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Ivermectin Treatment for Budgies

 

 

It seems there is a huge amount of confusion about Ivermectin treatment for budgies as well as different products available and much misunderstanding about which ones are appropriate for use.

 

Ivermectin (the active ingredient in many different products including Ivomec) is highly affective in the treatment of both internal and external parasites in many different animals. Knowing which "mectin" product to use seems to be the hard part.

 

There are many different brands of ivermectin-based products (or products that contain actives of the same "mectin" family) and there are even a few different versions of some of the brands. Ivomec for example comes in several different forms.

 

You will see pinned in this forum information regarding the inappropriate use of Ivomec Oral for Sheep. Ivomec Oral for Sheep is a wormer product that is used orally for sheep in a ready to use form. This product cannot be diluted in water and is not designed to be used topically (on the outside of the animal) and therefore should not be considered for bird use.

 

Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle is a ready to use product that is designed to be applied directly to the hide of cattle and will treat both internal and external parasites of cattle by both translocation of the product around the body (physical movement of the ivermectin to different parts of the body) as well as being absorbed through the skin, into the blood stream to treat internal parasites such as worms.

 

You can also get specialist bird products like S76 which is designed to be mixed into the drinking water of birds. This form of ivermectin only treats internal parasites and does not come back out of the body to treat feather lice and the like.

 

So which ivermectin product do I use?

 

Well for oral treatment of worms, specially designed water based products such as S76 are appropriate and effective.

 

However if you want to be able to treat worms, lice and mites in your birds all in the one treatment, then ivermectin in the form of the Cattle Pour-On is appropriate for use in this manner. There is no need to mix it down – just apply one drop (if you overdose by mistake it's still usually very safe unless the bird has a specific allergic reaction) to the nape of the neck. You can apply it directly to the feathers, as it will translocate easily around the bird to treat lice and mites and to the skin where it is absorbed into the blood stream to treat worms.

 

You can buy 500mL, 1L, 5L and 20L of Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle or other "mectin" based Pour-Ons over the counter at your local rural merchandise store like Elders, Landmark, CRT (Your Local Bloke), NRI etc and you need nothing other than your cash to do so. Other brands that can be used are Baymec Pour-On for Cattle, Noromectin Pour-On for Cattle, Cydectin Pour-On for Cattle, Eprinex Pour-On for Cattle – shop by price.

 

2 things to be aware of however:

 

1) Even 500mL of Cattle Pour-On is a substantial quantity to have to buy if you are only going to be using one drop for one budgie.

2) Technically the only person legally allowed to use a product in a way that is not listed on the registered label is a vet (and using Cattle Pour-On for a budgie is NOT on the label) AND vets are legally obliged to have a history of the animal they are treating before they will dispense product to you so that is why they will get shirty if you ask for ivermectin without a consult of your pet and rightly so.

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Many thanks to Nubbly for this very imformative and precise presentation of Ivermectin :angry:

 

Topic Pinned.

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So it is one drop, and one drop only? as in it never needs to be put on again in X amount of days/months? Thats one thing i didnt realise, lucky there are experienced members here to help out the unsure :(

Thanks for posting this :)

Lozza

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I have only ever had to use the one spot once treatment.

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I use (currently Noromec Pour-On for cattle due to price competitiveness) 2-3 times per year over my entire flock.

 

I do a once a year full stock take of all birds - catch check ring number to records, handle bird and check for any issues, apply spot-on treatment and release. This way I do a routine worming and my birds stay clear of scale and feather lice. Have never had a scale problem in my aviary since starting this routine.

 

Although I have heard that it's possible for any animal to have an allergic reaction (anaphalactic shock - spelling?) when treated with Ivomectin I have had no adverse affects from Ivomec treatment of my birds (even multiple drops accidently squeazed out of dropper!). Although you might see the birds fluffing and scratching the site of application directly following treatment I have found this to be a normal reaction and transient.

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thank you nubbly as you have just told me that im useing wrong one also this ivomectom was perscribed by vet

its the sheep one he mixes it with some kind off oil and im ment to do one drop every three months

so it my vet wrong

should i just go buy the cattle stuff myself from grain store

my birds dont have lice mite or worms so i figgered it worked also i got a bird with scale from the pet shop which i had confinded and i ivomectomed her she is now fine after 2 months

so is my one not good if so why does it seem to work

ive used this one for the years now and only costs me very little

im i just being ripped off or what

 

as written on bottle

 

ausmectin sheep drench 125ml

give orally dose rate 2.5mls per 10 kgbwt

dobble dose for goats with hold from slaughter for 10 days

on drop behind neck for budgies

Edited by GenericBlue

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Just a question in relation to this issue. How is everyone obtaining their Ivermectin?

