn't like this mutation. here is the DF M spangle from Daz: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darrylw/1W002.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darrylw/PR-1W026.jpg I believe both are being called DF M.Sangle link to topic http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=15339&st=0&p=178486&hl=+melanistic%20+spangles&fromsearch=1entry178486 Edited February 18, 2011 by *Nerwen* Link to comment
clearwing 0 Posted February 18, 2011 Member ID: 5,830 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/01/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 7, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The melanistic spangle is interesting, I remember years ago Mr Bryce Grinlington [ who was the first top breeder to be sold spangles by Merv jones, who first bred them ] produced these spangles in numbers, he called them grizzled spangles. No-one took much notice of them and they were penalized heavily on the show bench as having the wrong markings. Now that they have re-amerged everyone wants them. When we first took the spangle birds to be recognized as a variety, I remember having discussions with many of our top breeders at the time, I told them "we don't yet know what this variety is capable of, as it was produced in a colony breeding environment and has many varieties in its background including Danish Pieds and Greywings." Cheers Clearwing Link to comment
*Nerwen* 0 Posted February 19, 2011 Member ID: 5,064 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,817 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 20/02/1982 Share Posted February 19, 2011 yeah a know pieds were a big part of the early breeding. i like the term grizzled spangles - suit the way the gene works. but Melanistic has been used Link to comment
Amy S 0 Posted February 19, 2011 Member ID: 5,666 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 601 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,375 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1, 2022 Birthday: 23/04/1982 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 once DF it is impossible as all the markings are gone. I don't have any DF myself but i believed the DF melanistic spangle had some colour all over their body. I will search to see if I can find Daz's pictures of his. Hilly is right the babies have normal wings markings and a spangle tail when in baby feathers and the slowly moult into the more normal spangle look. It only hit me when i was looking at these last lot of pictures that you stated mum was a M.spangle, i had to check her out as i was surprised she won a place in a show as i heard show breeders didn't like this mutation. here is the DF M spangle from Daz: http://i8.photobucke...rrylw/1W002.jpg http://i8.photobucke...lw/PR-1W026.jpg I believe both are being called DF M.Sangle link to topic http://forums.budgie...=1 Would her blue suffusion contribute to the DF M Spangle look at all? Maybe like a poorly marked M DF? :wacko:It's all a bit confusing still. She did have another baby that was born but died - I'll have to check my photos but from memory it was starting to feather up normally. I'll try her again when it's a bit cooler and she's in condition and see what happens. Looking at the second photo reminds me of my hen - in certain light she gets quite blue, except for her head and wings. The melanistic spangle is interesting, I remember years ago Mr Bryce Grinlington [ who was the first top breeder to be sold spangles by Merv jones, who first bred them ] produced these spangles in numbers, he called them grizzled spangles. No-one took much notice of them and they were penalized heavily on the show bench as having the wrong markings. Now that they have re-amerged everyone wants them. When we first took the spangle birds to be recognized as a variety, I remember having discussions with many of our top breeders at the time, I told them "we don't yet know what this variety is capable of, as it was produced in a colony breeding environment and has many varieties in its background including Danish Pieds and Greywings." Cheers Clearwing Interesting information, thank you Clearwing. I have been reading and re-reading articles written by Jeff Attwood, Barrie Shutt, the threads and posts on here and other websites. Link to comment
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