**KAZ** 0 Posted March 23, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) Is this the same bird with the one yellow/black feather in amongst the white/black feathers... ?No JB ....where's the wing photos you said you would post with the updates ? Alpaca...............she has scalyface.........you need to treat her Edited March 23, 2010 by KAZ Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted March 23, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted March 23, 2010 yes defenently got scaley face and im not touching on the mutation lol looks olive to me cinnamon need picture of whole bird frount and back to even go near yf or not Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 The wings are the same as originally --- normal wing markings, but cinnamon and yellow. Does any one know what mutation please??? OH NOOOOOO SCALEY FACE?????? WHAT IS THIS ... can someone please help me!!! how do i treat it?? how does it happen? is it infectious???? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 24, 2010 The wings are the same as originally --- normal wing markings, but cinnamon and yellow. Does any one know what mutation please??? OH NOOOOOO SCALEY FACE?????? WHAT IS THIS ... can someone please help me!!! how do i treat it?? how does it happen? is it infectious???? Use the search function or faq section..........scalyface has been covered to death on this forum I mentioned the wings photo because you said you would post them. Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 oh sorry KAZ i dont remember, must have forgotten well here are they wings so whats the verdict, im going to look at scaley face on FAQs now thanks for the tip =] alpaca-boy Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Has to be YF cinnamon mauve I think..........blue tail is a dead give away. Not grey green at all Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 Has to be YF cinnamon mauve I think..........blue tail is a dead give away. Not grey green at all but dont all wild green budgies have navy blue tails??? thats what i thought and just another piece of info which might help, she has purple cheek patches now?? does that mean anything?? and if she were to be a yf cinnamon mauve why is she predominately green especially when i got her and she was only 8-10 weeks old that is too early for moulting and suffusion of yellow isnt it? Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Your original photos showed a bird in baby feather. As I have already said in your other post these baby feather do not show the full depth of colour. Green youngsters will always show a degree of blue in the body feather. Your bird is NOT yellowface. It is a Cinnamon in either Dark Green or Olive. You correct on the tail in the wild birds, they do indeed have blue tails. If she had had a black tail she would have been a Grey Green. Cheek patches are a guide also, Violet in the Light, Dark, Olive Green and Sky, Cobalt and Mauve. Grey Greens and Greys have grey ones. Some varieties are white but I will not go into that on this thread. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Your original photos showed a bird in baby feather. As I have already said in your other post these baby feather do not show the full depth of colour. Green youngsters will always show a degree of blue in the body feather. Your bird is NOT yellowface. It is a Cinnamon in either Dark Green or Olive. You correct on the tail in the wild birds, they do indeed have blue tails. If she had had a black tail she would have been a Grey Green. Cheek patches are a guide also, Violet in the Light, Dark, Olive Green and Sky, Cobalt and Mauve. Grey Greens and Greys have grey ones. Some varieties are white but I will not go into that on this thread. I would so totally listen to this lady she knows what she is saying Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Your original photos showed a bird in baby feather. As I have already said in your other post these baby feather do not show the full depth of colour. Green youngsters will always show a degree of blue in the body feather. Your bird is NOT yellowface. It is a Cinnamon in either Dark Green or Olive. You correct on the tail in the wild birds, they do indeed have blue tails. If she had had a black tail she would have been a Grey Green. Cheek patches are a guide also, Violet in the Light, Dark, Olive Green and Sky, Cobalt and Mauve. Grey Greens and Greys have grey ones. Some varieties are white but I will not go into that on this thread. I would so totally listen to this lady she knows what she is saying Awww shucks. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted March 24, 2010 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) i second that rip is the mutation master when it comes to yf type anything i say olive then i knew it wasnt yf though Your original photos showed a bird in baby feather. As I have already said in your other post these baby feather do not show the full depth of colour. Green youngsters will always show a degree of blue in the body feather. Your bird is NOT yellowface. It is a Cinnamon in either Dark Green or Olive. You correct on the tail in the wild birds, they do indeed have blue tails. If she had had a black tail she would have been a Grey Green. Cheek patches are a guide also, Violet in the Light, Dark, Olive Green and Sky, Cobalt and Mauve. Grey Greens and Greys have grey ones. Some varieties are white but I will not go into that on this thread. I would so totally listen to this lady she knows what she is saying Awww shucks. Edited March 24, 2010 by GenericBlue Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted April 26, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Hi i was once again wondering what colour she is. as she has now fully completed her moult, and i think she is either light green or olive green i will include a couple of recent pictures. what do you all think?? thanks in