 

I rang a couple of vets to see if they sell it over the counter and how much it costs, etc, and they are all telling me I would need a prescription for it and they would need to see the animal. Sounds to me like a bit of a money-grabbing idea, they charge for a consultation as well as the Ivermectin!!! :P

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My vet is an avian vet and he will sell it over the counter.

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Just a question in relation to this issue. How is everyone obtaining their Ivermectin?

 

I rang a couple of vets to see if they sell it over the counter and how much it costs, etc, and they are all telling me I would need a prescription for it and they would need to see the animal. Sounds to me like a bit of a money-grabbing idea, they charge for a consultation as well as the Ivermectin!!! :mallet:

 

 

my vet knows i breed birds so he sells to me

i have to ring ahead of time

its just 10.00 a bottle that lasts they year

 

 

i still need to know though if the sheep one is totally usless then why would he sell to me :P

 

also we can get it at the shields show in preston

next month i will be doing this to make sure i have the right one from now on

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Also a lot of budgie clubs sell it at meetings from their products table. And other club members sell it to each others etc.

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thank you nubbly as you have just told me that im useing wrong one also this ivomectom was perscribed by vet

its the sheep one he mixes it with some kind off oil and im ment to do one drop every three months

so it my vet wrong

should i just go buy the cattle stuff myself from grain store

my birds dont have lice mite or worms so i figgered it worked also i got a bird with scale from the pet shop which i had confinded and i ivomectomed her she is now fine after 2 months

so is my one not good if so why does it seem to work

ive used this one for the years now and only costs me very little

im i just being ripped off or what

 

as written on bottle

 

ausmectin sheep drench 125ml

give orally dose rate 2.5mls per 10 kgbwt

dobble dose for goats with hold from slaughter for 10 days

on drop behind neck for budgies

:) this is really bugging me now please can someone tell me if my vet knows what hes on about or not

:) :hap:

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GB,

 

Sheep ivomec works fine on budgies. I use it and have no problems as do most of the breeders in our club. The ivomec sold at the trade table at Preston is sheep ivomec.

 

Cheers

 

PT

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I just hope it's used as a spot-on and not orally.

 

Read here:

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=24762

 

After speaking with a Norbrook rep whilst we were both killing some down time on our repective trade displays I asked him about what is best to use and my post reflects what he said. Sheep Ivomec is designed to be used ORALLY on sheep and therefore does not have some of the same ingredients that make it easily absorbed through skin as does the cattle pour-on products. He also commented that quite a few bird owners also use the injectable form of ivermectin but he was also of the opinion that due to it's design to be used as an injectable, that the pour-on would be the best formulation to translocate both around the birds feathering as well as penetrate into the skin.

 

The only way you'd be able to determine the difference in effectiveness would be to do a worm egg count but then if you are getting satisfactory mite control then at least you know that at least one pest is being effectively controlled then you'd just have to guess at the worms side of things I suppose!

 

GB if you are happy with what you have and it's giving you good effectivity on mites at least then all's good. The main issue I have is that purchasing from vets is expensive and unecessary (usually) as they generally want to (and legally need to as the product is not registered for budgies (but maybe ausmectin is I'm not aware of this product - will look)) give you a script for the product but it's freely available at farm merchandise stores very cheeply.

 

Also after discussing with product rep determined that pour-on is the best product by design. This does not mean that other forms will be completely inneffective.

 

Just found Ausmectin..... just another generic Ivomec (copy in other words). Not registered for budgies so vet would still have to provide it on scripted basis and Leanne by law they have to see your animal (or have a working understanding of your flock) before they will provide a script - that's the law too!

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Ivermectin Treatment for Budgies

 

 

You can buy 500mL, 1L, 5L and 20L of Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle or other "mectin" based Pour-Ons over the counter at your local rural merchandise store like Elders, Landmark, CRT (Your Local Bloke), NRI etc and you need nothing other than your cash to do so. Other brands that can be used are Baymec Pour-On for Cattle, Noromectin Pour-On for Cattle, Cydectin Pour-On for Cattle, Eprinex Pour-On for Cattle – shop by price.

 

2 things to be aware of however:

 

1) Even 500mL of Cattle Pour-On is a substantial quantity to have to buy if you are only going to be using one drop for one budgie.

2) Technically the only person legally allowed to use a product in a way that is not listed on the registered label is a vet (and using Cattle Pour-On for a budgie is NOT on the label) AND vets are legally obliged to have a history of the animal they are treating before they will dispense product to you so that is why they will get shirty if you ask for ivermectin without a consult of your pet and rightly so.

 

 

Okay so we can't get this yourself than from a Rural shop without the Vet's okay first...? Is that right... :hap:

 

 

Because I thought the product that was named up top was this...

http://www.nrrbs.com.au/animalhealthivomec.htm

 

*scratches her head in confusion*

Edited by LittleBudgie2005

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Ivermectin Treatment for Budgies

 

 

You can buy 500mL, 1L, 5L and 20L of Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle or other "mectin" based Pour-Ons over the counter at your local rural merchandise store like Elders, Landmark, CRT (Your Local Bloke), NRI etc and you need nothing other than your cash to do so. Other brands that can be used are Baymec Pour-On for Cattle, Noromectin Pour-On for Cattle, Cydectin Pour-On for Cattle, Eprinex Pour-On for Cattle – shop by price.

 

2 things to be aware of however:

 

1) Even 500mL of Cattle Pour-On is a substantial quantity to have to buy if you are only going to be using one drop for one budgie.

2) Technically the only person legally allowed to use a product in a way that is not listed on the registered label is a vet (and using Cattle Pour-On for a budgie is NOT on the label) AND vets are legally obliged to have a history of the animal they are treating before they will dispense product to you so that is why they will get shirty if you ask for ivermectin without a consult of your pet and rightly so.

 

 

Okay so we can't get this yourself than from a Rural shop without the Vet's okay first...? Is that right... :hap:

 

 

Because I thought the product that was named up top was this...

http://www.nrrbs.com.au/animalhealthivomec.htm

 

*scratches her head in confusion*

 

 

Sorry to confuse LB. There is a specific reason that I'm being a little evasive and that is because TECHNICALLY (as I mentioned in the first post in this thread) the ONLY person LEGALLY allowed to USE a product in a manner than otherwise stated on the label is a qualified vet. THEY LEGALLY can only supply the product to you if they have first seen your animal OR have a working knowledge of your flock (that's why some will request a poo sample before sending vet script only drugs to you) before they can sell the product to you on script. You can then use the product on your animals in the manner outlined by your vet.

 

BUT you CAN LEGALLY walk into your farm merch shop and purchase Ivomec Pour-ON, Baymec Pour-ON, Cydectin Injectable for cattle and sheep without the need for a vet script as the product is registered to be "free sale" which means no script needed. So all you need is your money. They will not ask you WHY you are buying it or want to see your animals as they have no legal requirement to do so.

 

The slightly tricky part is that formally advising you to do this and then use the product on your birds is TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL as is you using it on your birds. As is purchasing a big pack and decanting the product into smaller bottles for resale as many many clubs do due to the cost savings involved. Luckily it's not actually POLICE illegal just operating against the laws and regulations laid down by Australia's Agchem regulation authority and chasing a few budgie clubs it probably not on their radar (or more likely they are unaware of the practice - hoping this does nothing to change that).

 

Hope that clears things up somewhat.

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Thanks nubbly... I understand now... :hap: I was so confused before it wasn't funny...

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GB,

 

Sheep ivomec works fine on budgies. I use it and have no problems as do most of the breeders in our club. The ivomec sold at the trade table at Preston is sheep ivomec.

 

Cheers

 

PT

 

 

okay thats cool

thanks pt

and also in knowing this nubbly

i can answer you your

hope in that is back of neck only used only as

no

i know breeders who buy the one pts talking about at the preston and use it orally

as it was suggested i do this as its easy than spotting it on them (fighting with one hand to drop it on back of neck while moving feathers and not being bittin and not putting to much on is not easy ) :hap: and i was told that one drop straight in mouth is safe and efective so

 

may i ask why you say not to do the sheep one orally

as the breeder that told me too they said its how most them do it ???? and no ill affect's to the bird

is their something i should know before doing this

 

and it does work for worms might lice ect as my birds have tested clear for all everything including worms no nothing :) finally i can rest :) at ease knowing their in perfict health

and would hate to change that by ivomectiming them orally like suggested

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hi all.