advance, A-B. Link to comment
Houman 0 Posted April 26, 2010 Member ID: 5,901 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 388 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,097 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 28, 2020 Birthday: 01/01/1994 Share Posted April 26, 2010 (edited) i dont know jack about genetics but thats a pretty budgie, my guess though is light green Edited April 26, 2010 by Houman Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted April 27, 2010 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2010 (edited) Was this our "YF Cinnamon Mauve" discussion from before A-B? She still looks to me to be cinnamon green but not a light green. I'd pitch for Cinnamon Dark Green based on her cheek patches. If she were olive I'd have expected darker violet cheek patches and she strikes me as not quite grey green looking enough now that she has moulted out. She still looks like she has a few baby feathers to moult out from her chest though.... It'd be great tp follow this story through with a test mating. If you pair her in the future would you post up the results? Edited April 27, 2010 by nubbly5 Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted April 27, 2010 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Bloody ***! I argue BLACK AND BLUE that this bird is NOT a yf. GB too argued the same but noooooo RIP comes along and hey presto so long as she says no yf it's not a yf. Nubbly goes away grumbling........................ :emoticon112: Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted April 27, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 (edited) Was this our "YF Cinnamon Mauve" discussion from before A-B? She still looks to me to be cinnamon green but not a light green. I'd pitch for Cinnamon Dark Green based on her cheek patches. If she were olive I'd have expected darker violet cheek patches and she strikes me as not quite grey green looking enough now that she has moulted out. She still looks like she has a few baby feathers to moult out from her chest though.... It'd be great tp follow this story through with a test mating. If you pair her in the future would you post up the results? Yes nubbaly this is that same discussion. so a dark green, see that the thing is, i thought it was definately not d/green, i thought it must be olive or light as it doesn't have that emerald green intensity that d/greens have?? i will try get some new pictures in good light! umm definately. i will definately post a breeding journal, i am so excited to do so. it will be my first time breeding. but i have to wait til the end of the year as they are still young, i have to wait for Alfalfas cere to go brown and crusty that means she is ready right? and then i will put in the breeding box! :emoticon112: but if i do breed her will that give us extra info on her colouring the bird that i am pairing her with "mortimer" is a cobalt blue, y/f not sure which one i think ty2, and he is opaline, i think as he had blue on his back before, but as you can see in the picture on page 2 of this forum he has lost it?? dooes anyone know why? thanks alpaca boy Edited April 27, 2010 by alpaca-boy Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 27, 2010 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 27, 2010 i have to wait for Alfalfas cere to go brown and crustythat means she is ready right? Not exactly. Brown and crusty is generally considered going past breeding condition. Light to medium brown is better as it will see them through. Dark brown and crusty is the later stage when it peels away to reveal white and blue underneath which is out of breeding condition. Also wait for age of 12 months but you know that...right Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted April 27, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 yes kaz i know, i1 year, before start breeding. i got alfalfa on the 12th of december so that is when i am going to start trying. as she was atleast 8 weeks then. so by that time she will be over a year old. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted April 28, 2010 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2010 A-B the issue you have is that cinnamon affects the intensity of the green. I have bred many cinnamon dark greens and a few cinnamon olives and they ae quite hard to tell apart. In that respect we could all take a stab at it and it'd probably be a 50:50 chance. Breeding her will give you the dark factor results. Also to me she just isn't quite grey green enough to be an olive but then like I said, they can be a bit tricky to tell apart in the cinnamon version. Link to comment
alpaca-boy 0 Posted May 1, 2010 Member ID: 5,785 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,225 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 15/12/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 15, 2013 Birthday: 08/08/1992 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 ah ha! you are right! thanks nubbaly :fingerscrossed: why didnt i think of that, the cinnamon decreases the intensity of the chest feathers! so then i dark green would look like a light green, but not quite, therefore giving the colour that alfalfa has! we have solved the mystery so i have a cobalt boy and a dark green girl, what colours could i get from this?? only dark green and cobalt ?? or could i get sky blue, light green, cobalt and dark green?? PS: i should have figured that out, as i posted a topice on a powder blue, and people replied saying it was a sky blur and the cinnamon had diluted the colour on its chest. oh well there you go. so alfalfa is a normal dark green, with cinnamon wings and mortimer .. well i need help on that, if anyone care too its under "opaline or not opaline?" but i know he a cobalt, pied and split for opaline. what pairs could i posssibly get?? from thes two? Link to comment
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