 

well from what im hearing it is one drop on the back of the neck with this ivermectin product.

 

well... today i went to the petshop, and in my eyes a really good quality pet shop

that can be trusted, and is extremely caring of all their animals.

 

and i went up to one of the staff and asked her if they stocked any product to cure scaly face.

and she seem to know what she was talking about and lead me straight to a product by "Aristo pet"

 

called "Scaly face and leg treatment- for caged birds".

 

so the product is specifically used for scaly face, ...but it contradicts what you are all saying.

 

the bottle directly states... "DIRECTIONS FOR USE: Apply to affected area once a day for 3 to 4 days. Apply

with cotton bud or small brush. Prevent bird from ingesting material by holding head firmly during application.

Repeat this treatment 1 to 2 weeks later to avoid re-infestation".

 

so what do you all have to say to that?

and from what i know "aristopet" is a fairly respectable and trusted brand.

It is a 25ml bottle, and its active constitutents include:Benzyl Benzoate and liquid parafin.

 

please please tell me whether i am doing the right thing treating my bird with this product??

thanks grant.

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Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in for discussion, as this is the information I have been going on - believing it to be from a pretty darn good source (which for copyright reasons I will cite/reference first)

 

Brett Gartrell, BVSc MACVSc(Avian Health) PhD

Lecturer in Avian and Wildlife Health

IVABS, Massey University

Palmerston North, NZ

copyright ©

 

Says the following:

 

2. Ivermectin (Ivomec Sheep Drench)

Do not use the cattle formulation as it is fat-soluble and must be diluted with propylene glycol before use. The sheep preparation is water-soluble but must be protected from light. It is effective against some roundworms, lice and mites (including air sac mite and scaly face mite).

It can cause nerve damage at doses just above the effective dose so use carefully. It must be changed daily to remain effective. There has been high levels of resistance to ivermectin develop in bird roundworms.

 

Another interesting note from the same document states:

 

Change the type of worming drench you use to ensure that worms don’t build up resistance to the drugs you are using.

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hi all.well from what im hearing it is one drop on the back of the neck with this ivermectin product.well... today i went to the petshop, and in my eyes a really good quality pet shopthat can be trusted, and is extremely caring of all their animals.and i went up to one of the staff and asked her if they stocked any product to cure scaly face.and she seem to know what she was talking about and lead me straight to a product by "Aristo pet"called "Scaly face and leg treatment- for caged birds".so the product is specifically used for scaly face, ...but it contradicts what you are all saying.the bottle directly states... "DIRECTIONS FOR USE: Apply to affected area once a day for 3 to 4 days. Applywith cotton bud or small brush. Prevent bird from ingesting material by holding head firmly during application.Repeat this treatment 1 to 2 weeks later to avoid re-infestation".so what do you all have to say to that?and from what i know "aristopet" is a fairly respectable and trusted brand.It is a 25ml bottle, and its active constitutents include:Benzyl Benzoate and liquid parafin.please please tell me whether i am doing the right thing treating my bird with this product??thanks grant.
i think if you had read what i have said over and over again about parifin oil and use of scaley mite you would know that it is one way to treat a bird or small numbers of birds i bet you payed like 12 bucks if so you could have got cheaper and yes it should be used just as you said ivomection treats all pasties so...kills things inside out totally diffrent thing and yes its fine to treat your birds with
Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in for discussion, as this is the information I have been going on - believing it to be from a pretty darn good source (which for copyright reasons I will cite/reference first)Brett Gartrell, BVSc MACVSc(Avian Health) PhD Lecturer in Avian and Wildlife Health IVABS, Massey University Palmerston North, NZ copyright © Says the following:
2. Ivermectin (Ivomec Sheep Drench) Do not use the cattle formulation as it is fat-soluble and must be diluted with propylene glycol before use. The sheep preparation is water-soluble but must be protected from light. It is effective against some roundworms, lice and mites (including air sac mite and scaly face mite). It can cause nerve damage at doses just above the effective dose so use carefully. It must be changed daily to remain effective. There has been high levels of resistance to ivermectin develop in bird roundworms.
Another interesting note from the same document states:
Change the type of worming drench you use to ensure that worms don’t build up resistance to the drugs you are using.
so now im confuzzed please can you just tell me should i or shouldnt i if almost all the breeders i know use it with no probbs whats the deal or you say sheep one okay cattle one not ???my vet did say be very careful dont give orally and to keep in fridge it will stay for one year then need renuing he also gave me ivomection water solubale drentch a 5 day in water tratment to do one every 6 months as well

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hi all.well from what im hearing it is one drop on the back of the neck with this ivermectin product.well... today i went to the petshop, and in my eyes a really good quality pet shopthat can be trusted, and is extremely caring of all their animals.and i went up to one of the staff and asked her if they stocked any product to cure scaly face.and she seem to know what she was talking about and lead me straight to a product by "Aristo pet"called "Scaly face and leg treatment- for caged birds".so the product is specifically used for scaly face, ...but it contradicts what you are all saying.the bottle directly states... "DIRECTIONS FOR USE: Apply to affected area once a day for 3 to 4 days. Applywith cotton bud or small brush. Prevent bird from ingesting material by holding head firmly during application.Repeat this treatment 1 to 2 weeks later to avoid re-infestation".so what do you all have to say to that?and from what i know "aristopet" is a fairly respectable and trusted brand.It is a 25ml bottle, and its active constitutents include:Benzyl Benzoate and liquid parafin.please please tell me whether i am doing the right thing treating my bird with this product??thanks grant.
i think if you had read what i have said over and over again about parifin oil and use of scaley mite you would know that it is one way to treat a bird or small numbers of birds i bet you payed like 12 bucks if so you could have got cheaper and yes it should be used just as you said ivomection treats all pasties so...kills things inside out totally diffrent thing and yes its fine to treat your birds with
Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in for discussion, as this is the information I have been going on - believing it to be from a pretty darn good source (which for copyright reasons I will cite/reference first)Brett Gartrell, BVSc MACVSc(Avian Health) PhD Lecturer in Avian and Wildlife Health IVABS, Massey University Palmerston North, NZ copyright © Says the following:
2. Ivermectin (Ivomec Sheep Drench) Do not use the cattle formulation as it is fat-soluble and must be diluted with propylene glycol before use. The sheep preparation is water-soluble but must be protected from light. It is effective against some roundworms, lice and mites (including air sac mite and scaly face mite). It can cause nerve damage at doses just above the effective dose so use carefully. It must be changed daily to remain effective. There has been high levels of resistance to ivermectin develop in bird roundworms.
Another interesting note from the same document states:
Change the type of worming drench you use to ensure that worms don't build up resistance to the drugs you are using.
so now im confuzzed please can you just tell me should i or shouldnt i if almost all the breeders i know use it with no probbs whats the deal or you say sheep one okay cattle one not ???my vet did say be very careful dont give orally and to keep in fridge it will stay for one year then need renuing he also gave me ivomection water solubale drentch a 5 day in water tratment to do one every 6 months as well

 

Im about as uncertain as you GB :hap: Looks like there are veterinarians and breeders alike who swear we should use on or the other, but not much agreement! I just added that info for discussion, because I feel it is trust worthy because of who wrote it so I guess thats what I will go on unless or until I find research or solid information that changes my mind?

 

On another note, I took this info to my local vet (not avian specialist) and they only sell cattle pour on for use with birds, and go as far as to put a disclaimer on the bottle saying "not recommended for use on birds" or something like that and they say use it at your own risk. When they read the stuff I showed them they were like "yeah well, this is what we use and what we sell and we arent going to get a big bottle of sheep just for you".

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hi all.well from what im hearing it is one drop on the back of the neck with this ivermectin product.well... today i went to the petshop, and in my eyes a really good quality pet shopthat can be trusted, and is extremely caring of all their animals.and i went up to one of the staff and asked her if they stocked any product to cure scaly face.and she seem to know what she was talking about and lead me straight to a product by "Aristo pet"called "Scaly face and leg treatment- for caged birds".so the product is specifically used for scaly face, ...but it contradicts what you are all saying.the bottle directly states... "DIRECTIONS FOR USE: Apply to affected area once a day for 3 to 4 days. Applywith cotton bud or small brush. Prevent bird from ingesting material by holding head firmly during application.Repeat this treatment 1 to 2 weeks later to avoid re-infestation".so what do you all have to say to that?and from what i know "aristopet" is a fairly respectable and trusted brand.It is a 25ml bottle, and its active constitutents include:Benzyl Benzoate and liquid parafin.please please tell me whether i am doing the right thing treating my bird with this product??thanks grant.
i think if you had read what i have said over and over again about parifin oil and use of scaley mite you would know that it is one way to treat a bird or small numbers of birds i bet you payed like 12 bucks if so you could have got cheaper and yes it should be used just as you said ivomection treats all pasties so...kills things inside out totally diffrent thing and yes its fine to treat your birds with
Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in for discussion, as this is the information I have been going on - believing it to be from a pretty darn good source (which for copyright reasons I will cite/reference first)Brett Gartrell, BVSc MACVSc(Avian Health) PhD Lecturer in Avian and Wildlife Health IVABS, Massey University Palmerston North, NZ copyright © Says the following:
2. Ivermectin (Ivomec Sheep Drench) Do not use the cattle formulation as it is fat-soluble and must be diluted with propylene glycol before use. The sheep preparation is water-soluble but must be protected from light. It is effective against some roundworms, lice and mites (including air sac mite and scaly face mite). It can cause nerve damage at doses just above the effective dose so use carefully. It must be changed daily to remain effective. There has been high levels of resistance to ivermectin develop in bird roundworms.
Another interesting note from the same document states:
Change the type of worming drench you use to ensure that worms don't build up resistance to the drugs you are using.
so now im confuzzed please can you just tell me should i or shouldnt i if almost all the breeders i know use it with no probbs whats the deal or you say sheep one okay cattle one not ???my vet did say be very careful dont give orally and to keep in fridge it will stay for one year then need renuing he also gave me ivomection water solubale drentch a 5 day in water tratment to do one every 6 months as well

 

Im about as uncertain as you GB :) Looks like there are veterinarians and breeders alike who swear we should use on or the other, but not much agreement! I just added that info for discussion, because I feel it is trust worthy because of who wrote it so I guess thats what I will go on unless or until I find research or solid information that changes my mind?

 

On another note, I took this info to my local vet (not avian specialist) and they only sell cattle pour on for use with birds, and go as far as to put a disclaimer on the bottle saying "not recommended for use on birds" or something like that and they say use it at your own risk. When they read the stuff I showed them they were like "yeah well, this is what we use and what we sell and we arent going to get a big bottle of sheep just for you".

okay cool well looks like sheep wins it for me

its what i been using for 3 years now (first year i didnt do ivomectiom drop on i did in water )

and if almost all the breeders i know use it and it does work as my lattest bird path tests proves that

then i thinks good enough for me

i do know the cattle one works i know a farmer that does his flock with it on drop on all birds hes never had one die yet and im telling you hes not bothered if he drops on to much :)

so i guess personal prefrance once again

but still interested to know why sheep one should not be giving orally yet so many do it :hap:

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I think orally is fine for the sheep prep. The article I cited above goes on to list dilutions for oral treatment, but they are very very hard for the average joe shmoe to work out. It involves weighing the bird, diluting the solution exactly, drawing up an exact amount and then administering it via crop needle to ensure it all goes in.

 

Most people would rather just whack a drop on the back of the neck and be done with it, especially if you have hundreds of birds!!

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Ivomec sheep drench is not water soluble it's solvent based - that's one of the issues with it if you use it as a bird oral treatment. As one of our previous threads shows: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=24762

 

Cattle pour-on is also solvent based but is used undiluted.

 

Bird specific ivermectins are water based for flock treatment in water.

 

All ivermectins must be protected from sunlight.

 

Also there are subtle differences between products registered in different countries so while our Ivomec sheep drench in Aus is solvent based and undilutable in water (as is the US formula) NZ may well be different. Just been to Argentina where there are different forms of Ivermectin again to what we have here in Aus.

 

Sorry to be pedantic Dean but this IS my field - I deal with animal health products every day of my working life and although I don't specifically sell Ivomec I am well aware of the product (many of the available generics) and the different ranges available as they compete with products that we market.

 

And yes worms and any pests can build resitance to chemicals and drugs - cocci, worms, lice, mites you name it.......

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